2020 US Presidential Election Thread

[Roey Haque]

Sounding more and more like Crooked Hillary.

The Democrats are a joke. Clown world.

Only reasonable guys are Yang and Gabbard. Rest are all leftist scumbags.

[ToBeFair]

Watch how angry Joe Biden gets when the Press actually asks him questions about Ukraine.

"How was your role as Vice President in charge of policy in Ukraine and your son's job in Ukraine, how is that not a conflict of interest?"

Biden: "I'm not going to respond to that!" pic.twitter.com/kyNISLsig3

— ALX ������������ (@alx) October 4, 2019

Look at Joe's thuggish behavior when asked a question about his son's Ukrainian corruption scandal. In my opinion, Joe Biden has always been a THUG. His thuggery was evident the way he treated Anita Hill. His thuggery was apparent in his boasting of Crime Bill on the senate floor. His thuggery was clear in how zealously he carried the water for banks and wall street and protected them.

This will sound crass but I have no sympathy left for Joe who destroyed and decimated millions and millions of lives. The sooner this thug dies (if not literally, then definitely politically), the quicker this world becomes a better place.

[ToBeFair]

At the end of the day, we have one life to live, and you ask yourself, what role do I want to play?

That role must go deeper than defeating Trump.

We must create a country where people are working to take care of each other. pic.twitter.com/g327uGrRow

— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) October 10, 2019

Bernard Sanders brilliantly explains why beating Trump is not enough. You will never hear such passionate, convincing, articulate argument from Sleazy Pocahontas or other centrists, because they are in it for their own self-aggrandizement.

[ToBeFair]

Warren has now taken lead in RCP polling average

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...tion-6730.html

I don't know if there was any non-aggression pact between Bernie and Warren, but in hindsight, Bernie made a mistake by not distinguishing himself from Warren by highlighting her hypocrisy and lack of conviction from the get go. Politics is a blood sport and it is a primary for God's sake - and therefore Warren is as much your enemy as is Biden. Playing buddy buddy enabled Lyin' Liz to climb to the top in polls. Bernie has time to recover but he needs to act fast and act right.

[ToBeFair]

Recently when SLEAZY POCAHONTAS' had a sudden change of heart and promised to avoid dark money and embrace unilateral disarmament after Bernie released his plan to take money out of politics, I was suspicious of her overnight righteousness and said it was as credible as her cosponsoring of M4A. And in less than 24 hours, the crooked co**ar (a nick name given to her by the right wing) proved me right. She backtracked.

[ToBeFair]

With 200+ million in war chest, Brad Parscale, Trump's formidably combative campaign manager, will super focus on all the inconsistences and waffling of SLEAZY POCAHONTAS, which MSM is overlooking now, and will "carpet bomb" her with ads. Like that chemistry lady teacher in my high school who could never control a bunch of unruly boys, Madam Professor will look utterly helpless against the Bully In Chief. Despite MSM effort, Lyin' Liz will fail like Crooked H against DJT in setting/controlling the narrative, and will hand over Trump another term.

[ToBeFair]

Dear Ms. Warren: Facebook is right here, they are protecting the first amendment. You are a threat to democracy because you elected Trump by endorsing Crooked H in 2016 (the weakest and most horrible dem candidate ever, who won the nomination by cheating and rigging the process), and your ongoing spoilsport by plagiarizing Bernie ideas and being fauxgressive will reelect Trump in 2020.

Facebook already helped elect Donald Trump once. Now, they're deliberately allowing a candidate to intentionally lie to the American people.

This is a serious threat to our democracy. We need transparency and accountability from Facebook. https://t.co/anu0pWSqS5

— Elizabeth Warren (@ewarren) October 9, 2019

[ToBeFair]

Here is the major electability issue with Warren:

However, her growing popularity does not seem to be extending to outside the Democratic base.

Quinnipiac was kind enough to provide me with a crosstab of how non-potential Democratic voters (i.e. those who are not Democrats or Democratic-leaning independents) feel about Warren.
This month, she comes in with an 11% favorable rating and a 70% unfavorable rating among this group.

To win a general election, you need to:

- have your base intact
- flip some republicans
- have a large percentage of independent vote

Outside Dem electorate, Pocahontas is doing absolutely horrible. This achilles heel is an indication that she will be another WEAK general election candidate. Against Trump she will be even weaker because unseating a sitting president and a populist will require building a forbimable momentum and enthusiasm on her side, and she simply won't have it.

