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Old February 5, 2003, 03:22 PM
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Default Banglacricket announces lineup against Canada

rokon
ehsanul
ashraful
bashar
sanwar
kapali
pilot
rafique
mashrafee
tapash
manjurul

12th man: talha jubair
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Old February 5, 2003, 03:30 PM
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Let Ash open and Seezan come at 4.
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Old February 5, 2003, 03:31 PM
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I would rather keep the winning squad intact.
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Old February 5, 2003, 04:24 PM
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I couldnt' agree more with Rafiq bhai. Bd_cricket, you have a point about keeping a winning team intact, but this is not the best team we have. Atleast Ashraful must come back. I think Ashraful and Sanwar will both strengthen our batting. Hannan and Tushar must make way.

I was hoping that Tushar would stay till the end with Seezan and see the match through. But he got out after scoring 18, that too stumped, when there was no need to step out of the crease and take risks. After Seezan and Rokon's partnership, we just needed to coast at about 4.5 an over. This was the perfect opportunity for Tushar to spend some time in the middle. But he didn't. As for Hannan, I don't think anyone will dispute his exclusion from the next match.

Raj bhai, you make a very good point, and I think it should be considered. If Seezan is more comfortable coming in at 4, I am sure Ash wouldn't mind opening, especially since that is his natural batting position. Moreover, coming in at 3 for BD is like opening anyway, so it won't make a big difference for him.
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Old February 5, 2003, 06:13 PM
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Default 5th bowler

We've had a problem with our 5th bowler
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Old February 5, 2003, 06:31 PM
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it's not so much that there is no 5th bowler, but that pilot is not rotating them properly. the team on this thread has 8 bowlers for god's sake. the 4 front line bowlers need to bowl close to their quota, and surely we can get a reasonable 10-12 overs from the other 4?
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Old February 5, 2003, 06:37 PM
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i would also like to see more frequent bowler changes. not just to stem the tide when the kapalis and ehsanuls are getting hammered. whenever a new bowler is introduced, the batsmen need a few balls to figure him out. with our extra bowlers, more frequent changes in overs 25-40 will help contain more and who knows, maybe even produce wickets. i know that sounds weird but it may work better.

pilot seems to want to play each bowler at a stretch before making a change. anyone have pilot's cell number down in south africa?
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Old February 5, 2003, 06:39 PM
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the only realistic problem with ash opening is they have been focusing on hannan-ehsanul-rokon and have not tried ash as opener. they may not want to experiment with the real games, even though they have been experimenting with ehsan and rokon in different positions and it seems to have rejuvenated their batting.
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Old February 5, 2003, 08:03 PM
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Default This side looks good...

Rafiq bhai's suggesstion looks quite promising. I have a bit of reservation with Ash being at no3, I'd rather have him open and have rokon playing a bit lower. But overall I think this will give us the best shot at the WC matches.
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Old February 5, 2003, 08:25 PM
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Under a different thread (Bangladesh Innings 2) I had suggested the exact same team as Rafiq has here. I had initially put Hannan as an opener, but with Ehsanul's innings today I would have him instead of Hannan. However, I did state that against test teams it would be very prudent to include Talha with the existing 4 front line bowlers. I think that is absolutely a must, if we are to perform respectably. I do not think adding an additional batsman would add 30 more runs, but playing one front line bowler short could easily cost 30 more runs against test teams.

Believe me between our sweet dreams and shattered ones would be our batsmen. If they perform as a group we will not be disappointed. The other option we know too well. Once again, I must add that Sumon is not doing justice to himself or to the team. Who knows he might just strike when it will matter the most. Hoping against hope!
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Old February 5, 2003, 10:09 PM
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Adding Talha would mean having 5 specialist bowlers. No team goes in with 5 specialist bowlers in an ODI. Especially not when we have 4 others who can bowl 10 overs between them.

Once again, Rafiq bhai is right. The problem is not with a 5th bowler, but the way to handle that option. Pilot has not done a good job thus far. I mean, he doesn't think about it, it just seems like he flips a coin on the morning of a match about which fifth bowler to use that day and then sticks with him, even if he costs 70 runs. Sometimes, like today for example, he gets so caught up with the fifth bowling option that he fails to give his regular bowlers their full quota. Only Rafique out of the regular bowlers got 10 overs today, Tapash, Monju and Masri didn't. Yet Kapali got 10, and got smashed for 70.

I think Kapali is still probably our best 5th option. However, he does have hot and cold days with the ball. So the point is to give him a couple of overs and if those do not go well, again like today when he gave away like 16 in his first two, try out Sanwar, Ash or Seezan. Sanwar actually bowls pretty economically. He did well against WI. We should use him more.

