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Old June 10, 2009, 12:30 PM
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Siddons is a good coach and he speaks straight. No political talk to cover-up. If anything, we need to give him more power to run the team and players. Bangali players need kora administration, they are not capable of self-discipline and self-motivation to improve by hard work. Ashraful is a good player, probably a tendulkar like player though, in that he will be a better batsman if he leaves the captaincy to someone else.
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Old June 10, 2009, 12:36 PM
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[quote=BANFAN;881913] I believe Because, they have shown improvement during the previous coaches' period. We have come a long way from what we were in 90s and what we became in 2007.
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dude man, you seem to have a once upon a time pre determined set of opinions.

wasn't whatmore the previous coach...all he targetted was the low hanging fruits. Ofcourse he did better.

And we are doing better than the 90s - sure thing. But that's due to exposure and momentum.

I think we as a team are unable to take destiny into our own hands, and cross that threshold. The level of irresponsibility in the game shows that exactly.

I think they need corporal punishment.
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Old June 10, 2009, 12:49 PM
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2 I agree with you.
3 You gotta be Kidding me
Yes, I was but only partially. I can imagine that these boys going about playing like they are playing (with no application of the mental resources) and never be aware of the adverse consequences let alone the frustrations of the millions whose hopes are pinned on them.

It seems that our guys does not appreciate the opportunities/priviledge of playing international cricket. They are not aware of responsibily they have volunteerily undertaken when they had agreed to represent the country. One may argue they are just kids. But at any olympics you will find teenagers that are producing stunning results. Teagers in other teenagers are producing fro other countries in cricket also. These did not happen just by dint of talent only. It required a total commitment to the sports of their choice. That means hard training, learning from past mistakes, ability to absorb instuctions and application of sound judgement at game time.
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Old June 10, 2009, 01:51 PM
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wasn't whatmore the previous coach...all he targetted was the low hanging fruits. Ofcourse he did better.
As if we are not targetting those now !! Of course IRE was on the top most branch, considering where we are now !! I'm sure you don't have a preconceived mind, you are so logical my friend.

Grapes are sour; surely for JS and his beloved fans
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Old June 10, 2009, 04:37 PM
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If you think so (which I dont agree completely), then he should be the batting coach. Siddons by no means a head coach material. If he came up with the game plan against the Irish, then I say he is better off changing his career and become something where no imagination is needed. And if the whole game plan was done/executed by Ash then we should have appointed Ash as the head coach and send Siddons to Australia for a permanent vacation.

BTW, he is already in Australia for his zillionth vacation in last year and a half.
why the batting coach? not all the players i listed improved just with their batting, shakib, mash and naeem all improved their bowling under siddons. i'm not sayaing he is or isn't a good head coach, just saying these players improved i was mainly responding to the comment that said if the whole class fails it's the teachers fault imo the whole class hasn't failed.
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Old June 10, 2009, 04:41 PM
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why the batting coach? not all the players i listed improved just with their batting, shakib, mash and naeem all improved their bowling under siddons. i'm not sayaing he is or isn't a good head coach, just saying these players improved i was mainly responding to the comment that said if the whole class fails it's the teachers fault imo the whole class hasn't failed.
Bowling improvements under Siddons or Ramnayake?
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Old June 10, 2009, 04:49 PM
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Siddons failed to fulfil his ultimate promise which was to make Bangladesh consistent. Siddons is no good, instead of working with the players now he goes off to vacation in australia. We really need Richard Mcinnes
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Old June 10, 2009, 04:50 PM
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Siddons failed to fulfil his ultimate promise which was to make Bangladesh consistent. Siddons is no good, instead of working with the players now he goes off to vacation in australia. We really need Richard Mcinnes
I think we can forgive him for this vacation. His wife is about to give birth to their first baby.
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Old June 10, 2009, 04:56 PM
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Bowling improvements under Siddons or Ramnayake?
under siddons, no doubt ramnayake played a big role in improvements in the pacers (not sure whether he had anything to do with the spinners), but as head coach siddons gets some credit for any player improvements as well as the opposite. ashraful imo has become alot worse over the last few months and i put siddons as responsible for that, i think ash isn't the easiest to coach but he hasn't even maintained, he's gotten worse imo. nazmul is another who seems to have improved under siddons.

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Old June 10, 2009, 04:57 PM
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also what if BD win a match against WI? that would mean recent wins against NZ, SL and WI which would mean the team is getting somewhat consistent.
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Old June 10, 2009, 06:13 PM
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I think for a team like BD it's good to have a rough & tough coach like Sidd.
BTW under Sidd Mushy's batting in test has improved,Sakib's batting in all formats imrvd,Ryad maybe
too.But Tamim's bttnng nowadays has gone worse,longtime he didn't get a odi or test 50.
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Old June 10, 2009, 10:16 PM
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Now you finally come to admit that those are Gadha, a progress of this argument.

