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October 27, 2018, 03:00 AM
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Why do we need another all rounder who bowls spin anyways? We have shakib who will be coming back, we have miraz who was an all rounder in u19 days , we have Mullah who can bowl 10 overs economically . Then they selected saifuddin and ariful too as pace bowling all rounders, it seems they have a set mindset that we must have X number of all rounders in the team no matter what even if they are bits and pieces cricketers, they might even fly in Abul Hasan if needed to fulfill the all rounder quota. Picking Rabby to fulfill this all rounder quota seems so dumb
These selectors are more busy thinking about some invisible all rounder quota rather than picking the best available players
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October 27, 2018, 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BD_TigerZ
^Fazle bowls pies.. worse than Mominul. We need to be looking for a genuine batsmen at 3 rather than a bits and pieces all rounder.
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*chucks pies
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October 27, 2018, 04:28 AM
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I dislike taking confused half and half in the team like Nasir and Moddadek who have at times had a confused place in the team
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October 27, 2018, 04:24 PM
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Our selectors frequently struggle to assess role of a player in the team, and too generous awarding allrounder tags. For example- for years they selected Hom as an offspinner-allrounder, before finally Miraz came up and had put an end to that farce.
Even now they're struggling to asses role of Arif in the team. IMO, Arif's bowling should be a non-factor in selection. If he is selected, he should be selected for his batting alone. His bowling can be a bonus only on occasions.
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October 27, 2018, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Eshen
Our selectors frequently struggle to assess role of a player in the team, and too generous awarding allrounder tags. For example- for years they selected Hom as an offspinner-allrounder, before finally Miraz came up and had put an end to that farce.
Even now they're struggling to asses role of Arif in the team. IMO, Arif's bowling should be a non-factor in selection. If he is selected, he should be selected for his batting alone. His bowling can be a bonus only on occasions.
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our selectors tries to add anything they can as a tag to a player for justifying their inclusion. Even before that, they always try to look for someone who can do a bit extra outside of their specialty. Typical "free khawa" mentality. Jodi 4 over ball korano jay, jodi 15 ta run ana jay....
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October 28, 2018, 12:27 AM
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I'll give it one last try though I'll probably regret it because everyone's mind is made up.
Normally, we've five bowlers (including AR Shakib) with Riyad as sixth option who bowls a few overs.
With Shakib out, both his batting and bowling needed to be replaced. It was replaced by a bowling AR (Saif) and a batting AR or a perceived batting AR (Fazle). (Saif did well enough with the ball to where he was used as full-time bowler in last game.)
You couldn't have picked a pure batsman for #3.
The fact Fazle didn't perform is another issue. It's hardly surprising a guy who was a nervous wreck and scored two ducks didn't perform with the ball either. And once again, he was only supposed to bowl a few overs.
Fazle wasn't earmarked for long-term #3 role. That's Shakib's. And Imrul is probably now backup option. Had Fazle done well, he would've been a candidate for the #7 role or backup/squad role (would've been a good 12th man).
What you want to complain about is the Test squad. Once again, a few players got picked for the wrong format. A running theme with Test selections.
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November 4, 2018, 10:39 PM
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Wonderful selection leading to yet another loss.... All this innings required was a someone with temperament to hold it together and we couldve atleast scored as much as they did
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November 5, 2018, 02:45 AM
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It’s unbelievable how the BD selectors and cricket think tank minds and ideas operates. Take this guy Apu for example. He was drafted in for T20s because of his good show in BPL, then had got into the ODI side. Now, the logic BD selectors using, that if he did well in T20s and show d something in odi’s that means his gonna be good in TEST. Whereas the genuine player who is doing well in the first class arena, in the longer format, Tushar Imran and few others, are not getting a call for test, despite the good shows and batting long and big innings consistently.
How do they justify Apus selection for test? Has Apu done something remarkable in the first class?
It’s a trend and it continues, will continue till the world ends. They did they same thing with Sarkar and Sabbir. Drafted them into LOI, that means they’r good for test.
Never do they learn. Never will as their brain is too small, IQ level is ultra poor. They’re just namesake selectors, having an easy job earning big bucks doing jackall. No pressure on them, unless the people/fans from the nearby Mirpur area protest for change in the righ manner in regards to cricketing whole system for good especially for test cricket and select players on merit not your gut feeling. Nothing will change. Nanu, bashar have it all to easy and comfortable.
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November 6, 2018, 11:28 PM
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When you select players for a test series based on their ODI and T20 form.. they turn up to play those formats you picked them based on. Not rocket science
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November 7, 2018, 02:16 AM
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One word. Shambles. Especially at
Test format.
