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Old September 7, 2017, 11:01 AM
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Default Tiger Squad for Upcoming SA Series (Your Opinion)

Okay. I know a lot of us were not particularly impressed with the squad selected for the Australia series and ended up thinking that poor selection is the sole reason to miss an opportunity to defeat a top side in a Test series, I thought we should start discussing about squad selection for our next assignment ASAP to prevent history repeating itself.

Test Squad for SA Tour

1) Tamim Iqbal
2) Soumya Sarker
3) Mominul Haque
4) Mosaddek Hossain
5) Sakib Al Hasan
6) Mushfiqur Rahim (WK) (C)
7) Sabbir Rahman
8) Saifuddin Ahmed
9) Md. Shahid
10) Subhashis Roy
11) Fizz (1st Test) / Taskin (2nd Test)

Bench: Litton, Miraz, Shanto.

Note:
# I have selected Soumya instead of KaEdge in full knowledge that CH will select him anyway and there's not much difference between Soumya and KaEdge to be honest as both of them won't move their feet on fast bouncy pitch against quality pace attack which will result in getting caught in slips within 5 to 15 minutes of occupying the crease. But Soumya has slightly better hand-eye co-ordination than KaEdge and may surprise us if he gets lucky.

# Shareer Nafees is a proven FTB and should be tried only in Home Test matches due to his prolific runs in domestic circuit if we are really hard pressed to select him for NT. Also, the less we discuss about Anamul Haque in longer version of the game, the better.

# Mini is suppose to be decent against pace bowling and Shanto is under-cooked at the moment due to lack of away series for A-Team.

# Although a lot of us believe Mosaddek might not be as good against quality pace bowling as he is against spin, he should come at 4 mainly due to the fact that he scored vast majority of his FC runs at #4 (@70 average) and personally I would keep Mushy as WK which would automatically push him to bat at #6.

#Litton Das needs to develop his offside batting skill more to be considered as viable option in away tours against a pace battery which is predominantly RF/RFM, His keeping skill seems to be as good as Mushy if not better. I would keep him as reserve WK.

# Both Nasir and Sabbir should only be considered for LOI squad, but we may need to slot in Sabbir due to lack of option as I really do not want Ryad to make a comeback to Test squad, though Ryad is my personal favorite to take over ODI captaincy from Mash once he retires!

# I have watched Saifuddin closely over the years and honestly I don't think he is even poor man's "Ben Stoke". But Miraz was pretty toothless in NZ condition and do not inspire any confidence to do things differently in SA condition. So I would rather gamble with Saifuddin in the playing XI than select Miraz to make him a failure inevitably.

# As far as pace bowling department is concerned, both Shahid and Roy should be selected as work horse and injury-prone Fizz and Taskin should play alternatively.

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Old September 7, 2017, 11:08 AM
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My XI would be

Tamim
Litton
Mominul
Mosaddek
Shakib
Mushy
Sabbir
Miraz
Fizz
Taskin
Roy

Reserves: Saifuddin, Soumya, Riad, Rabbi
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Old September 7, 2017, 05:46 PM
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Hopefully Saifuddin doesn't get selected, far too early for him. Shanto to young also, so hopefully common sense prevails.

1) Tamim Iqbal
2) Soumya Sarker
3) Mominul Haque
4) Mushfiq
5) Shakib
6) Mosaddek
7) Litton Das - WK
8) Mehedi
9) Taskin
10) Subhashis Roy
11) mustafizur

Bench: Shahid, Taijul, Imrul

Maybe Abu Hider
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Old September 7, 2017, 05:44 PM
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XI:

Tamim
Liton
Mominul
Shanto
Mushy
Shakib
Sabbir
Mehedi
Saifuddin
Taskin
Fizz

Soumya, mosa reserves as well as another spinner (taijul/jubair?) and another pacer (rabbi, Roy, hider, ebadat?)
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Old September 7, 2017, 05:55 PM
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Test Squad:-

Tamim
Kayes
Mominul
Sabbir
Shakib
Mushfiq
Liton (or Mossadek if Mushy stays WK)
Miraz
Saiffudin
Fizz
Taskin


Reserves: Roy, Soumya, Riad, Rabbi


Justification:
Tamim - Kayes: best opening partnership in BD history. Let it continue until Kayes retires. Soumya will get his chance - or not if Liton / Mossadek perform .

