Bursting the Shakib Bubble - Page 2

Tigers_eye · #26 July 30, 2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Beamer
But, unlike Ganguly, Sakib can walk into the team as a specialist spinner only. I do find some resemblance of Ganguly in Sakib's batting. Both struggle a bit against bouncy deliveries and both can punish the full ones on the off side. Ganguly was a lousy fielder though. Mentally if Sakib can be like anywhere close to Ganguly, then we are in safe hands. Ganguly was a good skipper too.

Imagine a Bangladeshi bowler getting 10,000+ runs!!! Damn!!! Watch out world.

By the way, dear Dissimilar, who in your books gets an "A" compared to Shakib? I'd like to know your grading style. If all other gets a "C" or C+, I can live with Shakib's "B".

Purbasha T · #27 July 30, 2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
Thank you thank you thank you. At least one other being on this board agrees that technique is overrated to some extent.

Kothay jeno dekechhi!

different · #28 July 30, 2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
Imagine a Bangladeshi bowler getting 10,000+ runs!!! Damn!!! Watch out world.

By the way, dear Dissimilar, who in your books gets an "A" compared to Shakib? I'd like to know your grading style. If all other gets a "C" or C+, I can live with Shakib's "B".

maybe this A, B, C, D grading is confusing you. I'd keep, Tamim, Imroze , Ashraful, Imrul, Aftab, Abir, Rocky et al before Shakib. (now some of them may have temperment issues - but this is only judging by their batting style)

Tigers_eye · #29 July 30, 2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by different
maybe this A, B, C, D grading is confusing you. I'd keep, Tamim, Imroze , Ashraful, Imrul, Aftab, Abir, Rocky et al before Shakib. (now some of them may have temperment issues - but this is only judging by their batting style)

Joka!!!! What happened to your other ID? By the way, Football is its real name.

Ashfaq · #30 July 30, 2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by different
maybe this A, B, C, D grading is confusing you. I'd keep, Tamim, Imroze , Ashraful, Imrul, Aftab, Abir, Rocky et al before Shakib. (now some of them may have temperment issues - but this is only judging by their batting style)

If you wan't to be a connoisseur, that's not the way to go. I'd rate Ash's battingstyle in a league of it's own. But really, how many times a year do we get to see him bat more than 10 balls. Yep, Shak's technique is severly flawed. But with his flawed technique, he playes better than many.

As for the rest, you must be joking. Tamim, SN, Rock have no better technique than Shak. All of them bring the bat down from Gully, Fish around off and is suspect against inswing. Rock, with his "won't move his legs" is always suspect against full widish deliveries and yorker.

Aftab? Honestly? If I bowl spin, he'll get out playing across. Really, one faster ball is all that takes to dislodge this guy.

bd-omi · #31 July 30, 2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RazabQ
As Mod - Omi question the message, not the messenger

Sorry if I've breached any rules.

**Zunaid** · #32 July 30, 2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
Thank you thank you thank you. At least one other being on this board agrees that technique is overrated to some extent.

If it were not so, we would have Alok would be the most popular of all cricketers on BC and not currently consigned to the same dustbin as Ash et al. And I say this as a big Alok fan.

Beamer · #33 July 30, 2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Zunaid
If it were not so, we would have Alok would be the most popular of all cricketers on BC and not currently consigned to the same dustbin as Ash et al. And I say this as a big Alok fan.

He will be back with a bang one day inshallah! That dustbin will be a collectors item that I will outbid anybody on e-bay. No $ 10 jokes either now.

bujhee kom · #34 July 30, 2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
Joka!!!! What happened to your other ID? By the way, Football is its real name.

Righto Mijan bhai...is joka a different socca mia = soccer20reverse bhai?

WarWolf · #35 July 30, 2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by different
sooner or later the lack of technique will catch-up with you. Shakib's batting lloks like Ganguly's more than Sehwag. A lot of ditermination and grit but lacking fundamentals. Like Ganguly, he will go through long bad patchs and will have hard time recovering form (when he hits a bad patch).

I think like Ganguly his only and key strength is his mind.

If lacking technique gets him anywhere closer to Ganguly I would be more than happy.

The stats for Ganguly as a batsman.

	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	4s	6s	Ct
Tests	113	188	17	7212	239	42.17	14070	51.25	16	35	900	57	71
ODIs	311	300	23	11363	183	41.02	15416	73.70	22	72	1122	190	100
First-class	242	383	43	14933	239	43.92			31	85			165
List A	426	410	42	15278	183	41.51			31	94			130
Twenty20	44	41	2	915	91	23.46	864	105.90	0	4	93	30	14

shaad · #36 July 30, 2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zunaid
If it were not so, we would have Alok would be the most popular of all cricketers on BC and not currently consigned to the same dustbin as Ash et al. And I say this as a big Alok fan.

