bring back aminul islam

shaoun · #1 October 22, 2004, 01:49 AM

i said earlier that bringing back former player isnt going to help. i take it back now. our batting line is just disgusting. akram khan retired and i dont think he will be able to help the team but bulbul is playing cricket in australia. we need him now. i dont know if that will help much but he sure can do better then hannan or alok. i cant see bangladesh losing test status but the way they are playing they dont deserve to play test cricket. we cant hurt 140 million bangladesh cricket fans. we need bulbul. the fans who doubted him including myself the bcb the selecters all need to aplogize to him and bring him back. maybe he cant score another 145 but he sure can make guys like nafiz rajin ashraful better. just like in this match rafique made rana bowl better. we need bulbul. please bring back aminul islam. aminul shumon can teach guys like ashraful and nafiz or rajin play better. we need him for test and odi. i hope the selecters will try to bring him back. i know he still wants to play for bd. one phone call i know he will be back. please stop embarassing us and bring back aminul islam.

Mr-khan · #2 October 22, 2004, 03:52 AM

Bulbul cant do anything. He is not playing in good level cricket in Au. Selectors are looking for young player. But we have many good middle order and opening batsman they performed before and they have talent and did not get much chance in national team like Hannan sorkar,akol kapali. Example:Al.shahriar,Shahriar hossain,Tushar imran,Sanoar,Medrab and many..
They did not get any trainig from high.performence camp but they played well when they got a little chance. When they performed bad or became injured they missed place in national team and selectors could not take care them.
So if selectors call them again and give a good training from High performence camp, i hope we will get a good solution of our batting problem.

Shish Ahmed · #3 October 22, 2004, 06:39 AM

What do you mean bulbul cant do anything, of course he can he has got a century and knows what is is like to bat for long periods and has patience. Daniel Vettori sumed it up, BD batsmen are impatient and that is the biggest downfall.

The cry is yet gain 'Bring Back Aminul Islam Bulbul'

bdmoderator · #4 October 22, 2004, 07:05 AM

I don't support to bring backAminul Islam.

nasifkhan · #5 October 22, 2004, 07:07 AM

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Originally posted by mr-khan
Bulbul cant do anything. He is not playing in good level cricket in Au. Selectors are looking for young player. But we have many good middle order and opening batsman they performed before and they have talent and did not get much chance in national team like Hannan sorkar,akol kapali. Example:Al.shahriar,Shahriar hossain,Tushar imran,Sanoar,Medrab and many..
They did not get any trainig from high.performence camp but they played well when they got a little chance. When they performed bad or became injured they missed place in national team and selectors could not take care them.
So if selectors call them again and give a good training from High performence camp, i hope we will get a good solution of our batting problem.

What do u mean by bulbul cant do anything???
Players like Alok, Hannan who was born a few yrs back can do everything ...right????
I cant imagine a test team whose top order batsman avg age is 22-23. BD badly needs the service of any experienced former cricketer right now...

Zephaniah · #6 October 22, 2004, 07:16 AM

Forget it. Bulbul is no God. He would not have hugh impact. Ok. Hannan and Alok got their fair share of chances. Now we should move on.

Shish Ahmed · #7 October 22, 2004, 07:48 AM

ok, move on to who ??

Mr-khan · #8 October 22, 2004, 10:23 AM

I m telling again that bulbul cant do anythin.Whatever if he plays in au. U have to know that in which level is he playing.This time bd is a experimental team.So no chance for senior now.Forget him and think abt present situation.We have many talented player in bd so may be we can get another akram,bulbul again.

fwullah · #9 October 22, 2004, 11:38 AM

I don't support briging back older players, but since Bulbul hasn't retired officially, so we have the chance to bring him back for just one series, in particular, against the series in India, for both the test and the ODI series.

I think I have said this earlier that Bulbul plays his best against the Indians - its like killing 2 birds in 1 shot.

It'll give Bulbul a proper chance to retire, but the other thing is, we'll play better than we have been playing so far.

And besides, if Habibul Bashar doesn't get fit, or is injured again (here's this new line of thinking - when a certain player of ours is injured, it seems that his/their recovering time - full recovery time is way too longer for us to handle) then we can give Bashar's place to Bulbul.

I mean, what will happen if Bashar can't play in the 2nd test? Will we play as badly as we've been? I don't know if anyone has noticed it or not, the margin of defeat for us against the Kiwis this time AT HOME is greater than those 2 test defeats in New Zealand during rain. So why just sit around and do nothing?

BD Tigers · #10 October 22, 2004, 10:12 PM

Mr-Khan, i dont think u saw bulbul play before or not much cricket. yea i know he is old (36?) but he's a batsman - not a bowler. Bowler faces lot of problems when they grow old, but batsman can still play even if there are over 35. Yes they loose their reflex but class and experience balance that out. Look at players like Ranatunga, De Silva etc. (cannot think of other aged players but i am pretty there are more) and how they played.

Our talented cubs are sailing a ship without any guide. bashar/Aminul or players like them can guide them thru. it could be a year or a series.