Liton / Mossadek: I am not sure if Mushy can continue doing all three roles to best of his ability - it's proving too much. As captain, he has a say in the matter, despite what we all think. So if he feels he should give up keeping then bring on Liton instead of Mossadek. Liton can play down the order and Sabbir can be elevated to No. 4. Sabbir is a good batsman and can learn to graft an innings in time - especially with Mominul at No. 3 guiding him. He reminds me of Maxwell, a "Big Show" player. Mossadek is unlucky this time, but he might get a chance in second test if there are major failures, or at least in the LOI matches.
Mushy seems to be indicating a willingness to change his role - Mushfiqur explains batting order shake-up http://es.pn/2j7zR5a
via ESPNCricinfo app

Saiffudin- he might have promise as bowling all-rounder. Give him a go, and SAF wickets are best place for him to learn. Regardless of his performance, between Fizz, Taskin, Shakib and Miraz there is a good attack already, so he might be the "project player" for this tour.

Do this and BD cricket will be "right as rain".
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Old September 7, 2017, 06:50 PM
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Mosaddek is going to Bangkok as his eye infection hasnt gotten better. Knowing our luck, this will be a career ending illness or the excuse for Hathuri to finally get rid of him.
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Old September 7, 2017, 08:59 PM
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Good squad except for the fraud man behind the stumps. Get LD in, get Mushfiqur out, and the boys will be very inspired by a real man and wicket keeper.
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Old September 7, 2017, 09:08 PM
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Test Team
1. Tamim iqbal
2.imrul kayes
3.mominul Haque
4.mushfiqur Rahim
5.shakib AL Hasan
6.mosaddek Hossain
7.liton Kumar Das
8.mehadi Hasan miraz
9.shafiul Islam
10.kamrul Islam rabbi/shubashis roy
11.mustafizur rahman
one day team
1.tamim iqbal
2.soumya sarker
3.mosaddek Hossain
4.shakib AL Hasan
5.mushfiqur Rahim
6.mahmudullah riyad
7.sabbir rahman
8.mehadi Hasan miraz
9.mashrafi bin mortaza
10.taskin Ahmed
11.mustafizur rahman
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Old September 7, 2017, 11:02 PM
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1) Tamim
2) LKD
3) Mominul
4) Mushfiqur
5) Shakib
6) Mosaddek
7) Shabbir
8) Miraz
9) Shaifuddin
10 Fizz
11) Taskin

Solid Squad in my opinon. You have 2 specialist spinners, you have a fast bowling allrounder and you have 3 fast bowlers. Absolutely need 5 specialist bowlers (Fizz, Taskin, Saifuddin, Miraz, Shakib) if we stand a chance to win a test match as the Australian test match showed. But with allrounders and Saifuddin you have batsmen till 9 anyways which adds batting depth. I am hoping LKD clicks in the opening department as both KaEdge and Soumya have disappointed when we needed them the most, it's time for a change surely.

KaEdge and Soumya need breaks, they are walking wickets and need changes to their batting. I would give Nasir a chance but he should have performed better in the home series.

If Mosaddek is unfit then we need to rope in a test specialist, maybe Shahriar Nafees or Tushar Imran can be looked at. WE ABSOLUTELY NEED EXPERIENCE in the middle order.
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Old September 7, 2017, 11:04 PM
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^^Mohammad Saifuddin is not test material i think, at least he is not ready yet.
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Old September 8, 2017, 12:53 AM
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Tamim Iqbal
Liton Das
Mominul Haque
Mosaddek Hossain
Shakib Al Hasan
Mushfiqur Rahim
Nasir Hossain
Mehedi Hasan
Shuvashish Roy
Taskin Ahmed
Mustafizur Rahman

Extras: Shahriar Nafees, Mohammad Shahid, Rubel Hossain

No Soumya-Shabbir-Kayes-Shafiul. Taijul isnt needed so he can rest. And please no Saifuddin. Lets not put a seam allrounder just to look cute on paper. Saifuddin with his batting wont do jack in SA conditions and his bowling isnt better then Roy, Rabbi, Rubel, Shahid. This series was the right time to test him when we didnt need 2 full time seamers. Instead of bowling a batsmen, couldve tried a bowling allrounder and see how he does. Its ridiculous to send him for the toughest series in the last 5 years.

