The Tushar Imran Thread

[BanCricFan]

Tushar Imran played for Bangladesh when we just entered the "professional" era. Playing whole three days in a Test, generally, used to be our goal then and "Shommanjonok porajoy" in the ODIs. We were very thin on FC experience. Unfortunately, like many of that generation Tushar didn't fare so well in the international circuit. But, he was still very talented and could play a few shots- even against the very best. I still remember how he once took on Alan Donald and deposited him to the rope on a number of occasions. In the end, it was the lack of FC experience and temperament that betrayed him.

Since then, he has been a prolific run getter in the domestic FC scene and the first to reach the 7000 runs club with 17 tons, second only to the enigmatic Mohammad Ashraful (18). A cricketer like Tushar Imran is extremely vital for our domestic scene. Someone who can mentor, guide and pass on the know-how to the young and up comings. He is still relatively young (31) and has been in rich vein of form lately with big hundreds. Too late for a comeback in the international realm?

[mufi_02]

.....why?

[Max100]

according to BC fans or BCB admin--once you out from the team--you will never come back

although its totally opposite in NZ, england, SAF or australia set up. thats why players like Hogg, Elliott,chris rogers, cadberry, morne van wyck gets chance

its impossible for tushar imran or rajin to comeback, even if they make 10 double century. thats not BCB culture

even at the age of 26or below 30--naeem, junaid, juhurul,SN,rokibul,enam jr,kapali, mehrab jr are considered permanenet discarded


now people are excited about shadman, mustafizur. once they get selected--they will talk about another new guy

so dont hope much about tushar imran


in my opinion, instead of promising 17 or 19 yrs old--we should select inform consistent player barring their age. player should be selected according to the series .

[Eshen]

Tushar had been a superstar at A-team level. It's puzzling why he could not make the transition to the international stage. It may be more of a mental block.

[BanCricFan]

Well said, Max100.

And, traditionally "mental block" in most BD cricketers stemmed from the lack of FC experience, lack of cricket knowledge and the absence of a well established cricket culture. Cricketers like Ashraful, Alok, Aftab, Tushar or Bashar grew up in a non-existing FC void. So, during their darkest hours they had no easy access to ex-pros who could guide them or help them. Only now this is gradually changing and the next generation will be better for it.

[mufi_02]

Originally Posted by Max100
according to BC fans or BCB admin--once you out from the team--you will never come back

although its totally opposite in NZ, england, SAF or australia set up. thats why players like Hogg, Elliott,chris rogers, cadberry, morne van wyck gets chance

its impossible for tushar imran or rajin to comeback, even if they make 10 double century. thats not BCB culture

even at the age of 26or below 30--naeem, junaid, juhurul,SN,rokibul,enam jr,kapali, mehrab jr are considered permanenet discarded


now people are excited about shadman, mustafizur. once they get selected--they will talk about another new guy

so dont hope much about tushar imran


in my opinion, instead of promising 17 or 19 yrs old--we should select inform consistent player barring their age. player should be selected according to the series .

It works other way around too. All the players you mentioned had not one or two but multiple chances at various times with our national teams. There are very few of them who played just one test or few ODIs and then were discarded.

The player of this thread, Tushar Imran, played 10+ ODIs in 2002 and 10+ more in 2003, 9 ODIs in 2005, few in 2006, and then again around 7-8 in 2007. He didn't had a single bad game or a season. He failed miserably for these 6 years and in 41 ODIs and has a career average of 14.45. In tests, he played sporadically between 2002-2007 and has an average of 8.90.

So how more many chances do you need? In Eng, AUS, SA, he would be lucky to get a FC game after such horrendous international performance year after year.

Jahurul, Junaid, Naeem also got more than enough chances but failed to establish themselves. Ar koto chance dibe apnei bolen. Onek chance deya hoise eder.

It is not always BCB's fault. If these players can't replicate their domestic form in international scene then maybe they are not good enough. Enough of blaming BCB, the players need to their understand shortcomings too.

[BanCricFan]

Mufi, there is a huge gulf between Bangladesh and England when it comes to cricket history or culture. Bangladesh started to play FC from the year 2000. They don't compare, my dear fella. So what if someone has failed thousand times? Not just Tushar but pretty much all were averaging around 15 from that era. And, if you pay heed to the context and will have a closure. Lets imagine for a second that he breaks all sorts of FC records this season and has, also, been pretty consistent over the last few years -should he not then be considered solely because of his "failure" tag? A cricketer usually mature around 28 -30 years and many of them can play well into their late 30s. So, why should there be a "shut and closed" sign next to cricketer who is barely 30? Or is there a rule written somewhere that one only gets 3/4 chances? Are there not a number of cases where 33 years olds making even international debuts?

[mufi_02]

I am not criticizing Tushar Imran's FC record. He has very good stats there and so good for him.

But there are times when we have to move on. Tushar, Junaid, Jahurul, Naeem had plenty of opportunities. We have all seen how they failed. Every time they were selected they kept doing the same mistake. So they are not the players to persist with. On the other hand, we see some players who looks very promising but have initial jitters or sudden drop in form. These are Anamuls, Mominuls, Nasir, Gazi etc. It is worth persisting with them and allow them to grow. Then there is ofcourse Kayes who is in between

Do you honestly think Tushar, Junaid and the likes of them are international class? Not everyone is Steve Smith; who was ridiculed few years ago when chosen in Aus Test team to tour India. Now he is their Test captain.

