**** The Mohammed Ashraful Thread ****

[BengaliPagol]

^Ashraful hater.

[shuridh]

@bengali pagol to get haters one needs to become successful.
You need something to even get haters.
Mr.matin is a proven failure.
He does not have any quality now.
I just has strong dislike for selfish player and who even after getting hundred chance.
Matin is finished.
He has nothing more to offer bd cricket.

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[parvez]

He scored highest total among the Bd batsmen and 2nd highest total in the series with better strike rate than our so called power opening batsman "Tamim". But still some haters talking too much here

[shuridh]

Originally Posted by parvez
He scored highest total among the Bd batsmen and 2nd highest total in the series with better strike rate than our so called power opening batsman "Tamim". But still some haters talking too much here

tamim s/r was better than ash in this series you can check it.
Matin play selfishly for himself.
Its pointless not worthy to mention even you score 50runs in a t20match with 90s/r.
In t20 it is not only run but s/r which deterimine it.
You can't survive intl t20cricket with 85-90s/r its no way acceptable does not matter how many runs you score at that rate.

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[Sohel]

^What's with the line by line, poetry format bro?

[Rabz]

Originally Posted by shuridh
tamim s/r was better than ash in this series you can check it.

Just checked:

[IMG]

Babbling too much without fact can sometimes make you look like an idiot.
Just thought you should know.

[parvez]

Originally Posted by shuridh
tamim s/r was better than ash in this series you can check it.

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you better check....

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...73;type=series

[Rabz]

Originally Posted by shakibrulz
By the way I don't see the point of posting all time stats instead of current form over past two series.

Well, let us have a look first :



Mohammed Ashraful :
-Highest Run Scorer in T20I ( 81 runs better than 2nd highest)
-One of the BEST STRIKING RATE ( Best amongst current list of batsman)
-Have the highest number of 50s, Infact, NO OTHER BANGLADESHI BATSMAN have 2 50's in T20 Internationals
- Have the highest number of 4's and 6's combined (37+9=46). Next best 40.

But that isn't good enough for you.
You want past two series.

Ok, no problem.
Let's have a look.

First, Zimbabwe Tri Series.



Oh my !!
Mohammed Ashraful
Highest run scorer for Bangladesh.
Highest numbers of 4's and 6's (16)

Ok, moving on.
Just concluded Irish Series.



Mohammed Ashraful top scorer for Bangladesh again

Consistent top scorer of the team for the past two series, leading the pack for all time record.
Enough said.

[shakibrulz]

Originally Posted by Rabz
Well, let us have a look first :




Consistent top scorer of the team for the past two series, leading the pack for all time record.

Enough said.

Enough said what? Perhaps you've missed this?

Originally Posted by shakibrulz
His combined s/r is around in the 100's, and his average isn't that mindblowing either if you take into account the s/r. He played most matches along with Mullah & Mushy etc., opened the innings, and played reasonably slow in most matches - why wouldn't you expect him to be the top scorer exactly? We have seen this sort of batting from Mullah too in the past, stats boosting, and nothing else.

The one good innings he has played was against Saffers, I grant that. But besides that, he has been below par.

Simply saying OMG top scorer! without taking into account all facts is just pointless.

[Rabz]

Originally Posted by shakibrulz
Enough said what? Perhaps you've missed this?

Simply saying OMG top scorer! without taking into account all facts is just pointless.

Its called "Jare dekhte nari, tar cholon baka".
Roughly translated, faults are thick where love is thin.

With Ash, it has been a case of
damned if you do.
damned if you dont.

[shakibrulz]

Originally Posted by Rabz
Roughly translated, faults are thick where love is thin.

With Ash, it has been a case of
damned if you do.
damned if you dont.

Or it could work otherwise too: faults are thin when love is thick. Pointless rhetorics, that's all.

If you think somehow his average and s/r is good enough for an opener, then it's pointless arguing about anything really.
PS: And I've over and over stated that I have absolutely no issue with him getting out even if it's some 15-19ish scores with a good strikerate, I did defend him when he did that. Heck, even his 40 against SA was fine in the context and I did state that multiple times. So I'm not sure how that "damned if you do.." rhetoric applies here.

[BengaliPagol]

Originally Posted by shakibrulz
Or it could work otherwise too: faults are thin when love is thick. Pointless rhetorics, that's all.

If you think somehow his average and s/r is good enough for an opener, then it's pointless arguing about anything really.
PS: And I've over and over stated that I have absolutely no issue with him getting out even if it's some 15-19ish scores with a good strikerate, I did defend him when he did that. Heck, even his 40 against SA was fine in the context and I did state that multiple times. So I'm not sure how that "damned if you do.." rhetoric applies here.

Rabz bhai presented cold hard facts which proves that Ashraful is an asset to the BD T20 team. His past performances have proved he has been effective and also Rabz Bhai proved that he has been doing good enough recently. So what is your problem with Ashraful?

[BengaliPagol]

Originally Posted by shuridh
tamim s/r was better than ash in this series you can check it.

Your statement is false and you have just proved that you are an Ashraful hater. Ashraful has been more effective then Tamim in T20s. Whatever your opinion may be of him he will remain an asset in this format. Period.

