facebook Twitter RSS Feed YouTube StumbleUpon

Home | Forum | Chat | Tours | Articles | Pictures | News | Tools | History | Tourism | Search

 
 


Go Back   BanglaCricket Forum > Cricket > Cricket

Cricket Join fellow Tigers fans to discuss all things Cricket

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #26  
Old August 12, 2018, 12:51 PM
Roey Haque's Avatar
Roey Haque Roey Haque is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: March 26, 2012
Favorite Player: Shakib Al Hassan
Posts: 4,986

I know we need him as a batsman. But you are stretching his immature antics to suit your narrative. Getting people to express hate for us? What? Cannot buy all that, sorry. But I like that you finally seem to understand what my gripe with him is about. The guy is extremely self centered, isn't he? All about him, putting others down, wearing emotions on his sleeves. A total mess. I need him to bat and stop with all the other bull. If he can't do that, then I need him to F off.

That is my position. But I respect your position. Interesting views. Maybe we can debate this issue on a pod in the future.
__________________
#PrivatizeBCB
#PrivatizeBFF
The end of Rahim will mark a new great beginning for the complacency free Bangladesh!
Reply With Quote

  #27  
Old August 12, 2018, 03:25 PM
Shingara's Avatar
Shingara Shingara is offline
Test Cricketer
 
Join Date: March 6, 2016
Location: AWACS
Favorite Player: Ziya
Posts: 1,309

Bigger question is : What will happen to our cricket after they retire? There's nothing in our pipeline .. none of the newbies have impressed anyone ... our cricket is doomed!
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old August 12, 2018, 03:27 PM
al Furqaan's Avatar
al Furqaan al Furqaan is online now
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 18, 2004
Location: New York City
Favorite Player: Mominul, Nasir, Taskin
Posts: 24,235

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roey Haque
The guy is extremely self centered, isn't he? All about him, putting others down, wearing emotions on his sleeves. A total mess.
But thats what true leadership is about or at least should be about. Its about being bold enough to do what is necessary. Lets assume for arguments sake that there are certain people who aren't secure enough and get upset by his so-called "antics"...why is Mushfiqur (or his fans) obligated to accommodate them? That doesn't make any sense to me. Its not like he's committed a crime. If there is a better player out there, let them score the runs, and he will automatically be selected. But there isn't (apart from Mosaddek who is being forced out by Riyad in the Test side - but thats a different story).

Bangladesh cricket should not have to tip toe around egg shells. We are BANGLADESH. Its only our own ineptitude shackling our team from becoming the best team in cricket.

If Shakib wants grab his crotch during a game, I'm all for it. If Mushy makes an instagram video supporting one team over another, I'm all for it. In fact if there is any scope for criticism, its that be backed down to the haters and deleted it. Those people don't have the best interests of Bangladesh cricket at heart.

The main point is, Mushy has a toughness that is rare. He got hit by a 150 kph beamer [possibly intentionally thrown] by Varun Aaaron and kept batting. He batted with bruised, probably fractured fingers in NZ and hit a top class hundred. Thats the kind of toughness we need in all XI players. The "antics" are just a bonus, the cherry on top of the sundae.

My two cents and I agree should be a good topic for a podcast.
__________________
Bangladesh: Our Dream, Our Joy, Our Team

#OneTeam1Dream
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old August 12, 2018, 03:50 PM
Roey Haque's Avatar
Roey Haque Roey Haque is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: March 26, 2012
Favorite Player: Shakib Al Hassan
Posts: 4,986

No, after reading your post, I don't think you got me. I don't care how we appear to others you see, that is not my beef with Rahim. His antics do not matter or relate to others, it matters to the team. It hurts the team. When you have a guy like that in the locker room, always bragging and making it about him, and failing to acknowledge his own limitations, it sets in motion a weak culture like no other. It sucks the life force out of the place to go to work with a egotistic attention absorbing guy like that.