Saying Bulbul cannot give anything - is an insult to him and others.

nasifkhan · #11 October 22, 2004, 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by BD Tigers
Mr-Khan, i dont think u saw bulbul play before or not much cricket. yea i know he is old (36?) but he's a batsman - not a bowler. Bowler faces lot of problems when they grow old, but batsman can still play even if there are over 35. Yes they loose their reflex but class and experience balance that out. Look at players like Ranatunga, De Silva etc. (cannot think of other aged players but i am pretty there are more) and how they played.

Our talented cubs are sailing a ship without any guide. bashar/Aminul or players like them can guide them thru. it could be a year or a series.

Saying Bulbul cannot give anything - is an insult to him and others.

this is exactly what i am trying to say...

shaoun · #12 October 22, 2004, 11:29 PM

damm shumon wont play in test 2. expect the same result guys. i know we need bulbul. for india. i think he can play another 2 yrs.

Mr-khan · #13 October 23, 2004, 06:27 AM

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Originally posted by BD Tigers
Mr-Khan, i dont think u saw bulbul play before or not much cricket. yea i know he is old (36?) but he's a batsman - not a bowler. Bowler faces lot of problems when they grow old, but batsman can still play even if there are over 35. Yes they loose their reflex but class and experience balance that out. Look at players like Ranatunga, De Silva etc. (cannot think of other aged players but i am pretty there are more) and how they played.

Our talented cubs are sailing a ship without any guide. bashar/Aminul or players like them can guide them thru. it could be a year or a series.

Saying Bulbul cannot give anything - is an insult to him and others.

Selectors are looking for young players and i believe that these young are better in this moment.Bubul was a great cricketer but now he cant play like before because of a long gap from national team.He is playing in au but it does't mean that he should be back in national team for that reason.

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Originally posted by BD TigersSaying Bulbul cannot give anything - is an insult to him and others.

If u really respect bulbut than stop saying "Bring back bulbul or something"
No doubt that he was a great player but this time we have many option and we should find a good solution for present situation.This is 2004 not 2000.Dont think that Bulbul will back again and make another 100+.

nasifkhan · #14 October 23, 2004, 08:52 AM

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No doubt that he was a great player but this time we have many option and we should find a good solution for present situation.This is 2004 not 2000.Dont think that Bulbul will back again and make another 100+.

Mr Khan ..Can u tell me who are the options ? Please give suitable reason for your answer also.

Pls dont tell me abt the U19 players. They were produced in the camp and are being trained in the camp.
How many current U19 players have first class or domestic league experience. Can u tell me?

Mr-khan · #15 October 23, 2004, 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by nasifkhan

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No doubt that he was a great player but this time we have many option and we should find a good solution for present situation.This is 2004 not 2000.Dont think that Bulbul will back again and make another 100+.

Mr Khan ..Can u tell me who are the options ? Please give suitable reason for your answer also.

Pls dont tell me abt the U19 players. They were produced in the camp and are being trained in the camp.
How many current U19 players have first class or domestic league experience. Can u tell me?

Many option mean the player who are playing in national team.We have not a good middle order but bulbul is not the solution.This is really stupid to think abt him.Shahriar hossain is a good option.He is a opener but if ashraful comes in middle order again and Shahriar open with Javed or Nafis.Shahriar has retired but if selectors wants he can change his desecion.If not Shahriar may be Tushar imran,Al-shahriar.They did not get much chance but if they get chance like Alok-kapali,Hannan may be they could conform their place in national team.

Now please tell me that If Bulbul back again what can he do?

Shish Ahmed · #16 October 23, 2004, 09:54 AM

Players like Jayasuriya aged 35 are still playing and doing well, Mr-Khan i think you need to get out of the habit of thinking like age matters, cause it does not. If you are good enough who cares about the age, the difference between the players you have mentioned and Bulbul is that bulbul can occupy the crease for long periods i.e be patient and all we are asking for is to give him a chance as i have no doubt he will do good. It takes a special player to score a test century on debut 145 is no mean feat.

Rubu · #17 October 23, 2004, 10:16 AM

the problem laying on the fact that we donot have a demostic league. that is the mother of all problem and solution to all as well. former players are not of any help. the cricketing world has moved too far away since they are out of the team and for them its gonna be like learning a few chapter. all they need to do is start a strong domestic league where player can compite against each other and can perform. other than that nothing is wrong with selectors or all. need a compititive domestic league.

nasifkhan · #18 October 23, 2004, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by mr-khan

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Originally posted by nasifkhan

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No doubt that he was a great player but this time we have many option and we should find a good solution for present situation.This is 2004 not 2000.Dont think that Bulbul will back again and make another 100+.

Mr Khan ..Can u tell me who are the options ? Please give suitable reason for your answer also.

Pls dont tell me abt the U19 players. They were produced in the camp and are being trained in the camp.
How many current U19 players have first class or domestic league experience. Can u tell me?

Many option mean the player who are playing in national team.We have not a good middle order but bulbul is not the solution.This is really stupid to think abt him.Shahriar hossain is a good option.He is a opener but if ashraful comes in middle order again and Shahriar open with Javed or Nafis.Shahriar has retired but if selectors wants he can change his desecion.If not Shahriar may be Tushar imran,Al-shahriar.They did not get much chance but if they get chance like Alok-kapali,Hannan may be they could conform their place in national team.

