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Old May 14, 2004, 04:14 PM
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Default Heath Streak thinks Murali should be stripped of his wickets!

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Sacked Zimbabwe rebel Heath Streak thinks the ICC should dock Murali the wickets he took with the doosra.

"I think they should have looked back at all the footage and taken off all the wickets he got with the doosra to be consistent with their decision," Streak said.
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BBC article

One would have thought that Streak would have had his hands full with the Zimb. crisis at the moment.
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Old May 14, 2004, 04:58 PM
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I agree. Murali was born with a bend elbow, so he does not throw the ball intentionally, but it is still illegal.

Forget the Dusra, all his wickets should be stripped away. Most players in this game have something God gifted, so if God didnt give him the elbow to bowl legally, this game was not for him.
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Old May 14, 2004, 06:36 PM
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I am no expert on this topic and the topic has probably been covered many times over, but my impression was that prior to the doosra delivery, tests showed that his action was legal.

I believe that the "bent-elbow" condition is known more officially as hyperextension. The article cited above notes that Shoaib Akhtar and Brett Lee also have the condition. In that case, what would be unusual is the degree of passion and condemnation that Murali has attracted, in contrast to the others.
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Old May 14, 2004, 06:53 PM
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Right deshibhai. Due to the condition, Murali's elbow "appears" bent. I remember this being the conclusion of the testing previously. It's not that he bends his elbow & the ICC allowed it. On the same token, the doosra was made illegal since that bending is accentuated with this delivery by more than 10 now. This time around, even the experts are divided on the ruling & the allowance. I disagree with Raj that Murali's condition should prevent him from bowling.

I'm somewhat familiar with this "Hyperflexibility" condition and related disorders such as "Ehler-Danlos" syndrom. Unless you know the mechanics of it, you will easily be fooled. I think this is why Murali looks like a chucker at times to the naked eye. Every time you take him to the experts, they say he's not.
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Old May 15, 2004, 12:16 AM
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I believe the last result found Murali being able to bend his elbow more than normal due to this by birth defect.
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Old May 25, 2004, 03:13 AM
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I like this 'optical illusion' funda!

We can all see it - but no, we are all wrong!

Fault is in our vision, not his action - impeccable logic, that is!
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Old May 25, 2004, 03:46 AM
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The most important thing isn't if he bowls with a bent arm... the important ting is does he straghten his arm as he bowls. Since he CAN'T straighten his arm... he can't possibly be chucking.
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[Edited on 6-9-2004 by Nascer]
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Old May 25, 2004, 12:14 PM
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It is funny how everyone is on Murali's back now. Unique cricketers like Murali adds spice to the world of cricket. I would rather like to watch a game of cricket where a 'chucker' like Murali is involved than those boring australians.
If I want to see any surgical precision, I would rather watch a surgeon doing it on a patient etherized on a table.
To me cricket is an exciting game. And it needs to be exciting and unpredictable. Not some mathematics.
then maybe we should throw in some more chuckers just for excitement
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Old May 25, 2004, 12:32 PM
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It is funny how everyone is on Murali's back now. Unique cricketers like Murali adds spice to the world of cricket. I would rather like to watch a game of cricket where a 'chucker' like Murali is involved than those boring australians.
If I want to see any surgical precision, I would rather watch a surgeon doing it on a patient etherized on a table.
To me cricket is an exciting game. And it needs to be exciting and unpredictable. Not some mathematics.
Why not bat with an aluminium bat then? That'll make it exciting? Or a ball that has the characteristics of a squash ball - that'll make it unpredictable.

The appearance of chucking vs actual chucking are different things. Murali's non-doosra balls, while gives the visual appearance of chucking due to his congenital handicap, tests have shown he is within the current letter of the law regarding what constitutes chucking. But the doosra as he bowls it today, ignore his handicap, clearly breaks the rule.
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Old May 27, 2004, 11:46 AM
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I think Streak should be stripped of his wickets for being a rebel-against-everything !!

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Old May 27, 2004, 01:15 PM
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I gat one thing to say to Streak and Aussi P.M Howard the chalbass. Both of these dummies can go straight to h**
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