Again, I agree, he has developed himself into a great bat and that it is incumbent upon others to replace him. Which is why in my original comment I precisely wish for this to happen. A new guy to come with the skills and performances, but also a better cultural influence. (even though it did take Rahim many years before he stopped crapping his pants against bowling)
__________________
#PrivatizeBCB
#PrivatizeBFF
The end of Rahim will mark a new great beginning for the complacency free Bangladesh!
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old August 12, 2018, 04:21 PM
al Furqaan's Avatar
al Furqaan al Furqaan is online now
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 18, 2004
Location: New York City
Favorite Player: Mominul, Nasir, Taskin
Posts: 24,235

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roey Haque
No, after reading your post, I don't think you got me. I don't care how we appear to others you see, that is not my beef with Rahim. His antics do not matter or relate to others, it matters to the team. It hurts the team. When you have a guy like that in the locker room, always bragging and making it about him, and failing to acknowledge his own limitations, it sets in motion a weak culture like no other. It sucks the life force out of the place to go to work with a egotistic attention absorbing guy like that.
There's no evidence that it has a negative effect on the team. In fact the empirical data would suggest otherwise.

I don't think anyone could name an example of a leader who's bragging and self-centeredness could have deleterious effects on the wider work environment or culture. Its just a figment of the imagination in my opinion. If a leader isn't going to brag, then there isn't anyone who can. Senior guys on the team should have the confidence in us fans, and the authority to behave as they see fit. They are scoring the runs, they are taking the wickets. Not the coaches, not the admin, not even us fans (as wise as we might be )

But MR15 has been the longest serving captain for Bangladesh in both formats. That longevity is testament to his superiority as a leader on and off the field. The mould of what the team should emulate.

Mushy has led the team to all 3 of our teams major Test wins. All previous captains combined (Durjoy, Akram, Pilot, Chacha, Bashar, Ashraful, Shakib, and Mash) have combined for 0. This is actually where the debate ends.

Plus countless drawn matches that allowed BD to gradually rise in the rankings. It was under Rahim's captaincy that visiting tours stopped assuming tours to BD would be a 2-0 sweep.

The other 10 players are actually thriving under the climate he's introducing in the locker room and on the field. He has the respect of all the rest of the players and thats the main thing. The recognize his value to the team, even if he's not the captain anymore, everyone knows he's the psychological captain of the Test and T20I sides.

Additionally, unless you've actually been in the dressing room or privy to the goings on, you're basing your assumptions based on Prothom Alo or Daily Star reporting. If the guys writing the reports aren't supportive of Mushfiqur in general, their reports have to dismissed in their entirety. These things happened with Ashraful before. There were groups who thought he should be stripped of captaincy or dropped due to his inconsistent play. A lot of these reporters couldn't get any other job so they resort to inventing stuff in order to sow discord within the team and get fans to rally against certain players.
__________________
Bangladesh: Our Dream, Our Joy, Our Team

#OneTeam1Dream
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old August 12, 2018, 06:55 PM
Roey Haque's Avatar
Roey Haque Roey Haque is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: March 26, 2012
Favorite Player: Shakib Al Hassan
Posts: 4,986

We are still awful in the rankings. And whatever results we got, I don't know if it is because of the leadership, or in spite of the leadership. Anyway, we need the experience and batsmanship, so no chance of leaving him out now. But surely, you would agree that it would better if Liton takes over the gloves, or Nurul for that matter. Why don't they deserve all the chances Rahim got at the front end of his career?

Yes, times are different now, Rinat covered this by saying how the ICL exodus meant the players getting an extended run in the teams, also the fact, that there is more internal competition now( though about that, we have to revisit that issue about the competition now being better, not sure yet). But still, I don't understand how you can spin Rahim not giving up the gloves as a positive trait? He shouts a lot when we get wickets, but when the batsmen on crease start to hammer us, he goes quiet as a mouse.

His type of bragging is not like the Kobe Bryant type, who brags, but is quietly excellent, and focused towards winning only. His type of bragging is more like Russel Westrbook, freakishly talented and plays with heart, but always inserts himself into situations and leaves others deflated.
Anyway, I don't think we will ever agree on the long term negative impact of Rahim because you are more practical than me, but I am more idealistic than you.
__________________
#PrivatizeBCB
#PrivatizeBFF
The end of Rahim will mark a new great beginning for the complacency free Bangladesh!
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old August 12, 2018, 08:26 PM
Yankees Yankees is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: February 10, 2017
Location: New York
Favorite Player: Sanga,Mash,Shakib,Fizz
Posts: 3,089

Quote:
Originally Posted by al Furqaan
But MR15 has been the longest serving captain for Bangladesh in both formats. That longevity is testament to his superiority as a leader on and off the field. The mould of what the team should emulate.
Just to be sure, you're talking about this guy right?