In this anti-establishment era, a wonky professorial technocrat like Warren WILL NOT beat a bullish street fighter like Trump. Obama won but time was different and he had soaring rhetoric. Liz is an uninspiring speaker and a shaky liar.

[ToBeFair]

I increasingly feel that AOC will endorse Warren over Bernie. Looks like another Warren like Sleazy traitor in the making. Watch out AOC. If she endorses WARren, Bernard should endorse a candidate against her to primary her and send her back to bartending.

[ToBeFair]

Bernie or Bust movement is well and alive and they will do everything necessary to make sure this SLEAZY FAKE POCAHONTAS, who was a Republican until she was 47 and voted twice for a horrible racist and neo-liberal like Reagan, is not elected POTUS

Yet there is a group of Sanders supporters active on social media who say, as they did in 2016 when he ran against Hillary Clinton, that it is "Bernie or bust." Warren may appeal to many Sanders supporters. But some of them say they will never vote for her—in either the primaries or 2020.

Victor Tiffany, an activist from New York, describes himself as the godfather of the #BernieorBust campaign, which started back in 2015. He even co-authored a book on it: Bernie or Bust: Pioneers of Electoral Revolt. And he has plenty of reasons for never voting Warren even in a two-horse race with Trump.

"Take your pick: She's 'a capitalist to her bones,' consulting with Hillary Clinton, a warmonger who's been voting for Trump's defense budgets, not especially honest, not progressive but a 'fauxgressive' Obamawannabe, and more," Tiffany tells Newsweek.


He does not believe that Warren is a strong enough candidate to defeat Trump. Or, if Trump is removed from office through the current impeachment efforts, Vice President Mike Pence. Why? The economy is performing too well.

"In 2016 Bernie or Bust was a prediction. This time, it's bigger and better organized. #BernieOrBust is a foregone conclusion whether Warren's supporters like it or not," Tiffany said. "Only Bernie has the coalition to defeat Trump unless there's a recession. Then Mickey Mouse could defeat Trump."
Yanette Rivera describes herself as a stay at home mom in Pennsylvania. She supports Sanders. And to her, it's also Bernie or bust. "I don't trust any other candidate to do what I want of a president," Rivera tells Newsweek.

"And I can't vote for any of them in the general cause I can't trust the media to keep them accountable to the public, unlike with Trump. With Trump even those that don't pay attention must and do. It shouldn't be that way but it is."

Rhonda, who did not give her surname, is a utility company worker in Michigan who loved Warren at one point but now feels let down by her. So much so that if Warren wins the race, "I cannot muster up the strength to vote for her," she tells Newsweek.

"I cannot vote for Trump, but it would take every ounce of my strength and being to cast that vote for Warren. I feel Elizabeth Warren is a vital component of the DNC machine; the same machine built to reserve the fortunes for the wealthy and keep the poor in their place."

Rhonda is middle class and her household brings in more than $100,000 a year. But the family is in "substantial debt" because of medical bills. Her three daughters are also already in debt. She had to park her own dreams of going to college because it was too expensive.

She described Warren's plans for the likes of health care and student debt as "half-hearted and full of conditions. She is fickle and she is untrustworthy. Warren takes corporate donations, how could I trust her?"

"I do not think I could vote for Warren; I will not vote for her. She cannot beat Trump. He will eat her alive in debates," she added.

https://www.newsweek.com/elizabeth-w...-polls-1464669

[ToBeFair]

A great article: Why republicans must perfect the art of lying

https://www.salon.com/2019/10/12/rep...-other-choice/

[ToBeFair]

4th Dem Debate Performance Summary (my very biased review)

Hair Sniffer Biden: Average - he somehow managed to fumble/babble less.

Booker: FAIL. He was all about love and unity. He looks a likable guy on surface but absolutely has no substance. Because he is a centrist backstabber. If love is so important, open a church and be a preacher. Don't be a politician, because politics is about fighting and problem solving.

Yang: Just don't like him. Who cares. He is a closet republican.

Beto: He was just there. That's all.

Castro: He was also just there - did not get much speaking time. He is the most likable centrist to me. In action, he is corporatist, but like Bill Deblasio, he at least puts the persona of a progressive.

