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August 18, 2008, 03:02 PM
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Why Mehrab Hossain Jr. SHOULD be in the team!
Now before you guys kill me, just hear me out. The problem with our batsmen in my opinion are two things. 1. Stupid shots and 2. Lack of PARTNERSHIPS. Mehrab doesn't play stupid shots and he is a partnership builder. That is really all we need at the top. Partnerships. Tamim Iqbal can supply the runs and the strike rate, we just need someone who can stick with him in the crease. Too many times, we have lost an early wicket because our OTHER opener would do something stupid and gift his wicket. This would immediately put pressure on our fragile middle order. Hopefully, this will not happen with Mehrab batting with Tamim. Sometimes it is good to have contradicting openers. One can be the attacking batsmen who scores the majority of the runs and the other can bat sensibly and just try to hang around the crease and pick up singles every now and then. That is what you would have with Tamim and Mehrab. Remember, 50 overs is a LONG time. No need to rush unless you are chasing 330.
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August 18, 2008, 03:09 PM
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I agree with what you say, but are you sure that he won't become another Javed Omar or Rajin Saleh (getting 4 of 20 balls), which would probably cause Tamim to get out attempting one shot too many?
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August 18, 2008, 03:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ro1249
...No need to rush unless you are chasing 330.
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We were chasing 330. Why didn't he rush? I have no problem in consolidation and minimising damage in the early overs, however, chasing 330 and an opener having a SR of 50%+ should have one opportunity only. Let us see what other options we have. Now is the time to experiment. Not against full Australian squad.
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August 18, 2008, 03:13 PM
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I really dont understand why selector every time select him for the national team . I think replacment for the nazimudiin , zunaieed will be perfect for opener . Mehrab junior i never saw him he made atleast 1 50 in the domestic or international cricket match .
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August 18, 2008, 03:17 PM
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I will take some one who can hold the fort over some one will make 0 from 1 ball.
Go figure who am i talking about... hint hint the later got the chance in place of injured player...lol
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1. Shahadat Hossain: Mufambisi c Mashud; Chigumbura lbw; Utseya c Mashud
2. Abdur Razzak: P Utseya caught; RW Price lbw; CB Mpofu lbw
3. Rubel Hossain: Corey J A bowled; BB McCullum caught; JDS Neesham caught
4. Taijul Islam: T Panyangara bowled; J Nyumbu lbw; TL Chatara bowled
5. Taskin Ahmed: DAS Gunaratne c Soumya; Lakmal c fiz; Pradeep bowled
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August 18, 2008, 03:18 PM
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In his 54 ball innings against AIS, Mehrab made 4 boundaries. Assuming he made other 8 runs in singles, he had only 12 scoring shots. When 78% deliveries that you face end up being dot balls, you are not building partnership, you are just eating up deliveries.
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August 18, 2008, 03:34 PM
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To add to my previous post, Tamim should not be used as a pinch hitter, he is too valuable for us to be wasted like that. He should be encouraged to keep molding himself as an orthodox opener. But he can't do that if he is always under pressure to score faster to compensate for the slowness of his partner (JO, SN, and now Mehrab).
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August 18, 2008, 03:37 PM
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I really don't see any prospect for Mehrab to be a good ODI opener. As a opener you need to have the capability to score freely; either by boundaries or by singles. The key factor is you cannot waste deliveries and you need to score by occupying the crease. I am sorry to say that he is not fit for this job.
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August 18, 2008, 03:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by akabir77
I will take some one who can hold the fort over some one will make 0 from 1 ball.
Go figure who am i talking about... hint hint the later got the chance in place of injured player...lol
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I would go for someone who might score a 1 ball duck but will play with the attitude of winning rather than someone whose mere presence is enough to secure a loss.
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August 18, 2008, 04:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HereWeGo
I would go for someone who might score a 1 ball duck but will play with the attitude of winning rather than someone whose mere presence is enough to secure a loss.
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I won't go for either one. Both are useless.
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August 18, 2008, 04:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WarWolf
I won't go for either one. Both are useless.
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Wish we had the services of SNafees....
I was talking abt "monder bhalo"....i also find both of em useless....Mehrab a lil more useless:-)
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August 18, 2008, 04:27 PM
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jut like alok kapali,i can't wait until some you guys eat your words
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August 18, 2008, 04:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HereWeGo
I would go for someone who might score a 1 ball duck but will play with the attitude of winning rather than someone whose mere presence is enough to secure a loss.
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If you think holding the fort is playing for loss sp when the team can't bat 50 over then i have nothing to say. yeah ideally I would love some one who can rotate the strike, but we r talking about 2 players with their current forms...
I can't see how getting out in 1st ball will show that he went for the win...
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1. Shahadat Hossain: Mufambisi c Mashud; Chigumbura lbw; Utseya c Mashud
2. Abdur Razzak: P Utseya caught; RW Price lbw; CB Mpofu lbw
3. Rubel Hossain: Corey J A bowled; BB McCullum caught; JDS Neesham caught
4. Taijul Islam: T Panyangara bowled; J Nyumbu lbw; TL Chatara bowled
5. Taskin Ahmed: DAS Gunaratne c Soumya; Lakmal c fiz; Pradeep bowled
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August 18, 2008, 05:36 PM
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at least junaid will get out early, or score a decent rate...(i hope).
otherwise, get aftab in ASAP. or nafees iqbal.
