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Old July 28, 2009, 01:30 AM
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I don't see him making it back to the test side without stupendous performances in back to back NCLs and if BCB decides to do the right thing, at least two A Team tours.

In the ODI scenario, he's still hanging by the teeth. He must be more consistent now, under tremendous pressure, than ever before. Only a STRING of solid 50s+ in the next 2 matches in this tour, and the 5 in Zimbabwe can buy him some time. What he'll do with that time, if there, is the real cause for concern. Will he FINALLY turn the corner or would the safety net offer business as usual? Frankly, I don't give a rat's @$$ anymore, emotionally drained and all.

Mo's upcoming ODI numbers will determine his place in the T20I squad because our matobbor selectors, having never played T20Is, are clueless as to the substantial difference between the two shorter formats.

That said, I'm sure all of us wish to see him do well if he's in the lineup.
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Old July 28, 2009, 02:07 AM
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I don't see him making it back to the test side without stupendous performances in back to back NCLs and if BCB decides to do the right thing, at least two A Team tours.

In the ODI scenario, he's still hanging by the teeth. He must be more consistent now, under tremendous pressure, than ever before. Only a STRING of solid 50s+ in the next 2 matches in this tour, and the 5 in Zimbabwe can buy him some time. What he'll do with that time, if there, is the real cause for concern. Will he FINALLY turn the corner or would the safety net offer business as usual? Frankly, I don't give a rat's @$$ anymore, emotionally drained and all.

Mo's upcoming ODI numbers will determine his place in the T20I squad, because our matobbor selectors, having never played T20Is, are clueless as to the substantial difference between the two shorter formats.

That said, I'm sure all of us wish to see him do well if he's in the lineup.
yes, ditto...his last knock was nothing spectacular, but it was a very decent and welcome effort. and given ash, i think thats more valuable than his cardiff or guyana Eid performances, in a sense.

that being said, its kind of unreasonable to expect ash to go from dabba to sachin in this 8 game stretch. so far, so good. i will be satisfied if ash averages 30+ in these 8 games against minnows, right now strike rate is not really an issue for me, and i think his SR will be 70 no matter how many runs he scores. but i would like to see 3 fifty plus scores from the 8 games, ideally 4, with an overall 30+ average. thats a start. higher expectations are not only unrealistic and bound to lead to disappointment, but probably unfair on ash himself. slow progress is better than expecting the zero-to-hero acts.

and btw, scoring runs in ZIM will be a huge achievement for ash. don't think that because there is no mcgrath, pollock, bond, or murali in the attack that the job will be easy. any bowler can be easy on a thinking ash. but ash's average against ZIM is the lowest of any Test side, barring exceptions like PAK and WI.
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Old July 28, 2009, 02:35 AM
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Asaad my brother,

I though Mo's innings, except for 3-4 fatalistic swings, was very good. He came in as a virtual opener and played a critical part in getting us out of trouble. He seemed determined to stay put and eventually increase his SR from the 35th over or so. The boy never looked troubled at all, except with those self induced, and should have cruise to an easy 100, maybe beyond. Then came the cramp, not taking a runner, and a pitifully slow start from the non striker's end got him run out.

If he manages to avoid his moronic compulsions, HUGE IF, 7 ODI 50s from the next 7 ODIs against ordinary bowling, Roach, Sammy, and possibly Bernard being the exceptions, should be really easy for him. Hence the expectation ...

This is as good a time as any for him to enter a streak. That said, the issue has always been his performance during more secure, stable times. Not when he's under the axe. What he'd do then remains to be seen.
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Old July 28, 2009, 02:45 AM
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i saw a determination in him in the 1st ODI vs WI... so there is a change..
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Old July 28, 2009, 02:47 AM
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this attitude will improve his cricket....
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Old July 28, 2009, 02:50 AM
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The bowler could be glenn mcgrath or it could be pushpakamara from sri lanka, doesnt matter who the bowler is he gets himself out 90% of the time so you can't expect him to average 50 in domestic cricket

He's Averaged 70 in a different couple of seasons in Domestic Cricket

I think today was Matins 20th 50+ score in 135 ODI, 1 in 6ish lets see if he can get it down to 1 in 5Ish by his 200th cap 15 50+ scores in then
next 60 matches isnt too much is it
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#124 Yesterday, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Shubho
No more heartbreak.
No more hit-or-miss.
No more brainless cricket.
No more inconsistency.
No more Eid innings.
No more excuses.
NO MORE ASHRAFOOL.
NEVER AGAIN!!!