Batting order, Liton opens because knowing Mushy the moron, he wont give up gloves. Let him bat way down and play his safe cricket and keep 200 overs. Dunno if Mosaddek will be back.. but if he isnt, I will bring in Riyad back.. Atleast he will look less clueless the Kayes-Shabbir
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Old September 8, 2017, 02:22 AM
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Saifuddin is possibly the 3rd best seamer in FC for BD, plus he offers something different which is swing.

Are Roy, shahid, robiul, shafiul, Rubel, abul, rabbi etc conclusively better than this young pace all rounder? I believe the answer is no and for me that's enough to give him a birth, he wasn't bad in his international matches to date, he's got a decent enough FC record to say ok give him a shot as long as the talent is there.

Btw in regards to being 3rd best pacer I want to clarify that I said POSSIBLY, I'm not saying he's out right better, but he's young, swings it more than the others, has that passion to succeed and give it to the opposition and a decent enough record over all formats including FC to give him a chance.

Like I said, are the other options conclusively better? He has the upside of swing, age on his side and that extra batting depth.
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Old September 8, 2017, 03:37 AM
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Saifuddin is possibly the 3rd best seamer in FC for BD, plus he offers something different which is swing.

Are Roy, shahid, robiul, shafiul, Rubel, abul, rabbi etc conclusively better than this young pace all rounder? I believe the answer is no and for me that's enough to give him a birth, he wasn't bad in his international matches to date, he's got a decent enough FC record to say ok give him a shot as long as the talent is there.

Btw in regards to being 3rd best pacer I want to clarify that I said POSSIBLY, I'm not saying he's out right better, but he's young, swings it more than the others, has that passion to succeed and give it to the opposition and a decent enough record over all formats including FC to give him a chance.

Like I said, are the other options conclusively better? He has the upside of swing, age on his side and that extra batting depth.
One of us havent seen Saifuddin then and I would gladly be the one. But from the limited i have seen of him, he has the "potential" to be a good swing bowler. He hasnt shown any signs of a matured swing bowler. The seamers u mentioned all passed their short test career on conditions that were totally unhelpful to them. its only now we are starting to see result pitches in BD. I think someone like Shahid, Roy who has bowled a lot of overs in domestics and international, far better candidates to take that 3rd seamer role then Saifuddin. Saifuddin does not have enough experience to play in unknown conditions against one of the top sides in the world. You can disagree all you want but in the end, its fact that he is inexperienced. I think we are all seeing of what inexperience does....
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Old September 8, 2017, 04:21 AM
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One of us havent seen Saifuddin then and I would gladly be the one. But from the limited i have seen of him, he has the "potential" to be a good swing bowler. He hasnt shown any signs of a matured swing bowler. The seamers u mentioned all passed their short test career on conditions that were totally unhelpful to them. its only now we are starting to see result pitches in BD. I think someone like Shahid, Roy who has bowled a lot of overs in domestics and international, far better candidates to take that 3rd seamer role then Saifuddin. Saifuddin does not have enough experience to play in unknown conditions against one of the top sides in the world. You can disagree all you want but in the end, its fact that he is inexperienced. I think we are all seeing of what inexperience does....
All of them bar rubel are inexperienced, fact. Unless you're talking FC cricket which in BD is almost useless due to the quality.
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Old September 8, 2017, 04:32 AM
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All of them bar rubel are inexperienced, fact. Unless you're talking FC cricket which in BD is almost useless due to the quality.
its the same FC records that u are using to partially defend for bringing Saifuddin. Ironic isnt it? ... and I hope I dont have to quote u on that...
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I would take Ryad. I know he hasn't done much in tests but on those sort of surfaces He is the best option we have in the middle order.
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I would take Ryad. I know he hasn't done much in tests but on those sort of surfaces He is the best option we have in the middle order.
The reason I wouldn't take riyad is so a youngster can get experience in those conditions. Unless riyad is going to be a fixture in the test team there is no point picking him for just this series or just that series, I can see it from the other side but for me I'd prefer to give the youngsters that experience so they can use it and draw from it for future series'.
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The reason I wouldn't take riyad is so a youngster can get experience in those conditions. Unless riyad is going to be a fixture in the test team there is no point picking him for just this series or just that series, I can see it from the other side but for me I'd prefer to give the youngsters that experience so they can use it and draw from it for future series'.
Yes that is true, its better to let young guns get acclimatised to the conditions so we can phase guys like Riyadh, Mushfiq and Tamim out in the future.
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Yes that is true, its better to let young guns get acclimatised to the conditions so we can phase guys like Riyadh, Mushfiq and Tamim out in the future.
Quoting what u said... if you deny that this does not indicate giving a chance to young players like Saifuddin then the conversation stops
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Quoting what u said... if you deny that this does not indicate giving a chance to young players like Saifuddin then the conversation stops
this is what you expect when someone started following BD cricket just 3 years ago where his first memory with shakib is shakib showing his balls to the camera
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The reason I wouldn't take riyad is so a youngster can get experience in those conditions. Unless riyad is going to be a fixture in the test team there is no point picking him for just this series or just that series, I can see it from the other side but for me I'd prefer to give the youngsters that experience so they can use it and draw from it for future series'.
Test cricket in South Africa is not the right avenue to give youngsters an exposure. It is basically throwing them in the deep end against Morkel Philander and co and setting them up to fail miserably. I am sure once a Mosaddek score 3 ducks people will call for his head in all formats. Youngsters should get exposed through A team tours or through being in the squad for the limited overs side.
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Test cricket in South Africa is not the right avenue to give youngsters an exposure. It is basically throwing them in the deep end against Morkel Philander and co and setting them up to fail miserably. I am sure once a Mosaddek score 3 ducks people will call for his head in all formats. Youngsters should get exposed through A team tours or through being in the squad for the limited overs side.
That's the problem with fans then, shouldn't be so harsh, depriving the player and BD cricket in the long run is not the answer. Plenty of young inexperienced players play away tours, it's how they learn.