[hoodlum]

Graeme Hick had a tremendous FC records but failed to impact in test cricket.

[Max100]

lets see the record


Tushar:

Test--total 5
3 in 2002---against mighty SAF (2 test) and SL (1 test) in SAF and SL
1 in 2005--against SL in SL
1 in 2007---against SL in SL

In ODI--- he get enough opportunity between 2001-2007 and even in domestic his record is not up to mark


2. Juhurul

3 test in 2010 and 4 test in 2013-- average 26.69

3. Junaid

last 5 test matches--total runs: 113,73, 132,7, 27-------- not sure if its bad enough to get dropped?

4. naeem islam

test average 32: played only 8 test, last 5 matches total runs: 62, 36, 48, 134 (century),18 (last test)
ODI: people might say he has slow SR, but he has 2 half century in last 7 ODI he played

5. enamul JR
last 3 test----3 wkt(2009),6wkt (2009), 3 wkt (2013)--- even after getting 6 wkt--he was dropped for 4 years--------since then he took 400 FC wkt and almost in every single tournament he was top 3 wkt taker
last 3 ODI----wkt 3,3,0 (all 2009)


6. alok kapali

test--he has not done enough to support him
ODI--IN ODI too
overall-- talented but never consistent in any format--he got enough opportunity


7. Rajin saleh

test-- last 5 matches he scored 1 half century, 2007--2008 (we used to play for sommanjonok porajoy)--so he record dont support him

ODI--Rajin's last 7 matches dont support him either. last year he playe 2006

8. najmul hossain

test-- first one in 2004-- got 2 wkt, then he got chance after 7 years in 2011and got 3 wkt and his career stopped because of epic fail

ODI--wkt -0,1,1,3 (BD won against SL),1 (last match)--his economic rate was great always. he played 2 ODI in 2011 and 2 in 2012 and then dropped

[BanCricFan]

Opening a Tushar Imran thread doesn't automatically mean a rally for his re-inclusion within the national set up. My primary intention was to acknowledge the service and achievements of a domestic veteran. We have a tendency of under-appreciating of people in the background and not in the immediate fore -which I believe a bad culture.

Now, as for his POSSIBLE comeback to the international scene, we have to realize that most of the BD cricketers will be late developers (there ARE exceptions) because of the obvious reason of our lack of cricket culture. This is certainly true of Tushar Imran's batch. Things are only beginning to take shape now. My contention is if, for example, Tushar is physically and mentally prepared and he has been solid in terms of performance in the FC circuit then why should he not be, at least, considered for a possible comeback. Yes, some people are never meant to set the international scene alight. But, we must treat every case individually. There shouldn't be a "shut and closed" policy. I believe Tushar has enough talent and skills to grace the international arena again. He is still only 30. But, it all depends on how fit he is or how self-motivated he is or how accomplished he is now as a cricketer as opposed to the past. We cannot really have a proper judgement until we see him play.

Finally, new and fresh isn't always better. Old can be gold sometime.

[Max100]

Originally Posted by hoodlum
Graeme Hick had a tremendous FC records but failed to impact in test cricket.

another example is mark ramprakash

[Gowza]

i think the biggest thing against older players making a comeback or even a debut if they didn't get a chance earlier is that given the quality of BD domestic cricket they'll likely need some time to adjust and develop, now of course it's fair to assume anyone needs sometime to do this but older more experienced players who know there game better should adjust quicker and make an impact earlier, this is tough for BD players in particular because of that gulf in quality that they face when jumping levels. The question then comes down to whether it's worth taking a gamble on someone older or someone younger, both will need that adjust,net and development time, neither are sure bets but assuming they both work out then you get more years out of the younger guy.

Nothing against the older and more experienced but if they are selected then they need to be more ready, you don't want to pick a 30 year old who's going to need 2-3 years to develop properly so you only get maybe 5 good years out of them tops when you could take a youngster who will need the same time to develop but give you 10-15 good years. younger people tend to have a better chance of catching on a bit quicker as well while the older blokes can have a tough time moving past some bad habits.

But guys like Tushar are important, for their consistency help develop the younger players and even if they haven't been successful internationally, if they've been successful domestically then they still have some helpful advice to give to the young guys.

[mafizraju]

Originally Posted by BanCricFan
We were very thin on FC experience. Unfortunately, like many of that generation Tushar didn't fare so well in the international circuit. But, he was still very talented and could play a few shots- even against the very best.

You got it absolutely right. Tushar is only an example. We continued to fail to back players for the long haul. We continued to import players from the age group before they were ready and then did not give them that 6-7 years needed to improve. Every two-three years we completely changed the team.

I think this is the biggest reason we didnot progress as much as we should have had. We always went for the glory, be it on field or off field. We believe too much in magic. As if Tendulkars are born. We kept on searching for next Tendu, or Wasim.