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November 7, 2018, 12:11 PM
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in test match, I prefer experience more than young new comer or mix of new and old
that's why Tushar Imran and naeem islam should be included in 2nd test in absence of tamim and shakib. they will add valuable experience and prevent collapses
najmul Hossain shanto is not ready. ariful should be considered for ODI and T20 only. Fazle rabbi is not ready for anything
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November 7, 2018, 12:37 PM
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Get rid of this whole selection committee. Bring Faruk back and make him the head.
But nothing will change before WC so we are stuck with incompetent Nannu and Haba.
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November 7, 2018, 01:40 PM
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Tushar-Shadman-Nayeem-Marshal-Ash(c)-Nurul(wk)-Mosaddek-Shahadat-Ebadat-Sazedul (Sylhet)/Razzaq (Dhaka)-Enamul Jr.-Onik
This team can beat current national team easily
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November 7, 2018, 02:52 PM
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Why is Faruk not the selector anymore? anyone knows?
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November 7, 2018, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by iDumb
Why is Faruk not the selector anymore? anyone knows?
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Taken from https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-new...chief-selector
Faruque Ahmed, the former Bangladesh cricketer, stepped down as the country's chief selector on Sunday (June 19) after the Bangladesh Cricket Board approved changes to the selection process.
As per the change, Faruque was supposed to head a three-member panel that would pick the team which would then be forwarded to a six-member committee. BCB cricket operations chairman Akram Khan and BCB director Khaled Mahmud are a part of that committee. The final call would be taken by the president.
"It will be difficult to work in this system," Faruque told ESPNcricinfo. "We have to have scope to work without interference. The independence of the selectors will be greatly compromised. The new system isn't going to help Bangladesh cricket, as it won't be able to deliver. There will be shared accountability where no one would really know who took the decision."
"The decision has been taken, I will not work under this system. I will complete the formalities once I return home from the US."
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November 7, 2018, 11:26 PM
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the team shouldve been something like this for our tests this year without Tamim and Shakib
Imrul
Shadman
Mushy
Tushar
Naeem
Shanto
Liton
Miraz
Taijul
Roy
Rahi
Extras: Raj, Al Amin Hossain, Rony Talukdar, Mosaddek
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November 7, 2018, 11:26 PM
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the team shouldve been something like this for our tests this year without Tamim and Shakib
Imrul
Shadman
Mushy
Tushar
Naeem
Shanto
Liton
Miraz
Taijul
Roy
Rahi
Extras: Raj, Al Amin Hossain, Rony Talukdar, Mosaddek
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November 7, 2018, 11:36 PM
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just a quick thought....
Ben Foakes the debutant centurion for England played 90 First Class match before getting a call up
Nazmul Hossain Shanto got his call up maybe after 20 odd games.
This has been our case for almost every new player in the past 3-4 years. #inexperiencetalks
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November 7, 2018, 11:59 PM
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That’s what happens when you have a decently strong team, youngsters can’t break into it until they are older so they will have more experience.
In saying that Ollie pope has only played 22 FC matches and that includes his 2 test matches.
To make it hard for youngsters to break into the team you need a generation of quality cricketers like mushy, tamim and shakib. So to break this cycle you’ll possibly have to just pick a group of 15 players and stick with them until they come good no matter what, then maybe players coming in will have more experience because basically doing it that way you’re giving up a decade worth of results and sticking to building a team in that period rather than wins and losses and looking for the next hope.
But, doing that will be pointless if there isn’t more A team cricket and if the domestic game is improved and made more professional and competitive.
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November 13, 2018, 04:03 PM
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With brand new consistent performers from NCL
http://banglacricket.com/alochona/sh...&postcount=131
the fiasco in selection for Test team actually becomes a clear apparent process instead what Nannu/HaBa wants to portray.
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November 13, 2018, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Rinathq
Selection has always been a major debate in Bangladesh Cricket. For some reason, almost 100% of the time the think tank, the media, the fans and the actual selection committee cannot agree on a certain squad. I know I have been a big critique of our selection committee over the past. I have always thought our selectors are simply incompetent in differentiating different formats and operate from a special place in la la land when it comes to balancing prospect and experience. However, the recent selection fiasco starting from the West Indies series has given me the impression that our selectors are not incompetent but blatantly corrupt and dangerously arrogant.
As I mentioned, it started to get worse from the West Indies series with a few questionable moves. Not much could’ve said at that time since the test series was such a disaster and those minor changes may have not impacted the result. However, fast forwarding to the Asia Cup, it just got worse where they for whatever reason picked Mominul Haque who has struggled in the shorter format for as long as memory serves and picked an uncapped Nazmul Hossain Shanto for a condition even our seniors are not used to playing in. We know what happened after that. The entire tour was a top order disaster only to be rescued by Mushy, Imrul and Liton in separate games. They also picked Ariful and despite our batting failures throughout the tournament he did not get a chance to play a single game. Towards the end of the Asia cup they flew in Imrul Kayes and Soumya Sarkar straight from NCL which surprisingly our skipper had no knowledge about. Why bother consulting the skipper anyways right?