Riyad isn't so great that he needs to be picked either, if we were talking about an experienced player with a great record then fair go but riyad's not got that.
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That's the problem with fans then, shouldn't be so harsh, depriving the player and BD cricket in the long run is not the answer. Plenty of young inexperienced players play away tours, it's how they learn.

Riyad isn't so great that he needs to be picked either, if we were talking about an experienced player with a great record then fair go but riyad's not got that.
If we had experienced players with a great record then i wouldn't be going back to Ryad either. Ryad is international match ready in terms of having just played CT and in terms of fitness. He has played the big knocks in Australia England and New Zealand conditions and he has played against good international fast bowling. When it comes to test cricket I would always lean towards experience rather than youth for a tour to South Africa. That is as tough a tour there is in World Cricket. I don't think we will even win a Tour game there with our pace bowling resources if i am being honest. Nasir or Shahriar Nafees too will be out of depth because of the lack of international cricket under their belt.

For Shabbir, Soumya and Kayes I would pick Mosaddek, Shanto and Ryad.
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That's the problem with fans then, shouldn't be so harsh, depriving the player and BD cricket in the long run is not the answer. Plenty of young inexperienced players play away tours, it's how they learn.

Riyad isn't so great that he needs to be picked either, if we were talking about an experienced player with a great record then fair go but riyad's not got that.
What are you talking about? It's a very common practice to save youngsters from debuting against tough opponents so that they don't stumble in the beginning of their career. I can give you Australian examples for that. http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/...fec31982cc837d. Here an experienced Batsman like Phillip Hughes was not played against SA, the team who debuted against and played very well because by then his weakness against pace was well established. The selectors didn't want to destroy his confidence before bringing him back to the national side. And you are talking about fresh new blood.
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Test cricket in South Africa is not the right avenue to give youngsters an exposure. It is basically throwing them in the deep end against Morkel Philander and co and setting them up to fail miserably. I am sure once a Mosaddek score 3 ducks people will call for his head in all formats. Youngsters should get exposed through A team tours or through being in the squad for the limited overs side.
Why do we assume Mosaddek would score 3 ducks? And if he does, what about Riyad who has half the FC average of a Mosaddek. Riyad is not an answer.

If a youngster bags 3 ducks in SA, he should still be given a nice long run in the side. Anyone can score 3 ducks to start their career. Attapattu had 3 ducks to start his career I believe and Tendulkar had 2 ducks to start his ODI career.
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