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by shakibrulz
The current batting lineup is more than capable of batting the 20 overs. And Ash has all except once lasted for long (his 40 was fine in the context of the match). He almost ALWAYS bats slow, gets out for 20-30's and leaves the hitting to Mushy, Mullah, Zia etc. Do you think this is gonna work against top class teams? Well, good luck with that.

so what do you say now??

It's foolish to dream like every player will come and score @ 140/150 SR, just because it's T20. Even a T20 innings needs to be constructed and build like a team. Not a game of whacking 140 SR individual players.

If it wasn't Ashraful's batting to keep an end intact, we would have lost both the matches against Ire.

Let this defeat be a lesson for all dreaming, unrealistic, Ash hating BD fans...

[kiwibd]

some people are just programmed to hate on certain players, doesen't matter what facts are given to them or how well a player performs, they just wait and wait until they fail or blindly argue their point.. Sir Ash has been an asset to the team in the past 2 tours, now if he can contribute with a few overs in the odis, he will perhaps find a way back in the team.

[z777]

Don't blame Ashy. He did his job in 3 matches against Ireland. You cannot expect him to deliver in all the matches. Jai Ho!

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by Sohel NR
^What's with the line by line, poetry format bro?

LOL, he is posting from mobile version. That's why. :-]

[shakibrulz]

Originally Posted by BANFAN
so what do you say now??
.

Absolutely NOTHING has changed. Players didn't lose wickets because they couldn't bat the 20 overs, but because the Required runrate was out of reach. They had to hit out in the end anyways. If Ash had played the sort of 96-105 s/r innings as he usually does, it wouldn't have made a damn difference. Do you seriously think so?

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by shakibrulz
Absolutely NOTHING has changed. Players didn't lose wickets because they couldn't bat the 20 overs, but because the Required runrate was out of reach. They had to hit out in the end anyways. If Ash had played the sort of 96-105 s/r innings as he usually does, it wouldn't have made a damn difference. Do you seriously think so?

So why was the RRR? Ash didn't play a slow innings!! And let me remind your statement: "The current batting line up is more than capable of batting 20 over" so what happened today to their capabilities?? Don't bring up some ifs and buts. It was an unequivocal statement.

I have started to have doubt on how much you understand cricket as a team game and how much you understand BD team beyond your fav player. Sorry to say that, but that's what I seriously feel. Probably you are too much bogged down watching your fav players only. Or you are so blinded by hate for a player, that you just lose it here. .

I had similar feelings reading your above posts arguing with Rabz as well.

No point discussing with you...

[kiwibd]

After reading the posts on this forum for the last few months, I really really think that in some cases people just don't understand the game of cricket or how batting and bowling works. So in future ill just think of these people as ignorant of the game and not stupid like they seem.

[shakibrulz]

Originally Posted by BANFAN
So why was the RRR? Ash didn't play a slow innings!! And let me remind your statement: "The current batting line up is more than capable of batting 20 over" so what happened today to their capabilities?? Don't bring up some ifs and buts. It was an unequivocal statement.

What? You quoted my entirely out of context and now you say no if and buts? Here was the quote I was responding to:

What's the point of such SR if you can't bat 20 overs?? .

i.e. when you were implying that there is no point in scoring at good s/r if the team can't bat entire 20 overs and Ash's 90-100 s/r was somehow 'stabilizing' the team. The RRR was high because they had already bowled crap and opening partnership didn't click either. If he had played the same 90 s/r innings today, how would have the scenario been different exactly?

Yeah right, I'm the one who's clearly ignorant of cricket as a team game for merely pointing out how 90 s/r 25-30's is way below par for any team in T20s. Sure.

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by shakibrulz
Yeah right, I'm the one who's clearly ignorant of cricket as a team game for merely pointing out how 90 s/r 25-30's is way below par for any team in T20s. Sure.

There you go! Just concede and ignore. Ignorance is bliss. And bliss is what we should all strive for ...

Ash's stylings in this series can be useful only when he is playing an anchor role. But if wickets are falling, he needs to step up. That stepping up is what has been missing from his game. He is all about self-preservation - seems to me.

If method of self-preservation happens to align with need of the team then Ash looks reasonably okay. But otherwise, he actually harms the mission.

[Jadukor]

in the last game though he paid the price by going for a side mission and getting himself run out

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by Rabz
Its called "Jare dekhte nari, tar cholon baka".
Roughly translated, faults are thick where love is thin.

With Ash, it has been a case of
damned if you do.
damned if you dont.

Rabz, my man, what if "jaar cholon asholei baka, takey ami dekhte pari na"?

Reality is - Ash is a great Danguli player. His motor skills i.e. hand-eye coordination is great. But he lacks in grey matter. His occasional cross batted swats, wild hooks and pulls, the paddle sweeps etc look great when they work out. But he just does not understand match situation and he just does not have the capacity to see beyond the moment in time.

You are right. Damned if he does. Damned if he doesn't. Because he does when he shouldn't and he doesn't when he should.

[oronnya]

even an anchor should know how to rotate the strike not just block the balls.. gggrrrrrrrr... this is the problem of both our openers Ash and Tamim and both of them gets out by playing ugly shots .. In fact it has been the problem of all our batsmen except Shakib and Nasir may be.. No point in blaming Ash alone actually.. All of them are pathetic.. Now even Shakib has become ordinary... ki r bolbo.. They seriously need to work on their weaknesses..