Following a successful Asia Cup, most people obviously forgot about how terribly our top order was exposed thanks to the selectors stupidity more than anything. With multiple injuries, it was expected that the selectors would be forced to make some proper changes to the lineup against Zimbabwe which is essentially a trial and error series at this point. Even though they made the changes but once again, it was ridiculous. They picked an uncapped Fazle Rabbi who despite having a decent A tour, has a track record of being a very average player. The selectors made a complete mockery by calling a “complete package” just because he was capable of rolling his arm for a few overs in domestic games. From the given lineup, once again Ariful and Abu Hider was ignored for second series in a row. Shanto who had a miserable tournament at no fault of his, was benched for the first two ODIs where really should’ve played every game in the tour. Imrul who was brought in as a middle order batsman in Asia Cup despite the top order struggle is now slotted back to open the innings. If I were Imrul, I would wake up every day to wonder what my batting position will be in the next game. What was even more surprising was the drop of Soumya Sarker who got picked in the middle of Asia Cup and again discarded for the ODI series. But wait! Soumya having scored a 100 in an academy ground and a few 50s in NCL which is a different format all together, got picked AGAIN in the middle of the series for the last ODI. Unsurprisingly enough, our skipper was once again unaware of this out of nowhere inclusion. This must be an added migraine to Mashrafe who is having trouble giving chances to the guys already in the team and all of them deserving game time.
Finally, the recent selections for the practice game and the test series is just beyond anyone’s understanding. Picking Ariful, Mithun, Shafiul, Khaled, Nazmul which is essentially 33% of the squad undeserving of the opportunity when there are players like Tushar Imran, Al Amin Hossain, Nurul Hasan that are far better candidates based on their past performance in the team or form in the domestics. The test team which has been struggling for last 18 years was begging for experience and there is simply no one better then Tushar Imran who has been scoring runs for fun for the past 2 years consistently. But he was ignored because apparently our domestic statistics doesn’t mean jack s**t in internationals. But again someone like Khaled Ahmed was picked because of the same jack s**t league performance. Contradictory much? What’s even more pathetic is that almost none of the players from the practice match squad that the selectors announced just a day before are not in the actual squad. You would think they would wait till the end of that practice to see how some of those fringe players doing. But picking squad is just a game for these guys at this point.
I have been calling all of these mistakes pure incompetence but I don’t think so anymore. Every time a reporter asks our chief selector Minhazul Abedin Nannu about a certain questionable selection, he has a templated response ready and it sounds like this: “We are going through a process” and then when asked about discarding seniors, he has another template, “Look, if someone performs in domestic it does not necessarily mean they will perform in internationals” Well Mr. Genius, if you knew so well how come after all these years you have failed to have some kind of permanence into any of our squads? If your beer pong strategy of picking players worked, we wouldn’t need to debut a new player every single series.
Our selectors are destroying out young talents and wasting our experienced veterans and one would think it’s an honest mistake but at this point it has gotten to a point of arrogance. Our selectors are not held accountable for any of the failures and as a result, they have been having a free reign on who they pick and choose. They pick uncapped guys from their own affiliated cricket clubs (Mohor Sheikh), they rotate around players without any consideration to their specialty, suitable format and then come up with some bulls**t excuse in the end. These selectors wouldn’t last one series for any other cricket board but in BCB, I guess money is the only thing that really talks.
Shame on these corrupt, arrogant individuals that were actually representing our country at one point. Singlehandedly destroying our talent and relying on our core players to bail them out every time.
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You sound very bitter.
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November 13, 2018, 04:07 PM
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Being bitter member is good, being a bitter moderator is a liability in my opinion in the long run. Sets up terrible feel in the mouth for customer service.
Loosen up, smile more. Those facial muscles will help release tension and stress and you will even appear prettier and live longer.
Don't hold so much resentment inside.
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November 13, 2018, 11:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeeshan
Being bitter member is good, being a bitter moderator is a liability in my opinion in the long run. Sets up terrible feel in the mouth for customer service.
Loosen up, smile more. Those facial muscles will help release tension and stress and you will even appear prettier and live longer.
Don't hold so much resentment inside.
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I appreciate your concern for my facial muscles sir but I think I will keep doing what I have been doing for the past 8 years. I believe in writing how I feel and I dont think that collides with my mod duties..................... yet!
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November 13, 2018, 11:24 PM
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Shadman, Nurul, and Mosaddek should come in for WI tests.
Apu, Liton, Mithun, Riyad should definitely be dropped.
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November 14, 2018, 08:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by al Furqaan
Shadman, Nurul, and Mosaddek should come in for WI tests.
Apu, Liton, Mithun, Riyad should definitely be dropped.
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Yeh... No
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