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Old August 2, 2009, 08:25 PM
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Default Recent T20 loss: a wake up call for Bangladesh Cricket

Despite the West Indies series whitewash in Tests and ODI's, Bangladesh Cricket has a lot to think about and build on from now on. We should take note, that this same Bangladesh team collapsed in the First Test, First innings against this semi-decent, inexperienced overnight West Indies team. Had it not been for Mashrafee and Shahadat tail order batting, we would have lost that test setting up a much feasable target for the West Indies, a total far less than 277. However, Bowlers yet again, compensating for the faults of the Batsmen.

Dropped catches, life after life, risky shots, chances after chance and utilizing upon them has been the theme of this tour for Bangladesh. A much more disciplined zimbabwean side are probably licking their lips right now for some sweet ole' revenge.

This T20 loss signifies the amount of luck, complacency in opposite fielding, Bangladesh Cricket Team has been recieving since the start of the tour: it is great that the bubble finally burst so that we can realize the little errors we make consistently. Battingwise, We really have to go back to the drawing board and learn to play Basic cricket, proper cricket: because these schoolboy errors are not acceptable by any means, especially in international cricket. Indeed, in International cricket, even the smallest margin of error can cause a huge impact in the final result as us fans are used to witnessing far too often than we should.

It doesn't matter what the format of the game is: you still have to apply common sense, you still have to connect the bat with the ball, cautiouly attack the new ball while rotating the strike, you still have to keep wickets intact so that you can maximize your chances to post a decent total later on, you still have to get settled.

With that being said, All thanks to the Almighty, our ODI and Test wins have shown the area of improvement in Bangladesh cricket, a side used to playing quality opposition by now.

this T20 loss shows that an opponent is an opponent: in order to win against any team: you have to play professionally. Otherwise, you will pay the ultimate price: This loss should wake up both the fans and the Team on the amount of complacency and margin of error allowed against the upcoming Disciplined much fancied Zimbabwean side...we just simply can't afford to make schoolboy errors in international cricket. Concentrate on playing simple cricket and expand upon the basics: is how you will succeed against much stronger opponents in future International Cricket.
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Old August 2, 2009, 08:37 PM
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Someting to do with those 2 MF Montri**, As they appear in WI, BD team looks Indeciplaine and Kinda Shaky, Specially Shakib is not 100% anymore, My question is Why Those 2 MF Montri** Went to WI for ???
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Old August 2, 2009, 08:52 PM
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Despite the West Indies series whitewash in Tests and ODI's, Bangladesh Cricket has a lot to think about and build on from now on. We should take note, that this same Bangladesh team collapsed in the First Test, First innings against this semi-decent, inexperienced overnight West Indies team. Had it not been for Mashrafee and Shahadat tail order batting, we would have lost that test setting up a much feasable target for the West Indies, a total far less than 277. However, Bowlers yet again, compensating for the faults of the Batsmen.

Dropped catches, life after life, risky shots, chances after chance and utilizing upon them has been the theme of this tour for Bangladesh. A much more disciplined zimbabwean side are probably licking their lips right now for some sweet ole' revenge.

This T20 loss signifies the amount of luck, complacency in opposite fielding, Bangladesh Cricket Team has been recieving since the start of the tour: it is great that the bubble finally burst so that we can realize the little errors we make consistently.
Nothing illuminating. Pretty much straight forward article. (Sorry bro for being a Richard but I think lot of ji vai, hay vai tel maramari goes on here which bars from constructive criticism and impedes quality in writing).

Now on to replying your piece. Rifat, this thing call "luck" happens to many great batsmen and bowlers. This is called Cricket. Things like these are bound to happen and does not take away anything from the game. Same could be said about other oppositions who were buoyant on heavenly "luck." Someone with more cricket knowledge than me can quote plethora of examples from the top of their head of players being dropped on the first ball and going on to make centuries. Does this take anything away from them? No.

I agree with you in the first test, there was this collapse and "had it not been because Mashrafe and Shahadat..." But, this is cricket and they _did_ stand up for us saving our face from collapse. It's the same mistake as the logic in alternate history. What if Alexander died in 334 BC if not his buddy Cleitus saved him? Well, who knows? It sure reads for entertaining alternate history but the fact of the matter is no one knows for sure what might have happened. Bottom line is we won.

