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Old March 17, 2018, 01:50 AM
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Riad played an amazing all round performance with bat and put in some decent overs as a part time spinner.

It takes exceptionally strong mental strength and self belief to pull off that innings especially after that incident towards the end and Mehedi’s idiotic run out.

Although this has squashed some of his critics partially for now, they will be out with daggers for his head as always!
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Old March 17, 2018, 02:16 AM
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Yeah I’ve been thinking, if the culture is there then youngsters will learn and perform, these youngsters have been around awhile, some nearly 5 years now so why aren’t they improving?

I think liton is on the way to improving, and soumya was good just needs his form back, sabbir has never been consistent so he will need to be invested in for a lot longer before he shows consistency I think.
Because they are unwilling to learn from their mistakes. Doesn't have any work ethics like the seniors. How hard it is to understand?

Those who are following our cricket long enough , knows how much hard work these seniors have put in their early years. Even to this day, Mushy is the most hard working batsman in nets & practice. Among bowler is mash.

None of these young player have this habit. Among these young generation, only mominul have this trait.

Instead of looking into the mirror, Its easy to blame somebody else for their own shortcomings.
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Old March 17, 2018, 03:54 AM
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Because they are unwilling to learn from their mistakes. Doesn't have any work ethics like the seniors. How hard it is to understand?

Those who are following our cricket long enough , knows how much hard work these seniors have put in their early years. Even to this day, Mushy is the most hard working batsman in nets & practice. Among bowler is mash.

None of these young player have this habit. Among these young generation, only mominul have this trait.

Instead of looking into the mirror, Its easy to blame somebody else for their own shortcomings.
How do you know they don't put in the hard yards?

Any which way you look at it the seniors took a very long time to come good so based on that logic so will these young ones, even if they put in the effort.

Difference is these young ones have some seniors with decent performance to guide them which mushy, shakib, tamim, mash didn't have other than habibul and rafique but they were a level below mushy, shakib etc.

Plus we've had many reports of the seniors chucking temper tantrums when things haven't gone how they've wanted, especially with selection and especially with work ethic with training (maybe not in recent times but certainly a few years ago some of the seniors didn't turn up to practice -according to reports).
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Old March 17, 2018, 03:59 AM
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who created the culture for these 5 pillars? bashar? why do you have to be spoon fed. Liton, Sabbir,Soumya and Miraz will come up if they have it in them. no one could kept shakib/tamim down. if because of seniors these players are not coming up then I will wait for better players, do not need sissy like these
The 5 pillars had longer than the current lot have been given before they really got going to be the players they are today.
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Old March 17, 2018, 07:50 AM
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How do you know they don't put in the hard yards?

Any which way you look at it the seniors took a very long time to come good so based on that logic so will these young ones, even if they put in the effort.

Difference is these young ones have some seniors with decent performance to guide them which mushy, shakib, tamim, mash didn't have other than habibul and rafique but they were a level below mushy, shakib etc.

Plus we've had many reports of the seniors chucking temper tantrums when things haven't gone how they've wanted, especially with selection and especially with work ethic with training (maybe not in recent times but certainly a few years ago some of the seniors didn't turn up to practice -according to reports).
we are a small nation gowza. If some player do put any extra works, sooner or later its always gets reported. Because there is only one place to do so in dhaka, which is BCB academy ground.

I cant give you the link now, but even during the tri-series halsall was praising mustafizur because he was doing extra work in nets. As he doesn't see that very often from any young players. Even then he cited the reference of mushy and mash.

Nevermind. here's the link

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“It is really great to see that Mustafizur working hard to produce this amazing performance. He was toiled on his skills regularly. We are used to seeing Tamim and Mushfiqur in the nets every session but it was very inspiring to see Mustafizur running in at the nets every practice session,” said Halsall
http://www.daily-sun.com/printversio...-pace:-Halsall

http://www.dhakatribune.com/sport/cr...e-coming-back/
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Old March 17, 2018, 08:17 AM
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So he is not the perennial 'sissy' of the team now?

Someone needs to take over the baton: Sabbir, Soumya?
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Old March 17, 2018, 08:23 AM
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Mahmudullah established himself as the knockout player of BD.

2015: Send England packing

2017: Send Australia packing

2019: Send SL packing
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Old March 17, 2018, 08:24 AM
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Mahmudullah established himself as the knockout player of BD.

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Old March 17, 2018, 08:37 AM
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Mahmudullah established himself as the knockout player of BD.

2015: Send England packing

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LOL excellent analysis. Need to to it more frquentyly though not every 2 years.
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Old March 17, 2018, 08:44 AM
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So he is not the perennial 'sissy' of the team now?