Tom Stayer: Bought his presence to the stage - thus his presence alone was insulting. Totally irrelevant.

Gabbard: For those who have followed her politics closely - she has become a republican recently. She backtracked from M4A with M4A choice and later termed it as single payer plus. Also in Dave Rubin interview, her position was conservative on immigration, patriotism, and identity politics. On stage, she wanted to attack Warren, and I would love and welcome it, but she failed miserably because of the angle she approached her attack from. Lyin' Liz can be destroyed so easily. She voted for Trump's military budget. She voted for Ben Carson. Just hammer her with these facts. Instead, Tulsi went with total BS like questioning whether Liz has the temperament to be commander in chief. It FAILED. I don't mind her failing - she is just another Islamophobic, hindu nationalist (during recent Modi visit she published a poster where she addressed Modi as Modi JI), swindling opportunist closet republican.

Crooked Kamala Demon Harris: It is a pure joke that she is running for POTUS. Her biggest issue was she wanted to ban Trump from twitter, and she tried to force Warren to agree with her Enough said.

Pesky Pete: He was a total DISGRACE. I don't think I have seen a politician who comes across as more smug, dismissing, arrogant, elitist, and insufferable than BootyJudge. Fake mechanical delivery of prepared talking points, centrist though and through. EPIC FAIL.

Klobuchar: This 1% lady thought she will break away by attacking Elizabeth Warren. Attack she did, but it did not land. Because centrists have been exposed and they have no attack line left. How will you pay for it or I am pragmatic (meaning republican) is outdated and frankly comes across as pandering and exasperating. What is even more comical is Klobuchar also does not have the self-awareness to understand that her blows did not land on Warren at all. She thought she nailed it. Another big loser of the night. Yuge fail.

Lyin' Liz: Got the most speaking time - but her wonky professorial way of speaking did not land with me. Not sure why she is unable to give a clear answer that M4A will raise tax but overall cost will go down. Overall good performance nonetheless.

Sanders: Winner. Moderators kept dismissing and disrespecting him on his face, but he kept his cool and even smiled back at them - his magnanimity is unparalleled in politics of our time. He looked fresh - gave passionate, to the point answers. Even though winner, was it a breakout performance? NO, because he did not take on Warren. He took on Biden but mildly and even pre-ambled that with "he is my friend" BS.

Biggest LOSER: CNN, their propping up of Pesky Pete and Klobuchar and giving them more speaking time than Yang and Bernie. The moderators were smug through and through.

Another biggest loser is DNC for putting all 12 candidates together. Should have split 6-6.

Biggest Winner: AOC, Tlaib, and Ilhan Omar endorsing Bernie I am glad that they made the right decision. Had they endorsed Warren, it would forever be a black mark on their progressive bonafide. Warren is probably sad, but she should not be. Her buddy Hillary-Kissinger-is-my-bestie-Clinton will definitely reciprocate her 2016 favor.

[Fazal]

.... and my unbiased opinion?


.... too bad Sanders will most likely have his 2nd heart Attach pretty soon.

[ToBeFair]

Originally Posted by Fazal
.... and my unbiased opinion?


.... too bad Sanders will most likely have his 2nd heart Attach pretty soon.

FAKE NEWS!

[ToBeFair]

26,000 thousand showed up at Bernie's back rally, 10,000 could not be admitted because there was no space.

Corporate Media: When will Bernie drop out?

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by ToBeFair
4th Dem Debate Performance Summary (my very biased review)

..........snip....

Read like FP!!


But you are a tough crowd...lol.

[Zeeshan]

TBF, what' your thought on Marianna Williamson? LOL!!!

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by ToBeFair
Let me make a bold but very easy prediction: If the democratic nominee is anyone but Bernie, be ready for four more years of Trump.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. The country didn't exactly go to hell in a handbasket under Trump. No war. Blacks are happy. My Latinos are happy. The A-rabs are happy. Everyone is happy. Even Kanye is happy. And Kanye doesn't smile.

No seriously, I'd get withdrawal syndrome of pure political entertainment should Trump era end.

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by ToBeFair
A new controversy broke out about Liz Warren but I cannot mention it here because it is a PG 13 forum

What? That she is a lesbo? I mean who knew right?

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by ToBeFair
26,000 thousand showed up at Bernie's back rally, 10,000 could not be admitted because there was no space.