I personally like Talha a lot, but we seriously can't have Monju, Masri, Tapash, Talha and Rafique. That would leave 6 batsmen, one of which has to be Pilot. So 5 specialist batsmen. That makes the batting far too week.
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Old February 5, 2003, 11:15 PM
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I think the team combination will be exactly the same as the 2nd warm up match against Canada.

I also think that this is why Bangladesh players performed better - because they were told in a team meeting or something that this is the line up for Canada, so get some runs and lets win this match (2nd warm up).

Also, since the players knew it that they would not be dropped for the first world cup match against Canada, so they performed better - without any fear or pressure of not being in the side for the next match.
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Old February 5, 2003, 11:38 PM
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Default Same line-up for first match ?

You gotta be kidding me. Leave out Sanwar and Ashraful and keep Hannan and Tusher ? Or was it just an assumption ?

Just because the team won, doesn't mean the combination was right. It's just that the batsmen clicked. The ones that would have failed anyways (sumon, Hannan and Tusher), DID fail.

In defence of cricket46, I think the 5 bowler idea came from the utter uselessness of our middle order bats. Some of them have pretyt much the same kind of average as the bowlers with one or two decent knocks making the difference. However, it will be better to go in with an extra batsmen and rely on pilot's rotation policy to work the temps around for the 10 overs. Hopefully he won't keep on betting on the losing horse as he did on kapali today. Kudos to kapali for making it easier for the pacers by taking those wickets. If he hadn't, the score could have looked a little healthier for KZn. You can also argue that it could have been weaker if Kapali hadn't bowl his 10.

[Edited on 6-2-2003 by tehsin]
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Old February 5, 2003, 11:39 PM
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Fwullah, do you know that to be the case or are you just guessing? If you are just guessing, then you are basing qiute a lot on an assumption that I don't think is accurate. What you say does make sense. However, do you really think that they would drop Ash and take Tushar instead? Or even Hannan or Seezan. I dont know about the rest, but I am pretty sure Ashraful will be brought back. Otherwise, the selectors are snorting coke.
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Old February 5, 2003, 11:40 PM
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Fwullah, do you know that to be the case or are you just guessing? If you are just guessing, then you are basing qiute a lot on an assumption that I don't think is accurate. What you say does make sense. However, do you really think that they would drop Ash and take Tushar instead? Or even Hannan or Seezan. I dont know about the rest, but I am pretty sure Ashraful will be brought back. Otherwise, the selectors are snorting coke.
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Old February 6, 2003, 09:56 AM
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The first blunder that the team management would do is if they play the XI that won the last match. There can be no justification of playing both Hannan and Seezan in the same match. Certainly Seezan, on current form, should get the nod. Also, you cannot have Ashraful sitting the game for Tushar, who has not done anything spectacular.

I am fully aware that ODI teams are not usually made up of 5 specialist bowlers. Then you have too long a tail. Personally, I do not like that either. But I would take a pragmatic approach attacking cricket against Canada and Kenya (4 specialist bowlers), and defensive against the test teams (5 specialist bowlers). I know people will shout at me for proposing defensive cricket. All that I am saying is: the reality is that we are not at par with the other test teams. If we live in a make believe world then chances are that we will be blown away. Our all rounders are really not all rounders in that mould yet, but at least our bowlers can bowl a bit and batsmen can bat a little. We must not be run around for 300+ runs by every test team. Most often teams are weak because of their bowling strength. Newer teams always have even weaker bowling sides.

I know my type of team will not be chosen against the test teams. Besides there are also many ifs and buts. At least in these pages I can express my opinion. One day we will be a much better team and we will be able to compete against the best teams on equal terms. But till then, lets be realistic and hang in there.
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Old February 6, 2003, 11:00 AM
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Default 4 paceman variation

we talked about a variation some time ago that involved 4 paceman. i was thinking the spinners would not have much success on the SA wickets, and in that case why not have the 4 paceman as the specialist bowlers, and then rely on alok, ashraful and sanwar to provide 10-15 overs of spin. rafiq was to be sacrificed becuase the other spinners were batsmen. that lineup looked like the following:

rokon
hannan (since then, ehsanul)
ash
sumon
sanwar
alok
pilot
taposh
mashrafee
talha
manju

but the spinners have done pretty well, rafique has been strong and it is hard to leave him out (amazing how he has resurrected his career when a year ago it seemed that he was done).

i thought they would try the above lineup in one of the 7 warmups. they didn't. so i have stopped talking about 4 pacers. if there is any room to experiment with this, i suppose it is the canada match, but i really don't see it happening now.
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Old February 6, 2003, 11:10 PM
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Yes - I have been assuming that the batting line up against KZN in 2nd warm up could be our world cup line up for at least the Canada match.