Just remember correlation does not imply causation. A lot of factors lead to our 3 test wins, captaincy wasn't one of them.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old August 12, 2018, 10:38 PM
al Furqaan's Avatar
al Furqaan al Furqaan is online now
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 18, 2004
Location: New York City
Favorite Player: Mominul, Nasir, Taskin
Posts: 24,235

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roey Haque
We are still awful in the rankings. And whatever results we got, I don't know if it is because of the leadership, or in spite of the leadership. Anyway, we need the experience and batsmanship, so no chance of leaving him out now. But surely, you would agree that it would better if Liton takes over the gloves, or Nurul for that matter. Why don't they deserve all the chances Rahim got at the front end of his career?
I've been calling for Rahim to drop the gloves and bat as a specialist in Tests at least since 2012, or even earlier. I think AsifTheManRahman was the first one to make that call and that was eons ago.

I am a firm supporter of having Nurul keep wicket and having Liton open with Tamim.

I just want Riyad out and Mosaddek in. And I want Rubel banished from the Test side till the next Brahma takes over from the current one.

Quote:
He shouts a lot when we get wickets, but when the batsmen on crease start to hammer us, he goes quiet as a mouse.
Thats all WK though. Even captains start removing slips and bat pad catchers when a batsmen is on 150 not out. You won't ever see a batsman on 150 not out facing a 5 man slip cordon. Thats just cricket.

I just admire his tenacious attitude and his toughness. And his batting technique which is tight enough to hold water.

Quote:
Anyway, I don't think we will ever agree on the long term negative impact of Rahim because you are more practical than me, but I am more idealistic than you.
Once you jilted enough times you'll be a pragmatist too.
__________________
Bangladesh: Our Dream, Our Joy, Our Team

#OneTeam1Dream
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old August 12, 2018, 10:42 PM
al Furqaan's Avatar
al Furqaan al Furqaan is online now
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 18, 2004
Location: New York City
Favorite Player: Mominul, Nasir, Taskin
Posts: 24,235

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yankees
Just to be sure, you're talking about this guy right?



Just remember correlation does not imply causation. A lot of factors lead to our 3 test wins, captaincy wasn't one of them.
Honestly, this video has been widely debunked as using a grief actor who somewhat resembles Mushfiq in order to tarnish his reputation. And he doesn't even look that much like the @realMushfiqurRahim.

If you notice the guy in that video has a hairline thats receded far less than Mushy. Its not biologically possible for a hairline to recede that quickly unless Mushfiq's telomeres are shortening in an accelerated manner (ie it defies the known laws of senescence).
__________________
Bangladesh: Our Dream, Our Joy, Our Team

#OneTeam1Dream
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old August 13, 2018, 01:19 AM
Yankees Yankees is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: February 10, 2017
Location: New York
Favorite Player: Sanga,Mash,Shakib,Fizz
Posts: 3,089

Quote:
Originally Posted by al Furqaan
Honestly, this video has been widely debunked as using a grief actor who somewhat resembles Mushfiq in order to tarnish his reputation. And he doesn't even look that much like the @realMushfiqurRahim.

If you notice the guy in that video has a hairline thats receded far less than Mushy. Its not biologically possible for a hairline to recede that quickly unless Mushfiq's telomeres are shortening in an accelerated manner (ie it defies the known laws of senescence).
well I'm convinced. I stand corrected. What a relief that is not our Mushy. Happiness is this then.
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old August 13, 2018, 09:45 AM
Tigers_eye's Avatar
Tigers_eye Tigers_eye is offline
Cricket Savant
 
Join Date: June 30, 2005
Location: Little Rock
Favorite Player: Viv Richards, Steve Waugh
Posts: 31,464

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yankees
well I'm convinced. I stand corrected. What a relief that is not our Mushy. Happiness is this then.
Can I nominate this post for post of the year?



BC please listen to me for once.
__________________
The Weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the Strong." - Gandhi.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old August 13, 2018, 09:50 AM
Tigers_eye's Avatar
Tigers_eye Tigers_eye is offline
Cricket Savant
 
Join Date: June 30, 2005
Location: Little Rock
Favorite Player: Viv Richards, Steve Waugh
Posts: 31,464

Quote:
Originally Posted by al Furqaan
There's no evidence that it has a negative effect on the team. In fact the empirical data would suggest otherwise.