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August 18, 2008, 08:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by akabir77
If you think holding the fort is playing for loss sp when the team can't bat 50 over then i have nothing to say. yeah ideally I would love some one who can rotate the strike, but we r talking about 2 players with their current forms...
I can't see how getting out in 1st ball will show that he went for the win...
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Be a lil more realistic...First ball duck was used in a metaphoric sense, i mean probability says that he would last atleast half the deliveries as Mehrab will. However the probabbility also says that in that time he would probably score equal if not more than mehrab. Now even if we don last 50 overs it still gives more chances to us for a win if we are chasing a big total.
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August 18, 2008, 11:20 PM
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shudu bat dhoira bose thaklei hobe na kichu runo korte hobe...ok so he's wn't play aggresive cool..but dn't play so defensive that u put pressure on the other batsman to score...
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August 19, 2008, 02:52 AM
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Junaed needs to be tried out more! He got very few matches (with the national side) to be judged. And we all know how our players' performances fluctuate from domestic to A-side to national team. So ya...
As far as MHB is concerned, he also needs a few more matches. If Junaed dosen't play well, then MHB should get in. Should depend on what Junaed brings for us because he is the more capable one...
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August 19, 2008, 03:59 AM
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he score only 24 from 54 ball in the first practice match.........what he was thinking......
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August 19, 2008, 08:08 AM
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I think that is completely the wrong of thinking about it. Mehrab does not need to be blasting the ball from the word go and in fact he should instead be trying to create a foundation. Many a times have I seen major teams e.g. Australia score above 300 starting of with 4-4.5 run rates. Tamim is our blaster and as a result he may or may not click depending on our and his luck - we do not need to quick wickets lost within the first 5 overs followed by the batting collapse of Bangladesh that we have all come to know so well. So he seems to serve his role very well, we will have to wait and see...
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August 19, 2008, 09:21 AM
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Mehrab is not at all suited for ODI opening, that is reserved for batsmen who can take advantage of the fielding restrictions.
If we are still focused on surviving the 50 overs, yes, then Mehrab is our perfect opener, bring back Golla also.
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August 19, 2008, 09:47 AM
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zunaed should get more chances before we hand over the role of the second opener to mehrab hossain jr.
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August 19, 2008, 10:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HereWeGo
Be a lil more realistic...First ball duck was used in a metaphoric sense, i mean probability says that he would last atleast half the deliveries as Mehrab will. However the probabbility also says that in that time he would probably score equal if not more than mehrab. Now even if we don last 50 overs it still gives more chances to us for a win if we are chasing a big total.
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not really check his last 4/5 scores for A team... you will know that probability is he will score less then 10 and will get out real quick.
Listen I like him and he is our future but he needs to be nurtured and fix outside NTL at this moment. Cricket is no magic. Since he can't score against IRL and County teams now what makes you think he will start scoring all of a sudden.
I would even go for Farhad/ash as an opener then give him a chance and ruin him for life.
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1. Shahadat Hossain: Mufambisi c Mashud; Chigumbura lbw; Utseya c Mashud
2. Abdur Razzak: P Utseya caught; RW Price lbw; CB Mpofu lbw
3. Rubel Hossain: Corey J A bowled; BB McCullum caught; JDS Neesham caught
4. Taijul Islam: T Panyangara bowled; J Nyumbu lbw; TL Chatara bowled
5. Taskin Ahmed: DAS Gunaratne c Soumya; Lakmal c fiz; Pradeep bowled
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August 19, 2008, 10:31 AM
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most of us r missing the big picture here if we were 23/2 there was no way ash and co would have played the way they played. we r not Australia that even after 2/3 down we would have managed 300
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1. Shahadat Hossain: Mufambisi c Mashud; Chigumbura lbw; Utseya c Mashud
2. Abdur Razzak: P Utseya caught; RW Price lbw; CB Mpofu lbw
3. Rubel Hossain: Corey J A bowled; BB McCullum caught; JDS Neesham caught
4. Taijul Islam: T Panyangara bowled; J Nyumbu lbw; TL Chatara bowled
5. Taskin Ahmed: DAS Gunaratne c Soumya; Lakmal c fiz; Pradeep bowled
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August 19, 2008, 10:41 AM
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Isn't it a little unfair to pass judgement on a player based on just one match? There are two ways of looking at it. The first one is that Tamim was motoring along, the run rate was above the required rate, and hence Mehrab was playing a supporting role. The second scenario is that Mehrab was struggling to get the ball off the square forcing Tamim to take undue risks, which might have even led to his eventual dismissal.
None of us watched the game and have no way of knowing what happened exactly. In addition, the two of them did put up a partnership of 115. Whens the last time that happened for a team in the Bangladesh colors? He at least deserves a couple more chances before passing a verdict on his suitability to the team.
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August 19, 2008, 11:58 AM
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I do not want a player who starts the innings with a loser's mentality. Playing sensibly does not mean not playing shots or rotating the strike.
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