Is Anamul a lot better than Kayes. Probably not. Or a Sunny (either one) better than Razzak? Probably not either. Despite all the promises, discipline, and hardwork Mushfiq started to deliver only over last two years or so.

Progress of Tamim also seemed to have stalled. Even Shakib's batting has not progressed much beyond the 2011 level. This is really sad. In 2011 a lot of us predicted that that team was perfectly capable of being a very good one by 2015. That has not happened.

[BanCricFan]

Great post there mafizraju.

The guy/gal with a loudspeaker shouts, "when do we want?" and the mob shouts back in unison "NOW!" Still, the revolution doesn't happen overnight. Certainly not in cricket. Try to explain this to the mob and they will have your head. They want a Tendulkar or a Wasim then and then. I want an ice cream AND I want it NOW. Not just the teenies but even the oldies don't understand the process or appreciate the theory or the need of continuity. They will talk up Anamul as the next messiah and just after two games the 16 yr young ChockMock Sen as his must replacement and after that the very unborn baby brother of CS. The cycle continues. They want a Rubel or an Abul to bowl at 140k AND like Wasim and McGrath combined -from the word go. Like the Wasims and Waqars just fall from the tree! These fanatics should have been sent to the Afghan Rehab Centre even before it was built for the treatment of an acute instant-gratification syndrome. I say they are more worthy of a one way ticket to Pabna. 'Ajeeb Manush Shomachar! Only in Bangladesh!

[Gowza]

I agree with giving players a chance but 6-7 years is a bit much especially if they've shown next to nothing, they have to at least show a certain minimum to keep getting chances.

[Rinathq]

it was ridiculous to give some of the players an endless run without any success and its sad that once these players are dropped they are almost written off for lifetime. For example even last year we struggled endlessly to find a seamer with Mash injured and the rest wayward... we had Sharif top the seamers chart quite a few times and yet he wasnt even close to a reconsideration. Same could be said for someone like Enamul Huq Jnr. When we were playing Raj continously in test after constant failures we didnt consider Enamul Huq but looked for someone new to come in. In reality, Enamul performed well enough in FC to earn a recall....

[BanCricFan]

I have no problem with Enam's drop. He didn't deliver at all. He can't even bowl maidens in the domestic -all over the shop. What I would like to see is the performing ex-internationals are brought into the A side. Perhaps, one or two at a time. So, domestically performing cricketers like Tushar, Enam, FReza, Zia et el are kept in the picture. This will benefit them as well as Bangladesh cricket.

[Vua]

Don't forget Elias Sunny. After taking those 10 wickets in that test match, we have thrown him off the bandwagon!

[BanCricFan]

But Elias Sunny seems to blow hot and cold...no? But, of course, he should still be in the picture. So should my friend Chokka.

Tushar is dead serious, it seems, about that POTENTIAL recall. He is keepin' it up for all the oldies.

[shoibboshach]

Tushar is in the form of his life. He is also very close to become the first Bangladeshi batsman to 10000 FC runs club. He has been been absolutely terrific over the last few years and it would be interesting to see his First Class stats for the last four years.

One thing the career of Tushar illustrates is the undeniable need for a batsman (or a bowler) to play a great number of FC cricket and acquire that priceless experience, skills and know-how of the game. His FC career is also a good indicator that most batsmen usually blossom, come to know the game and their own game as they mature in age and experience. BCB should really pay heed and reflect about their policiy of selecting very young cricketers for Test cricket. They should be very careful with extremely talented Soumya Sarkar and Sabbir Rahman. Incidently, both of them have very little FC experience and I think the focus should be to get them to play as many FC cricket as possible. There is absolutely no alternative to FC experience. We hope we don't have to lose a Sabbir or a Soumya like a Tushar again.

Back to Tushar, I believe he should be selected for A tours and if still has the required fitness, drive and skills he should be considered for Tests again. He is still under 35.

[ReZ_1]

I think we can try him now as vaas has already retired

[aklemalp]

Bangladesh's Graham Thorpe.

[One World]

Where is tiger100 or 1000 something, in this thread?

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by shoibboshach
Tushar is in the form of his life. He is also very close to become the first Bangladeshi batsman to 10000 FC runs club. He has been been absolutely terrific over the last few years and it would be interesting to see his First Class stats for the last four years.

One thing the career of Tushar illustrates is the undeniable need for a batsman (or a bowler) to play a great number of FC cricket and acquire that priceless experience, skills and know-how of the game. His FC career is also a good indicator that most batsmen usually blossom, come to know the game and their own game as they mature in age and experience. BCB should really pay heed and reflect about their policiy of selecting very young cricketers for Test cricket. They should be very careful with extremely talented Soumya Sarkar and Sabbir Rahman. Incidently, both of them have very little FC experience and I think the focus should be to get them to play as many FC cricket as possible. There is absolutely no alternative to FC experience. We hope we don't have to lose a Sabbir or a Soumya like a Tushar again.

Back to Tushar, I believe he should be selected for A tours and if still has the required fitness, drive and skills he should be considered for Tests again. He is still under 35.

Nice bump dude. It is a pity that OP is not here anymore to appreciate your bump.