I don't think anyone could name an example of a leader who's bragging and self-centeredness could have deleterious effects on the wider work environment or culture. Its just a figment of the imagination in my opinion. If a leader isn't going to brag, then there isn't anyone who can. ...
You meant to tell me for 9 years while I taught "LEADERSHIP" management courses, I had it all wrong? The Text books need new authors with new theories on leadership? This is "Trump" leadership or what?


Bragging (on yourself) don't make you a leader. It is the first stepping stone of a future failure.
__________________
The Weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the Strong." - Gandhi.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old August 13, 2018, 06:57 PM
al Furqaan's Avatar
al Furqaan al Furqaan is online now
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 18, 2004
Location: New York City
Favorite Player: Mominul, Nasir, Taskin
Posts: 24,235

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
You meant to tell me for 9 years while I taught "LEADERSHIP" management courses, I had it all wrong? The Text books need new authors with new theories on leadership? This is "Trump" leadership or what?


Bragging (on yourself) don't make you a leader. It is the first stepping stone of a future failure.
Trump is too humble and unassuming and thats why his Presidency and administration are in tatters. In fact, if Trump were to adopt Mushfiq's self-aggrandizing he would have more success. Trump defers to decorum and decency a little too much for my liking. He should be more proactive on social media, even if it means ruffling a few feathers. Just like Mushy. Did Mushy care what people thought when posted that pic on instagram? Nope, he did anyways.

Be bold, "pee into the wind" as the great Joey Tribbiani once said.
__________________
Bangladesh: Our Dream, Our Joy, Our Team

#OneTeam1Dream
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old August 14, 2018, 09:13 AM
Tigers_eye's Avatar
Tigers_eye Tigers_eye is offline
Cricket Savant
 
Join Date: June 30, 2005
Location: Little Rock
Favorite Player: Viv Richards, Steve Waugh
Posts: 31,464

Quote:
Originally Posted by al Furqaan
Trump is too humble and unassuming and thats why his Presidency and administration are in tatters. In fact, if Trump were to adopt Mushfiq's self-aggrandizing he would have more success. Trump defers to decorum and decency a little too much for my liking. He should be more proactive on social media, even if it means ruffling a few feathers. Just like Mushy. Did Mushy care what people thought when posted that pic on instagram? Nope, he did anyways.

Be bold, "pee into the wind" as the great Joey Tribbiani once said.
Do not forget me once you get to the peak. I will humbly follow your lead. Afterall, without dedicated followers what does the leader amount to? I concede.
__________________
The Weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the Strong." - Gandhi.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old August 16, 2018, 01:07 PM
al Furqaan's Avatar
al Furqaan al Furqaan is online now
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 18, 2004
Location: New York City
Favorite Player: Mominul, Nasir, Taskin
Posts: 24,235

Quote:
While the majority of the national cricketers are on post-series and Eid-ul-Adha holiday, Tamim is busy practising in the nets. For the last two days, wicketkeeper-batsman Mushfiqur Rahim was also found working on fitness at the home of cricket.
https://www.dhakatribune.com/sport/c...gainst-windies

Shakib gets a pass this time as he's performing Hajj, but these 2 guys are busy training just after a tour. Total professionals! This is the kind of role model we need for the younger guys.

I hope both of these guys last until the 2027 WC in both Tests and ODIs.
__________________
Bangladesh: Our Dream, Our Joy, Our Team

#OneTeam1Dream
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old August 16, 2018, 01:47 PM
aklemalp's Avatar
aklemalp aklemalp is offline
Cricket Savant
 
Join Date: September 5, 2009
Location: Guyana,South America
Favorite Player: Rahkeem Cornwall
Posts: 25,648

The home of cricket? Lords?
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old August 16, 2018, 02:59 PM
Rinathq's Avatar
Rinathq Rinathq is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: January 1, 2010
Location: Alberta, Canada
Favorite Player: Mash, Riyad, Tamim
Posts: 6,223

Quote:
Originally Posted by aklemalp
The home of cricket? Lords?
Home of *Bangladesh cricket... SBNS
__________________
My clicks: https://www.flickr.com/photos/108789483@N05/
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:30 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
BanglaCricket.com
 

About Us | Contact Us | Privacy Policy | Partner Sites | Useful Links | Banners |

© BanglaCricket