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Old December 10, 2014, 04:59 AM
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SL away test record is mediocre. I am not under any delusions of grandeur. I am not an Indian. As for the decline we are the Asian champions and the WT20 champions. I don't know how you missed that as we did it right in your backyard. Now crawl back to whatever hole you came in on.
I won't, none of us will....lol, homeless? or is it that no one is there in sl to talk about cricket....really insecure you are..
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Old December 10, 2014, 05:17 AM
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Lol, trying to act like a typical Aussie totally unaware beside the Ashes. And you are waiting right, yeah, would like to congratulate you that your wait is finally over. 264 v 251 says enough really about the quality of your ODI team. And tests lol, couldnt even win against Oz at home with your legends. And you think SL are good? Sanga Jaya is over...and sadly, looks like no one is there to replace them, talking about perceptions, all i remember about sl is shakib thrashing mendis and murali in 2009...since you brought up 2007, atleast i rember something later...anyways. i feel ye, the decline hurts, and you are welcome to vent your frustrations here....
Watch out for Mathews and Thirimane. Mathews in particular could explode with a senior role, already averages 50+ in Tests and 40+ in ODI's.

You know a reject like Kapugedera (Who wont make it to Sri Lanka A Team) has come in Dhaka Premier League and scored 365 runs of 5 games, whereas the likes of Naeem, Shamsur have scored similar in twice the number of games.
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Old December 10, 2014, 05:29 AM
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I do like reading your post. But, I don't think you're being neither objective nor commonsensical here with such howlers as "smarter", "better gene" or "braver". That's way too much of a generalisation and cannot really be quantified, therefore, can't be objective. You have been here long enough to know that one simply shouldn't read everything literally. That "competing with Zimbabwe" needed to be read with a pinch of salt.

Tamim, Shakib, Mushfiq were not even born when De Silva, Sanga or Mahela started playing Test. Therefore, its a complete non-starter. Lets wait until they retire or have played 100 Tests each to make that comparison. Shakib has been a top allrounder in all formats for almost 8 years now and he is still not 28. If you really think about it deeply and check all the stats you will find he already a one of the greats. How many Shakibs are going around in world cricket -let alone SL! Its all good to be level headed and having feet on the ground and all but not at the expense of undervaluing or appreciating our own achievements. That's not healthy in any sense of the word, my friend.
Thanks man, enjoyed this discussion with you. Appreciate your passion for our game .

But see although you see the "Smarter" "Braver" comparisons as howlers, it does make a difference. Consider Arjuna Ranatunga who they still call the best captain SL has ever produced. How he and his team devised a game changing tactic of attacking in the 15 overs, and restricting oppositions runs in 15-40 overs. And then how he bravely defender Murali against Darrel Hair. I am sorry but i havent seen a Bangladeshi captain with half the influence and leadership of Arjuna. Then think of Sanga, who is considered one of the most polished cricketers of all time. Its not the eloquence of how he talks, also how he thinks, how he approaches the game, how he decides before he plays any shot, his calmness, professionalism has taken him to where he is today-probably one of the all time greats.

We dont have many cricketers like them. Its not just abt skill, a lot of what you do in cricket has to do with your habits, your attitude etc. Sorry to digress, but there is a reason why mega Bangladeshi garments factories hire Sri Lankans as factory managers and not our own qualified graduates, same reason why we ve even employed so many Sri Lankan coaches in the past from the early 2000's.

Big fan of Shakib, and very proud of what he has done. Pretty sure he could still end up one of the all time great all rounders-at least in ODI's. I only wish he had a bit more drive and consistency like say a Sanga which could have taken him to an unreachable height.
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Old December 10, 2014, 10:19 AM
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03 SL reached semis
There must have been some glitch that year with forfeitures or walkovers. SL lost every game of the super 6 round in minnow fashion and yet made semis. They were absolutely pounded. Also Kenya made semis that tourney also. Its like if BD had made the semis in 2011 with the same exact performance we had.
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Old December 11, 2014, 12:27 AM
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You really do sound like a Lankan spirit trapped in a Deshi body, Jeesh. Married to any Miss Lanka, by any chance?
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Old December 11, 2014, 01:25 AM
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i think we will be under prepared

when all top 8 is playing with each other multiple series before wc, we are playing only with zimbabwe and associates, we will suffer when we face top 8
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Old December 11, 2014, 01:31 AM
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You really do sound like a Lankan spirit trapped in a Deshi body, Jeesh. Married to any Miss Lanka, by any chance?
Lol. Admirer of Sri Lanka cricket because they do so much with limited resources, and we have a lot to learn from them. But as a fan, Tigers or nothing!