Obituary:
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In memoriam
Cricket birth: September 8, 2001 against Sri Lanka
Cricket death: July 20, 2009 against the West Indies
May his cricketing soul rest in peace once he returns to his garbage pick-up duties in Khilgaon, Dhaka

Harsh words IMO, I dont think that he had ever done or will do garbage pickup duties, he has made enough money, please do not wish someone else that which you do not wish for yourself. Islam teaches you to be benevolent to fellow human beings.

remember every ODI we won his contribution was vital.. as athar ali khan when ever Ash scores runs BD wins
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Old July 28, 2009, 04:07 AM
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Fuzzy, your last post is REAL fuzzy.
Its pretty hard to find what you are trying to say. You can edit your post and that might help to understand.
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Old July 28, 2009, 04:40 AM
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btw ashraful has 19 50+ scores in 133 innings (he's played 140 matches though), that's a 50+ score every 7 innings.
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Old July 28, 2009, 05:21 AM
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Tendulkar has 1 in 3

I think the average for a batsmen is around 4-5

Shakib 1 every 4.6
taylor 1 every 4.4
sarwan 1 in 4
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Old July 28, 2009, 05:35 AM
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Tendulkar has 1 in 3

I think the average for a batsmen is around 4-5

Shakib 1 every 4.6
taylor 1 every 4.4
sarwan 1 in 4
raqibul is also 1 every 4.6
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Old July 28, 2009, 05:42 AM
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Orrite, I have no clue what some of you guys are going on about here. The way I look at it, everything is still the same. One good innings.

I still stand my ground. I had previously said that if he plays at least one good innings and the rest decent in ODIs, he should stay in this format of the game. But as I said, he should still be given a break from TESTS unless he performs consistently. If he does not, then he should become an ODI specialist from here on.

If he performs poorly in ODIs as well, then he should be sent back. That is not the case right now. So for now he should stay and play ODIs. I don`t see the confusion here.

Let him perform (As he has in the first ODI) to stay in ODIs. And let him improve his game to get back into TESTS.

No one is claiming that he has no potential. Just that he needs to perform to play. For now this is the best for himself and the team.

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BTW good luck to him on today`s match! Hope he performs well
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Old July 28, 2009, 05:49 AM
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Fuzzy, your last post is REAL fuzzy.
Its pretty hard to find what you are trying to say. You can edit your post and that might help to understand.
With all the encrypted quoted and bolded messages fuzzy one thing clear he likes Ash's batting and he still believes what Ata said about his ODI contribution .

Till now he kept the consistency as his innings of 57 has been heavily praised by the cricket experts in CI. How will it go today?
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Old July 28, 2009, 06:12 AM
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if the next series after zim is india then it will be even harder for BCB to drop him because he has been excellent against IND and SL.
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What everyone is saying here is that Ash must be dropped when there are worse batsmen in the team who should be retained. Who knows? Ash on his own might take some time out, I sincerely hope he does, then the Ash bashing will stop for a while.
It is up to BCB to do the selection, and they will do what they think is right
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Old July 28, 2009, 07:49 AM
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It wouldn't make sense to even think of dropping him after his fifty. If he got it from an array of extraordinary shots I'd have understood the concern, but the way he fought through and still got fifty means he wants to stay, and no coach would want such a person out of the team. I know we all want to see him fight for the country and keep his spot.

As to whether he has depression and shud take time off..totally upto him. But the best way for him to recover from teh blues may be scoring more runs and getting some confidence back. I'd personally advise him to see a counsellor regardless of whether he succeeds here and against Zimbabwe. He's been under too much stress for too long. Maybe a holiday in the Carribean (or the Alps!) would help.
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What everyone is saying here is that Ash must be dropped when there are worse batsmen in the team who should be retained. Who knows? Ash on his own might take some time out, I sincerely hope he does, then the Ash bashing will stop for a while.
It is up to BCB to do the selection, and they will do what they think is right
Not everyone....................

but look where is the expectation lying murad sums it nicely
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BC should declare today as ASH Day and celebrate it every year.

He remained consistent performance-wise in our ODI winning against the upper ranked teams.
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