I see what you mean by our team not playing a "perfect" game. But, in real life skirmishes, perfection is an illusion.

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Great post, Rifat, and perfectly spot on.
But you will see that neither the Bangladesh team management or players nor the fans will understand the fact that for the test and ODI series win we owe much to the stupidity of West Indies as well. We tried to be equally competitive in that; but they beat us!

The same thing happened during the 2007 world cup. Two or three decent games eclipsed how miserably we played. Here this series win will eclipse all our faults.

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It doesn't matter what the format of the game is: you still have to apply common sense, you still have to connect the bat with the ball, cautiouly attack the new ball while rotating the strike, you still have to keep wickets intact so that you can maximize your chances to post a decent total later on, you still have to get settled.
That summarizes what we need to understand.
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It is about common sense and more. It is about paying respect to the game, the fans and themselves. From the attitudes exhibited in plain sight (বত্রিশ পাটি ক্যাবলা) most did not know what to do at best and did not care at worst. As ATMR counseled - severe flogging is a must. Where are our cheerleaders again?
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ভদ্রে, যাহার জাগিয়া ঘুমাইয়া থাকে তাহারা কিভাবে জাগিয়া উঠিবে ঠিক বোধগম্য নহে।
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This was good. 10 in a row. Something for the experts, who were saying we would over take WI with in this year, would get a reality check.

Clearly the players took it easy after two hard earn series victory.
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Great post, Rifat, and perfectly spot on.
But you will see that neither the Bangladesh team management or players nor the fans will understand the fact that for the test and ODI series win we owe much to the stupidity of West Indies as well. We tried to be equally competitive in that; but they beat us!

The same thing happened during the 2007 world cup. Two or three decent games eclipsed how miserably we played. Here this series win will eclipse all our faults.


That summarizes what we need to understand.
thanks Baundule... much appreciated bro...

In my first post I did not specify certain shots they made, certain error in judgement. It is quite redundant to reiterate the same points over and over again from the match thread and various other threads...the approach was completely wrong...especially the Batting: for example: two fours in a row for Shakib: he got bowled the next delivery trying to play the sweep shot...four run outs were a combination of our Batsmen's fault with much regards to excellent fielding today from the WIndies fielders.

The bowling is perfectly fine: I mean how do you really defend 119 in T20
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Old August 3, 2009, 12:52 AM
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More than the skills, which I think we do have them BTW, was the lack of passion for the game. The way Saqib was playing,,,it was really really irritating me ( does he not know any other shots than those two?), he was playing with an intention of playing few balls. Ashraful clearly didnt know where the fielders were, the aggression was totally lacking. And if you think about it,, our T20 individual averages are the "poorest" of all. Most of the players are in their 10-12s!!! Well, thats just insane.. I think today the BD team showed absolute disprespect to the game. It almost looked like it was a fixed-match, if you asked me!!!

Yes, there needs to be a wake up call. That is,,, for T20, even coaches like Buchanan fails, it is not easy, it is not that difficult, it is a mind-set and requires players of shots not players like Raqibul, Nazmul, etc. We needed to think about that. But more importantly, the lack of passion today was absolutely miserable...you can tell from miles away that BD team was not interested in this game at all.
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ভদ্রে, যাহার জাগিয়া ঘুমাইয়া থাকে তাহারা কিভাবে জাগিয়া উঠিবে ঠিক বোধগম্য নহে।
বাছাদের একটু বিরতি দেয়া হউক, ক্লান্তিহীণ 'আমরা করবো জয়' আর কত?
তাই যদি হয় তাহলে এই আঠারো জনকে ঢাকায় পাঠানো হক। তারপর তুষার ইমরান, আরাফাত সালাহুদ্দিন, হান্নান সরকার, জাভেদ ওমার বেলিম, মেহরাব হোসেন সিনিওর, ফয়সাল হোসাইন ডিকেন্স, সাগীর হোসাইন পাভেল, শুভ, নাবিল সামাদ, মোহাম্মাদ শাহযাদা, তারেক আজিয, তালহা, সুভাশিষ রয়, এদেরকে জিম্বাবুয়েতে পাঠিয়ে দিন...