Darn, Z, you beat me to that very same comment.

Zeeshan · #37 July 30, 2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by shaad
Darn, Z, you beat me to that very same comment.

Well...thinking alike _IS_ common in hoi polloi.

Fazal · #38 July 30, 2009, 03:23 PM

Boroyee Kothin master. Pass kora khubee kothin.

Zeeshan · #39 July 30, 2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fazal
Boroyee Kothin master. Pass kora khubee kothin.

Do what I do....CHEAT!

Ek bar shunsilam madrasar polapain naki bathroomey giya cheat koira sura flush kore taina dey....not sure if the stories are apocryphal, but if there is veracity in them, those _DO_ show how hypocritical we are.

Shoikoth · #40 July 30, 2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by different
I posted this in another thread but its worth a discussion on its own.
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sorry to break the bubble. but Shakib is not the best. Here are my ratings;

Batting : C+ (Horrible technique for the sohrt and rising fast ball on the middle or leg, ok on the off side. He will never be a classical top four batsman.)
Bowling: B- (decent SLA -- nothing to write home about)
Fielding: B+ (good athletic fielder)
Captaincy: B (Introvert. looses temper when he bowls and a fielder misses. How well can he connect with others in the team with an inflated ego.)
Mental Strength : A+ (This is where he is clearly superior than everyone else. Strives for the best at every aspect. Best display temperment among all the current Bangladeshi players)

Batting: C + --> you are quite correct, when measured relative to the best batsmen in the circuit.

Bowling: B + --> especially if you evaluate his last 24 months

Fielding: B+ --> good and reliable fielder

Captaincy: will reserve judgement after playing against a Test team with full force

Mental Strength: A- --> needs to prove that he really is strong, over a longer period and despite repeated challenges.

WarWolf · #41 July 30, 2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoikoth
Batting: C + --> you are quite correct, when measured relative to the best batsmen in the circuit.
Fielding: B+ --> good and reliable fielder

B+ means just above average and 60% marks. I don't think he is too poor.

mij · #42 July 30, 2009, 04:04 PM

Who care's about how he is, don't care about rating, batting, fielding, Bowling. As long as he can perform and gets us wining.

Shoikoth · #43 July 30, 2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WarWolf
B+ means just above average and 60% marks. I don't think he is too poor.

what is a mark ? is it a spot somewhere ?

on my scale, B+ is 80 - 90 / 100 score.

WarWolf · #44 July 30, 2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoikoth
what is a mark ? is it a spot somewhere ?

on my scale, B+ is 80 - 90 / 100 score.

It's too tough. What would be A+ in your scale?

Tigers_eye · #45 July 30, 2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WarWolf
It's too tough. What would be A+ in your scale?

Normal US colleges use:

100-95	A	76-74	C
94-90	A-	73-70	C-
89-87	B+	69-67	D+
86-84	B	66-64	D
83-80	B-	63-60	D-
79-77	C+	59 or <	F

alibangali · #46 July 30, 2009, 04:38 PM

in england

A*=90%+
A=70%-89%
B=60%-69%
C=50%-59%
D=40%-49%
E=30%-39%
F=0%-29%
U= Non attendance/Disqualification.

As a cricketer i would rate shakib at B as i want him to improve and become world class.
When his batting average is 40+ and bowling average <30 i would give him A.
A* if his batting is 50+ and bowling <20.

AS A BD CRICKETER he is already A by our standards if not A* LOL

Roni_uk · #47 July 30, 2009, 05:33 PM

Bubble will burst as soon as we play against a big 'real' team.

simon · #48 July 30, 2009, 05:48 PM

eto kisu bujhi na.
He is the best & the most balanced allrounder,1 of the best fielder in the team.
Be patient & let Sakib continue & then talk again.
eto lekha lekhir ki asey?

sadhat · #49 July 30, 2009, 06:03 PM

Shakib, hailed by the former Australian spinner Kerry O' Keefe as the "best finger spinner in the world", turned in a suffocating spell of left-arm spin to relentlessly force the pressure on West Indies
http://www.nowpublic.com/sports/bang...st-west-indies

I think Kerry already rated Shakib. There is no room for rating again by an annoynomous cricket guru.

MarufH · #50 July 30, 2009, 06:17 PM

Here is my take on it... (last week, before you created this thread)

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Originally Posted by MarufH
No, not yet. Let me explain.

What Shakib is going through is combination of LUCK and Sheer CONFIDENCE. (Also hard work)

Look, we all know his batting technique leaves a lot to be desired. For example, he played really aggressive 2nd test - 2nd innings, if he got out playing one of those shots, we are the one would be asking for his head. (e.g. Look up the thread, who decided to bat first in second test)

So here is the deal, I hope he can continue improving and keep delivering. Cause end of the, that's all matters... not fluke talent like Ashraful.