Batting comparisons between Zimbabwe and Bangladesh

[Spitfire_x86]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
i agree, but i'm just saying since you wouldn't afford that "excuse" to our guys (remember Sakib's early 67* score and the row that created amongst BC members about it being a "selfish" innings?) its only fair to not afford it to sean williams or any other player from any other team. today sakib is our superstar, and the epitomy of "team player" and unselfish. 90% of our hopes rest on him. he's not a different person, just more experienced.

Most remain the more or less same player they were in the beginning, I'm glad Sakib turned out different. Many people before him came and played one or two crappy innings like that 67* and soon went out of the picture as it became evident they don't have what it takes to be an quality international player.

after all dhoni has an average which surpasses tendulkar due to a high number of unbeaten innings and low batting position, but he ins't a quarter the batsman that SRT is.

Both are excellent performers in their roles and match winners. That's what statistics suggest, not aesthetic qualities of a players' game. Both are indispensable to their team in a good way, not in the Ashraful way

[al Furqaan]

Most remain the more or less same player they were in the beginning, I'm glad Sakib turned out different. Many people before him came and played one or two crappy innings like that 67* and soon went out of the picture as it became evident they don't have what it takes to be an quality international player.

well i didn't think it was that crappy of an innings. it was a guy playing his first match against top sides, with a murali in the attack. the key to scoring big runs is staying at the crease, which is what unbeaten knocks indicate. runs will come if you just occupy the crease. especially in the new powerplay and the slog overs. look at utseya las match, 8 off his first 62 deliveries and ended the innings with a 35 or 40 SR.

at any rate, sakib has 11 unbeatens in 59 matches, and williams 5 in 30. exactly equal percentages. given that both are middle order batsman, the runs per innings stat is very relevant, and gives sakib a fair edge.

IMO, we need more "crappy" innings like that one.

[CholCholBD]

get the stats games a break....it doesnt really matter except giving some general guidance....

Think abt it this way...if you arent willing to put a $1000 on what you say, all the world's research stats wouldnt make the case for u.

[ausbangfan]

Originally Posted by battye
Do you know what each teams average score is for the first innings?

VS Full Members in the last 2 years
Bangladesh average 1st inns score- 176
Zimbabwe average 1st inns score- 191

[sbsash]

good find (research)

[nzfan]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
Nice statistics. But I would like to put a different spin on the numbers.

1) For Zimbabwe, out of the 12 matches 5 of them were at Harere and 5 of them in Pakistan. So 10 out of 12 matches in flat batting pitches. If you considered the opponent score and see the difference then you may have a better comparison of two teams. Just my personal opinion. 83% in flat beds.

On the other hand, BD played 9 games at Pakistan pitches and Chittagong pitch. I would like to add 3 more matches of Dhaka to the flat pitch count cause at that time the pitch reacted that way. Total of 12 games out of 27 games in decent batting tracks. 44% in flat bed.

You do the math.

2) Opponents:
We faced SA five times, Aus three times and add 3 games at NZ. In difficulty scale these 11 games are far harder than facing Pakistan, SL and Zim.

So a weighted average could help see us the bigger picture.

3) Only reason Zim batting is somewhat good is the because of the consistency in their lineup for the last two years. We shuffle players, players position too much. That is why we don't have consistency.

Bottom line is we have won against NZ and SL with this type of crapy score. Whereas, Zim could only manage two wins against us. There batting is not even close to our A team. Their application is better than us, far better.

The pitches iN harare were not flat, they were pretty similar to the pitches in the recent and current series

[Spitfire_x86]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
runs will come if you just occupy the crease. especially in the new powerplay and the slog overs. look at utseya las match, 8 off his first 62 deliveries and ended the innings with a 35 or 40 SR.

Not if the team is Bangladesh. 3rd PPs were total waste in the final against SL and the first match of ZIM series, although we ended up batting nearly full 50 overs.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Spitfire_x86
Not if the team is Bangladesh. 3rd PPs were total waste in the final against SL and the first match of ZIM series, although we ended up batting nearly full 50 overs.

thats just two games, mate.

i remember scoring 80-ish runs against the ozzies in the slog overs, 70+ against the saffers with pollock - those 2 should balance the other two.

besides on the same wickets, in the same tournament, SL failed to score more than 5 rpo in a 30-30 match.

and then they wallopped 219 and 290 on flatter tracks in pakistan later that week.

relativity.

[Spitfire_x86]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
thats just two games, mate.

i remember scoring 80-ish runs against the ozzies in the slog overs, 70+ against the saffers with pollock - those 2 should balance the other two.

No it doesn't. Generally the pattern is if we utilize slog overs properly in 1 match, we can't in 5 matches. The only part of our ODI batting that is in worse condition is utilizing first 15 overs of

besides on the same wickets, in the same tournament, SL failed to score more than 5 rpo in a 30-30 match.[/QUOTE]

and then they wallopped 219 and 290 on flatter tracks in pakistan later that week.

relativity.

219 was a poor score in a flat batting track, and they got comprehensively beaten in that match. In both matches the in-form Dilshan made the difference. The primary reason they didn't do well in Bangladesh ODIs was Sangakara and Mahela's poor form (Dilshan was also absent in the ODIs), pitch is the next reason. These two aren't doing much better even in the flat tracks ATM

[One World]

This thread could turn into an article beforehand. Elapsed and proven without Shakib we are nothing.