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তাই যদি হয় তাহলে এই আঠারো জনকে ঢাকায় পাঠানো হক। তারপর তুষার ইমরান, আরাফাত সালাহুদ্দিন, হান্নান সরকার, জাভেদ ওমার বেলিম, মেহরাব হোসেন সিনিওর, ফয়সাল হোসাইন ডিকেন্স, সাগীর হোসাইন পাভেল, শুভ, নাবিল সামাদ, মোহাম্মাদ শাহযাদা, তারেক আজিয, তালহা, সুভাশিষ রয়, এদেরকে জিম্বাবুয়েতে পাঠিয়ে দিন...
ধন্যবাদ লাউ-কদু সংক্রান্ত বোল-চালটি এ বেলায় আবার ফলে যাবে।
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It is about common sense and more. It is about paying respect to the game, the fans and themselves. From the attitudes exhibited in plain sight (বত্রিশ পাটি ক্যাবলা) most did not know what to do at best and did not care at worst. As ATMR counseled - severe flogging is a must. Where are our cheerleaders again?
Wow....flogging and cheerleaders all in the same sentence.
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If this was the wake up call, what was the loss against Ire ? We are losing in T20 almost continuously.
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They even played better against Ireland, here they went to sleep.
Another G8 would have never allowed this to happen, they would have won this match and left on a high, and what with the runouts?

They better come out from this slumber and be wide awake on the Zim tour, or else they will get smacked.
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You guys are too worked up on this format. Look at the big picture. This is only for fun, T20 format I mean. Let the boys enjoy the outing. All series long it was too much pressure to handle. For the first time we came out of top in real cricket.
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You guys are too worked up on this format. Look at the big picture. This is only for fun, T20 format I mean. Let the boys enjoy the outing. All series long it was too much pressure to handle. For the first time we came out of top in real cricket.
You got it wrong there Mijan. T20 will be the dominant format of cricket going forward. Test will be reserved for elite few and ODIs will be consigned to the dustbin of history. Mark my words.
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You got it wrong there Mijan. T20 will be the dominant format of cricket going forward. Test will be reserved for elite few and ODIs will be consigned to the dustbin of history. Mark my words.
You breathe, eat, sleep more cricket than me. You may be correct in the near future. But for now on it is a fun thing.

A test series, even an ODI series is much more important for our existance. (getting the free ICC money, tours (FTP), plus all the tele contracts) When the world puts more importance on that we will surely come around.
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BCB should make sure that our boys don't take any official match (wether it's a T20 or ODI or Test)
as a practice match or a picnic.
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You guys are too worked up on this format. Look at the big picture. This is only for fun, T20 format I mean. Let the boys enjoy the outing. All series long it was too much pressure to handle. For the first time we came out of top in real cricket.
There is no "fun" match when you are playing under the country flag. They are getting paid, aren't they? Not taking a game seriously (whatever the format is) is a sign of disrespect for the fans and the country.

I don't mind that they lost, because anything can happen in this format, but the way they played clearly showed that they didn't take this game seriously or made any serious effort to go for a win.

It was a trash game, to put it simply.
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Picnic cricket is back!....What a display of picnic cricket that was....I wonder how much raffle money they got to play like that....Don't we all love picnics on a summer day....
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There is no "fun" match when you are playing under the country flag. They are getting paid, aren't they? Not taking a game seriously (whatever the format is) is a sign of disrespect for the fans and the country.

I don't mind that they lost, because anything can happen in this format, but the way they played clearly showed that they didn't take this game seriously or made any serious effort to go for a win.

It was a trash game, to put it simply.
To me it was just another "can you hit a six" practice match (wasn't even as important as the Ireland match). The tour goals were achieved already. I am not defending the players attitude. Just saying you guys are putting too much emphasis on some thing that is not worth.

This was the best tour ever in our history counting the loss.
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Losses are understandable and upsets happen. Whats unacceptable is to take the loss lightly and not fix the mistakes that were/are being made.

I'm with Zunaid on this that T20 will SOON become the premier form of the game and later become the ONLY form of the game (once the olympics come about and China embraces it).

We CAN NOT be short sighted on T20 and fall behind. WI lost to us in the 2007 WC, bounced back and with the help of the short lived Stanford 20/20, created a team that destroyed ENG in a one off, wend to the semi finals of the next world cup and had a 2nd string team capable of humiliating us in that format.

What did we do? We went about shunning the format and lost to Ireland & WI (2nd team) convincingly and haven't won an internationl T20 match since that 2007 victory over WI.
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