Because I could see no other reason as to why Bangladesh performed so well. I may sound like somebody unpatriotic, but I know what kind of form (confidence level) our players - to be specific, our batsman are in.

So the logic that I could come up with, with so least info is that probably our players were given a go at the 2nd warm up to get their confidence back up and to make them play tension-free.

Besides, I could also see no reason to not to play Sanwar in either 1 of the 2 warm up matches. Also, Sanwar was not included in the first few matches in Namibia too. And before the Namibia tour, I always thought that Sanwar is an integral part of our batting line up. Especially since Javed Omar is not in the world cup side.

In fact, I also think (or thought for a while - until the start of Namibia tour) that because Sanwar is there - (Sanwar has as much temperament as Javed has) Javed Omar is not required that much.

It is mainly because if both of them is stuck at the crease, like one time in South Africa (I think it was in 2nd ODI there) then the lower order/ the rest of the batsman will be under too much pressure to play their game properly.

But all my calculations are proven wrong when Sanwar is not playing. I just cannot understand why he is being left out.

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Old February 7, 2003, 01:03 AM
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I think it is important to include Sanwar in place of Tushar Imran. First as pointed out by fwullah that he like Pilot and Kapali has the capability to hold the innings togather during a collapse (which is very common for BD). Also:
--- His form during the Kenya and South Africa tour and at home against West Indies was better than Tushar Imran.

--- His offspin will bring variation.

--- he also manage somehow to get a wicket during the first few overs of his bowling.
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Old February 7, 2003, 04:00 AM
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If those who have scored runs in the warm-ups, (Seezan, Sanwar) are left out in favour of those who haven't scored any runs whatsoever, (Hannan, Tushar) that would just send the wrong message out to the team. The team selectors must not do that. However, I have a sinking feeling that they will do just that.
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Old February 7, 2003, 06:53 AM
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Default CRITERIA

Whatever the team we create, these criteria must be met :

1) The opening pair must remain in the field for at least 7 overs.

2) There MUST be at least 2 fast bowlers who can make the opening batsmen of the opponent team AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS. I guess those 2 could be Masri and Manjurul... although I am not too sure ?

3) There HAS TO BE a specialist spinner in the team (which, of course is Mohammad Rafique) It doesn't matter if spin will be effective in SA or not, a specialist spinner is a must for creating a MAJOR VARIATION.

4) Proven performers must be included. In our scenario, proven performers are Rokon, Ehsanul, Sanwar and Rafique (he already qualifies by the previous criteria.

5) Inclusion of Ashraful would be justified in view of an overall assessment. His inclusion would motivate other players I guess.

6) Including the all-rounders, there has to be at least 7 batsmen, otherwise the opponent team will not be nervous.

7) We need players who in the past has displayed COOL head. Players who have become nervous in critical situations in the past may be sidelined, at least in the 1st match.

THE FIRST MATCH MUST BE WON. Morning will show the day.

These are recommendations from the Southern Hemisphere...
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Old February 8, 2003, 02:59 AM
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I wish our stupid newspapers would give us some real info on how our team is shaping for the game against Canada, who is likely to play, who isn't, that sort of thing. But no, why do that? Instead, Daily Star's Al Amin, nice guy but a poor reporter, writes an report which goes on and on about the lack of interest in South Africa in the World Cup. Yeah, the country is 85% black who couldn't give two hoots about cricket blah blah, who cares? What is Masri upto, thats the kind of thing I want to know!
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Couldn't help notice Sham mentioning something about this DS reporter a long time ago (below). And then I get the shock of my life........'Al the terrible' is in England! He wrote two reports on the same topic today!
Time to switch to our very own Shameran and Asif Saleh and the Bangla papers. Saleh's piece on the reception in particular was B-R-I-L-L-I-A-N-T!







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I wish our stupid newspapers would give us some real info on how our team is shaping for the game against Canada, who is likely to play, who isn't, that sort of thing. But no, why do that? Instead, Daily Star's Al Amin, nice guy but a poor reporter, writes an report which goes on and on about the lack of interest in South Africa in the World Cup. Yeah, the country is 85% black who couldn't give two hoots about cricket blah blah, who cares? What is Masri upto, thats the kind of thing I want to know!
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