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Old July 17, 2008, 03:17 PM
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To emphasis how important captaincy is for a spinner, here is Rafique's test stats under Sujon and here is his stats under Bashar. Notice how much Rafique's average and strike rate varied under two captains.
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Old July 17, 2008, 07:59 PM
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i dont think marshall is ever considered as future spinner for BD team. he is a good batsman, thats it. he doesnt even bowl for local team. I think u are mixing up him with shuvo/mehrab jr
not mixing him up, and maybe he hasn't been considered as a future spinner for BD but there are plenty of players around the world who weren't considered to be future international players and who made it to that level. also looking at his list A and FC bowling record he does bowl a reasonable amount, not every match/innings but that's not surprising because as i said he's an allrounder not a specialist spinner. i'd say at this point marshall is a batting allrounder but he's got a reasonable record with the ball so maybe if he bowled a bit more and worked on his bowling a bit he might actually be a decent spinner prospect, and considering there is a lack of leg spinners in BD i'd still say he's one of the main leggy prospects atm.

also, just remembered taposh ghosh, not sure how much of a prospect he is but i've heard him be talked about so maybe he's one to watch in regards to leg spinners.
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Old July 17, 2008, 08:02 PM
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To emphasis how important captaincy is for a spinner, here is Rafique's test stats under Sujon and here is his stats under Bashar. Notice how much Rafique's average and strike rate varied under two captains.
they did vary alot but it should be noted that he played a lot more matches under bashar than sujon, not really an equal comparison imo.
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Old July 17, 2008, 10:34 PM
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A spinner's success in test cricket depends a lot on how his captain sets up the field for him. Unfortunately, in Bangladesh we don't have aggressive captains (in international or in domestic teams), so most of our spinners are just used to bowl defensively.

Our genuine test prospect is Enamul, but I am afraid our Sylhet captain Rajin and former Bangladesh captain Bashar have damaged his career badly with their defensive mindsets. Also, Enamul is kind of character who needs lots of assurance from his fellow cricketers and the coach. Unfortunately, in current Bangladesh team setup, there is none to provide him assurance.

Our other prospect is Mosharraf who has performed shoulder to shoulder with Enamul last year in Academy and A-team matches. He had shown a rich run of form in last domestic season. Mosharraf is an older and more mature player, so he will probably do better to survive morale breaking defeats that Bangladesh test team usually suffers.
Agreed. Spinners need support and encouragement from his skip and fielders. The loss of Enamul is a tragedy. I really had good hopes for him. I would never forget the deliveries against Damien Martyn and Michael Clarke. Also, because he is a turner of the ball who also flights , its important that the Captain gives him close fielders to sorround the batsman. Yeah, bowlers like him would get hit for a few fours, but, thats when the captain needs to step in and give him the necessary support for extended periods, even when he is taking a bit of stick. You mentioned Rajin. Hardly a figure that exudes confident positivity. And Habla..he had no clue.
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Old July 17, 2008, 11:21 PM
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they did vary alot but it should be noted that he played a lot more matches under bashar than sujon, not really an equal comparison imo.
I know the sample under Sujon is small, but I still think it gives a good indication what Rafique could have been if the captain used him properly. Rafique came in the test team with a defensive mindset that he adapted from playing one-day cricket and our so called FC league, it was Sujon who forced him to take risks. Unfortunately, under Bashar's captaincy, Rafique fell back to his defensive mindset.
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Matin Needs to practice his legspin again, He got massive turn (I retrospect to BD crickets) in NZ and is the biggest turner in the country, He used a Flipper to get his 1st Wicket and the 2nd wicket turned all the way to 1st Slip, He bowls to many loose balls tho, if he cleans that up you have a real quality test leggie
Matin got everything as a genuine leggie except a thinking brain.....
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Ash can turn that's true. But its real tuff to control with the grip, that's my personal experience n fiend who used to spin agree with this. That make me thinking how great Shane was!
That's why short camps conducted by some one like Warne or Abdul Kader would be great.
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Old July 19, 2008, 02:24 AM
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That's why short camps conducted by some one like Warne or Abdul Kader would be great.
Really great... kintu BCB er ghum bhanbe ki?
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Does our U15 side go to other countries to train and pick up tips, like Pakistan?

If they did, then perhaps we have a long term option.
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Old July 19, 2008, 06:13 AM
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How Pak do that?
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