Now please tell me that If Bulbul back again what can he do?

Obviously he will have an impact in the team. It may be by his performance or by guiding the younger player by sharing his vast experience.

About Shahriar Hossain Bidyut, I would also like see him back to the team. But u cant say anything abt Rokon. He had many opportuinities to prove him but he failed miserably.

Navarene · #19 October 23, 2004, 11:00 AM

Aminul Islam - Tests - Innings by innings list

Overall:
13 matches 530 runs Avg 21.20

Innings by innings list:

Runs ------------ Against

145 & 6 - Only Test v Ind in BD 2000/01 at Dhaka

84 & 11 - 1st Test v Zim in Zim 2000/01 at Bulawayo

12 & 2 - 2nd Test v Zim in Zim 2000/01 at Harare

10 & 18 - 1st Match v Pak in Pak 2001/02 at Multan

6 & 56 - 2nd Match v SL in SL 2001/02 at Colombo

12 & 6* - 1st Test v Zim in BD 2001/02 at Dhaka

21 & 1 - 2nd Test v Zim in BD 2001/02 at Chittagong

14 & 0 - 1st Test v NZ in NZ 2001/02 at Hamilton

42 & 4 - 2nd Test v NZ in NZ 2001/02 at Wellington

25 & 11 - 1st Test v Pak in BD 2001/02 at Dhaka

25 & 2 - 2nd Test v Pak in BD 2001/02 at Chittagong

0 & 0 - 1st Test v SL in SL 2002 at Colombo (PSS)

5 & 12 - 1st Test v WI in BD 2002/03 at Dhaka

This is the over all scenario of Aminul Islam's contribution in Test cricket. Now I leave it for your kind perusal to think if he really deserves to be called as a saviour of our cricket (which some of our members think so).

Mr-khan · #20 October 23, 2004, 11:08 AM

Navarene good work. I was looking for that.

Shish Ahmed · #21 October 23, 2004, 01:41 PM

Ok, Aminul's scores were not the best when he was dropped but they are not the worst either. The thing is with Bulbul the bowlers had to get him out rather than he just throw away his wicket with a rash shot, not many BD players can truly say i got out to a good ball. He had patience and played the balls on merit.

I think he deserves at least another chance!!!

BD Tigers · #22 October 23, 2004, 03:11 PM

21.20 batting avg may be higher than 2/3rd of the team specialist batsman I think (who played 13 tests). Narvene bhai could find that out for us. One thing you guys have to know that when I or fan like me are asking for Bulbul to come back, doesnt mean that he will be our savior. He will probably will not score another 100 runs. But what he will do is to give boost of confidence to our current players which are lacking very much (just like '03 WC). He can guide the players while he's in the middle or outside. People like Rajin, Alok, Hannan and other 19yrs could get a lot more knowledge from him or a shoulder to cry on when they are in deep sh?t.

But saying all these, he could be a total failure. But we will never know unless he gets a chance. He has not retired. He wants to play still - so give him a chance and if he fails then he can retire from there. At least he/we will know that he tried.

nasifkhan · #23 October 24, 2004, 04:03 AM

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Originally posted by BD Tigers
21.20 batting avg may be higher than 2/3rd of the team specialist batsman I think (who played 13 tests). Narvene bhai could find that out for us. One thing you guys have to know that when I or fan like me are asking for Bulbul to come back, doesnt mean that he will be our savior. He will probably will not score another 100 runs. But what he will do is to give boost of confidence to our current players which are lacking very much (just like '03 WC). He can guide the players while he's in the middle or outside. People like Rajin, Alok, Hannan and other 19yrs could get a lot more knowledge from him or a shoulder to cry on when they are in deep sh?t.

But saying all these, he could be a total failure. But we will never know unless he gets a chance. He has not retired. He wants to play still - so give him a chance and if he fails then he can retire from there. At least he/we will know that he tried.

good point.....

He deserves a last chance...

mahbubH · #24 October 24, 2004, 04:50 AM

I think selectors dropped Aminul a bit early and he should play more tests at that time. Bangladesh cricket officials should select him to lead BD in first test after his good showing in the WC. But I do not think this is good time to bring Aminul back in test cricket because he would not do any better than this group.

Instead of crying for bringing old people back in the fold we should speak more to strengthen our domestic cricket structure. There are lot of things BCB can do to improve our domestic cricket. I beleive there are more talents outside Dhaka and we need to find them!!

fy288 · #25 October 25, 2004, 07:51 AM

I back this campaign. the batsmen need someone older and experienced. all the players are like school kids with no teacher. i agree that bulbul should have played more tests rather than being dropped.

if things contiue, like we start getting beat by innings we can kiss test cricket of a high standard goodbye.we will be in 2nd tier with ZIM, KENYA and Scotland etc...

PS: I am really angry that we will not play a test series against ZIM, but they will resume full test honours after they visit us. thats not fair, we can easily trash them in there current state. i think icc knew this and what to prolong our " not won a test in 30 test matches" or so tag.