Someone needs to take over the baton: Sabbir, Soumya?
Mizza has that sissy look in his face.
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Old March 17, 2018, 09:43 AM
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LOL excellent analysis. Need to to it more frquentyly though not every 2 years.
Well if everyone play well as a team then Ryad or Mushfiq wouldnt have to do everything single handedly like they had to do here. I can bet if the others took the game to the last 5 overs with a gettable asking rate ryad would succeed more often than not. These kind of single handed miraculous wins are hard to do consistently
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Old March 17, 2018, 10:21 AM
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And the notion that seniors took a long time to establish themselves is not entirely true.

Shakib was the consistent performer from 2007 WC. Either bat or ball, he was the most consistent player out of any.

Mashrafi was the best seamer despite his injuries. Shahadat was the only other automatic choice for a brief period. Maybe before Fizz came in, Mashrafi was the consistent seamer and was never dropped due to performance.

Tamim was erratic but still produced match winning performances. His back to back English epic, performances in NZ with JS were more than any of the juniors ever achieved. There was a reason he had 15+ opening partners who all faded. There were talks of him being dropped and he came back and scored 4 half centuries in a row. Then during the WC and he scored that crucial century against Scotland.

Now moving on to Riyad. He was a match winner in the beginning. Brought our historic away series against WI in 2009-10 I believe. Then he became a sissy and was rightfully dropped.

Finally this description only fits for Mushy. He was debuted at such a young age that he took forever to establish himself. He failed repeatedly. But the team stuck with him. And he became the best batsmen in the team (arguably after Tamim)

A) so it is wildly inaccurate when you say seniors took their to establish. It only describes Mushy. Not even for Riyad who was dropped, asked back, and dropped again.
b) the seniors came in without any proper system. Mash bowled fast and he very soon he became the opening bowler of a test team. Shakib was a bowler mostly in his bksp days. Tamim had the tag of explosive hitter. These kids spent some time with McInnes and very soon found themselves representing the national team.
c) meanwhile anamul, soumya, sabbir, miraz had much better preparation going up. They were part of HP team. A team. Toured overseas. Taskin/Miraz was earmarked for a long time and proper nurture was given to them and then slowly was drafted in. For example, miraz only played home test in the beginning. But when the seniors came in they were asked to play all format in all conditions.
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Old March 17, 2018, 04:44 PM
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mash was good from the beginning and shakib was somewhat but that's if you considered on a relative basis compared to the rest in their current team. The team is much better now so of course youngsters aren't going to just come in and start performing better than the seniors in most cases.

As said tamim played some good knocks but it did take him awhile to become world class and consistent, same for mushy. Shakib's stats were a bit padded with the bat early on with not outs and matches against low ranked teams and his bowling was still a work in progress.

They certainly were not world class early on and it did take them awhile (aside from mash). As far as age, they all started young, mushy about 16, shakib and tamim were both about 17/18.

You have to take into account that back then BD played a lot against zim and lower ranked teams, opponent quality wasn't as tough and that makes a difference.

Don't even want to get into Riyad's test series where he was a match winner. That WI team was possibly the worst xi to walk onto a test match cricket field, I don't want to seem disrespectful but the truth is it was not a very high quality team.

The youngsters do seem to be unfairly picked on in this generation.

I mean if you want to be particular then soumya and liton haven't been too bad and even Sabbir until about 6 months ago was doing alright in comparison to how the seniors were doing.

Soumya had a 40+ ODI average, liton is averaging a bit under 30 in tests. How long did it take the seniors to manage that? And how long did it take them to go from that sort of performance to their current performance?

Yes the youngsters are taking awhile but we only say that because we expect them to be ready in a shorter time period once in the national team, and for that to happen they need better coaching and better guidance form senior players than previous generations of BD cricketers.

Theoretically they should have that with mash, shakib, mushy and even riyad but are they really getting that? From what's been said at various times the seniors haven't always been the best role models as far as practice and, as I said earlier, behaviour regarding disagreements with selections.

It has been spoken at times as to whether the seniors accept new younger players as well as they could.

For example the whole issue with riyad being left out of the team or squad once recently. mash and the seniors had a problem with it, well I'm pretty sure that's not going to make the player who replaced riyad feel very good is it? That's not very accepting of a new young player is it?

And what about reports from a few years ago that some players weren't turning up to practice because they didn't like the coach or didn't want to practice at the time? I'm sure these things are know to people within the professional cricket community and the youngsters would've heard this stuff.

I think there has been, at least in the recent past, issues with seniors and selections and coaches, and if that's going on then it can't be the best environment for youngsters, for various different reasons. Not only is it teaching these youngsters bad attitudes towards management but it's not teaching them to focus on there game, with focus on these issues you can never be fully focused on your game.
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Mahmudullah established himself as the knockout player of BD.

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2017: Send Aus NZ packing

20192018: Send SL packing
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LOL excellent analysis. Need to to it more frquentyly though not every 2 1.5 years.
Bias detected and corrected .
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