Recognizing own [players] weakness, fault before pointing others is the 1st and fundamental step towards progress. Without recognizing the fault and feel honest urgency to fix it from inner side [players], no coach or coaching way on earth will be able do any good. Thats why Dav has failed and now Siddon struggling and our dream coach MaccInes may would find it same.

No way I am in love with Siddons, I just dont hate him like few of us here does, for wrong reason, wrong time.

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Your'e sure he could manage a Ghora? Well in that case appointing him to manage Gadha would be an inappropriate appointment, even if he was Einstein. if you want to raise JS to that level, be in love, no worries, but the fact remains, he isn't suitable for this appointment then. We need someone who can manage Gadha, if our players are that.
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Old June 10, 2009, 11:16 PM
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Now you finally come to admit that those are Gadha, a progress of this argument.

Recognizing own [players] weakness, fault before pointing others is the 1st and fundamental step towards progress. Without recognizing the fault and feel honest urgency to fix it from inner side [players], no coach or coaching way on earth will be able do any good. Thats why Dav has failed and now Siddon struggling and our dream coach MaccInes may would find it same.

No way I am in love with Siddons, I just dont hate him like few of us here does, for wrong reason, wrong time.
That was even at the begining of my arguments. I never claimed that our players are saints or genius. Everyone knows, that our players lack even basic skills. That's why we pay a foreigner to build their skills. Unfortunately JS is failing big time. His funny and dumb policies are largely responsible for our downfall. Haven't seen any good policy from his side neither seen any skills improvement of the players. He may be a genius but coaching BD team isn't his piece of cake.
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Old June 11, 2009, 12:40 AM
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Dhaka, June 10 (bdnews24.com)—The government has said it will form a committee to explore the reasons behind the disastrous performance of the national cricket team in the ICC World Twenty20 in England.

"We will look into the matter of Bangladesh's losses in the Twenty20 World Cup," Chittagong Hill Tracts affairs minister Dipankar Talukdar told parliament on Wednesday, on behalf of the state minister for youth and sports, who was absent.

"Bangladesh are also due to play in the upcoming 2011 World Cup, and the government will take the measures to keep the nation's honour up," Talukdar said in reply to a query from Awami League MP Mostaq Ahmed Ruhi.

Bangladesh were miserably knocked out of the series after a six-wicket defeat to ICC associate member Ireland and a 25-run loss to defending champions India.

A dejected team returned home Wednesday morning after their disappointing campaign.

Ireland broke the Tigers' hearts, handing them a comprehensive wicket defeat to dash their hopes of playing the Super Eights, a place Bangladesh qualified for in the inaugural World Twenty20 in South Africa.

Bangladesh, who also went down against India in the first match of the series, were the first team to land in the host country and the first to catch the return flight home.

They arrived at Zia International Airport minus Australian coach Jamie Siddons, captain Mohammad Ashraful and all-rounder Shakib Al Hasan.

Siddons returned to Australia to accompany girlfriend Kim, who is expected to give birth of their first child next week while Ashraful and Shakib stayed back in England for treatment.

Shakib had a pre-appointment with a doctor but Ashraful surprisingly informed the team management that he needed to visit an eye specialist.

Vice captain Mashrafee Bin Mortaza was left to face the heat from the national media on their return.

Asked the reasons behind the defeat against Ireland, Mashrafee's reply was simple. "We went down against Ireland as we could not play better."

"The batsmen did not click properly, which resulted in a top order slump and the team never recovered from that early pressure," said Mashrafee.

When asked about Siddons' comment, that "our boys tend to do things their way a lot, they don't listen that well and it is time some pressure is put on them to listen, from the captain down", Mashrafee said that he had no idea about that.

But he remembered to give the well-worn statement after a disappointing performance—he promised that they would "learn from the mistakes and do better next time."


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Old June 11, 2009, 08:06 PM
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I think Siddons is a fine cricket coach!
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Old June 12, 2009, 03:37 AM
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It is the responsibility of our players to play well, the job of the coach is to teach, not to play for them.

After Siddons became our coach, I have seen better batting and less nicks going to slips, and has become more challenging overall. We even managed to get a big score against Sri Lanka in tests. A lot more self belief has emerged since he took over.

Bad days can happen. The team has gone in the right path, but has a long way to go in this path.

I do not think Siddons should be blamed at all for the disappointing results of our players.

He said in the post match presentation that the players were taught how to deal with the ways they were getting out, but keep making the same errors on the field. (example Sakib getting out same way 5 times)

Our team needs a good sports psychologist to work with the players so that they do not mentally block themselves from performing to their fullest potential.

i completely agree, our coaching team is allright. let this team continue until 2011 WC
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Old June 13, 2009, 12:12 PM
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Siddons rocks and that is why he will continue to coach the BD team for 2 more years. Everybody knows who the irresponsible culprits are...well, almost everybody, barring a few of our fans here who spew nothing but there own rhetoric of hatred.

Lets all now surf together...the water is tepid.
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Old June 13, 2009, 01:43 PM
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I think Siddons is a fine cricket coach!
BK, he is the finest I guess. That's why we don't see his fine (Shukho) improvements
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