Corporate Media: When will Bernie drop out?

Don't mean to bring spirituality into this, but imho God has higher plan. My INTUITION is that God will force Bernie to lose since he is too honest to be destroyed by a corrupt, rotten government and media. This is his last years. He needs to enjoy it in peace smelling the roses. It's just good for everyone.

Trump redux will be boon for economy and just keep the country in homeostasis. I am PRETTY CONFIDENT this election is for Trump to take.

As an aside, Trump is a role model on how to rock a life like a rockstar in the final years of life instead of caving in to old age. Everyone needs to take a lesson from his playbook.

You said it half-jestfully but Trump is a troll. That's what he really is. He is not pure plain evil. He is not dumb. He is not ultra conservative nor neo-liberal...but a moderate under the guise of a Republican he ran the show, the stage and final years of his life.

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by ToBeFair
The sooner this thug dies (if not literally, then definitely politically), the quicker this world becomes a better place.

Imagine he dies... LOL!

[ToBeFair]

Originally Posted by Zeeshan
TBF, what' your thought on Marianna Williamson? LOL!!!

Not a fan of Kobiraj. She is another crook.

[ToBeFair]

Originally Posted by Zeeshan
You said it half-jestfully but Trump is a troll. That's what he really is. He is not pure plain evil. He is not dumb. He is not ultra conservative nor neo-liberal...but a moderate under the guise of a Republican he ran the show, the stage and final years of his life.

I did not say it half-jestfully. There is no doubt that Trump trolls- the only doubt is whether he does it consciously. I think he does it consciously. He knows very well that corporate media will never discuss issues important to people or real solutions to problems - so Trump trolls consciously knowing media will pick it up, create fake outrage, and thereby allow him to control the narrative.

Trump is neither a moderate, nor republican, nor democrat. His only core is he worships himself alone. It's all about him, his wealth. And he wants constant attention - without it he will die.

Trump is definitely not dumb. Only dumb out of touch elites like Hillary Clinton and corporate politicians think he is dumb. As Harry Reid recently said, Trump is no intellectual powerhouse, but he is definitely smart.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/12/p...ntv/index.html

[ToBeFair]

Election Update:

1. Biden ship is sinking Because $$$ running out

2. Crooked Hillary contemplating running again. Seriously

3. Democratic elites are afraid of Bernie's revolution, but for the time being, they pretend Bernie does not exist

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...H91?li=BBnbfcL

[ToBeFair]

Originally Posted by Zeeshan
As an aside, Trump is a role model on how to rock a life like a rockstar in the final years of life instead of caving in to old age. Everyone needs to take a lesson from his playbook.

Trump is no role model. He is no genius either. He is simply lucky.

Read this article: There Won't Be a "Next" Donald Trump. Here's Why.

What did he tap into? The Orangeman found a political system that was broken. One side, the elite, was staffed by goofy, rigid, slow-blinking suits who recycled lobbyist talking points. On the other side was the public, who desperately wanted change. Of that public, a subsection of them were white supremacist Boomers and disaffected suburbanites with Jet Skis and weird opinions about Muslims. Trump leaned into these voters. Through them, he scored the GOP nomination, obliging the Republicans to vote for him in fear of Hillary. The failures of the Clinton campaign, 40 years of centrism, and a perfect storm of political mistakes led to Donald Trump becoming president. That’s the 2016 election in a nutshell.

Opinions vary. But the reality’s simple. Trump is not a genius of politics. He’s not a universe-warping world-historical figure who bent the times around him. He’s a grasping showman who found opportunities arranged to his liking, and made the best of a weird situation. As the corrupt Tammany Boss George Plunkitt once said, “”I seen my opportunities and I took ‘em.” That doesn’t make him a force of nature. If lucky breaks were the whole secret to worldly success, than any meth dealer who won the lotto could be the peer of Warren Buffet.

I need to repeat this, because this part is the whole ball game: These system-breakers are not products of the system. That is why they are successful and noticed. Bernie and Trump are outliers: guys who were outside of the established political order, and survived despite this.

The system is cruel, and it is unfair, and it is unpopular. Political movement belongs to the outsiders now.

3. Trump himself isn’t Trump. He is now what he was in 1960, and 1970, and 1980, and every decade after that: a rich kid who won the lottery of life.