You guessed right bro. Married to a Lankan, but she is one of those who doesnt care about cricket.
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So, she didn't marry you because of your cricketing knowledge or prowess?
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Old December 11, 2014, 09:13 AM
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Do the little things. One game at a time. Do your homework. Know your opponents strengths and weaknesses. See how the pitch behaves. Try to take advantage creating a strategy. Use your strengths to kick ***. Believe.

If a win comes, take it with open arms. Now is the time to put in the hard work. Not much time left. Coach needs to pull out the boys and do the above collectively. Everyone should be on board on how to attack.

As BCF already mentioned, adjusting to the weather is one of the important keys. But it is summer there, shouldn't be a problem. No bugs or injury, that is all I pray.
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Do the little things. One game at a time. Do your homework. Know your opponents strengths and weaknesses. See how the pitch behaves. Try to take advantage creating a strategy. Use your strengths to kick ***. Believe.

If a win comes, take it with open arms. Now is the time to put in the hard work. Not much time left. Coach needs to pull out the boys and do the above collectively. Everyone should be on board on how to attack.

As BCF already mentioned, adjusting to the weather is one of the important keys. But it is summer there, shouldn't be a problem. No bugs or injury, that is all I pray.
Well said. Overall boys need to be focussed.
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World Cup Schedule - BD matches - Eastern Timezone - NA
1. Bangladesh vs Afghanistan - Feb 17 Tues - 10.20pm

2. Bangladesh vs Australia - Feb 20 Friday - 10.20pm

3. Bangladesh vs Sri Lanka - Feb 25 Wed - 10.20pm

4. Bangladesh vs Scotland - March 04 Wed - 5pm

5. Bangladesh vs England - March 08 Sun - 11.20pm

6. Bangladesh vs New Zealand - March 12 Thurs - 9pm

I already trying adjusting my work schedule accordingly ....
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ICC Support : Bangladesh vs. Others
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Critics of Bangladesh often argue that if Ireland or Afghanistan had been given the same support that Bangladesh gets, they would be better sides. Of course we will never know for sure, until and if, those countries get a crack at 14 years of Test cricket. Maybe 20 years from now we will, if Ireland and Afghanistan get Test status. However, looking at ICC’s current level of support, it is evident that ICC is giving at least as much support to the top Associates, if not more than was given to Bangladesh.
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Old December 27, 2014, 01:39 AM
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Looks like the selectors want to see this batting order:

Tamim
Anamul
???
Riyad
Shakib
Mushy
Sabbir

I don't like it for the following reasons. Mushy and Shakib are our 2 best batsmen, they shouldn't be batting at 5 and 6. They are both good finishers, can hit out at the end, and take advantage of the batting PP...but we need them to do the bulk of the scoring up front. IMO, they should be at #4 and 5. They could even be 3/4.

Tamim and Anamul generally bat slow in the PP. They have problems with singles, and that won't matter if they can hit enough boundaries to score 50-60 runs in the first 10 overs. But they all too often score under 40. We need at least 45 runs in teh first 10 otherwise it will be tough to consistently score over 250. And we will need 270 minimum to compete.

Ergo, my lineup is:

Tamim
Soumya
Anamul
Mushy
Shakib
Nasir
Sabbir

Riyad is a liability, and like Imrul, he can score runs but will only do so in a shommanjanok porajoy manner.
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Looks like the selectors want to see this batting order:

Tamim
Anamul
???
Riyad
Shakib
Mushy
Sabbir

I don't like it for the following reasons. Mushy and Shakib are our 2 best batsmen, they shouldn't be batting at 5 and 6. They are both good finishers, can hit out at the end, and take advantage of the batting PP...but we need them to do the bulk of the scoring up front. IMO, they should be at #4 and 5. They could even be 3/4.

Tamim and Anamul generally bat slow in the PP. They have problems with singles, and that won't matter if they can hit enough boundaries to score 50-60 runs in the first 10 overs. But they all too often score under 40. We need at least 45 runs in teh first 10 otherwise it will be tough to consistently score over 250. And we will need 270 minimum to compete.

Ergo, my lineup is:

Tamim
Soumya
Anamul
Mushy
Shakib
Nasir
Sabbir

Riyad is a liability, and like Imrul, he can score runs but will only do so in a shommanjanok porajoy manner.
Selectors may go like this :
Tamim
Anamul
Soumya
Riyad
Shakib
Mushy
Sabbir

If needed Nasir may come at #8 in case of poor batting. Specially against srilanka and Afghanistan.
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If I could pick a squad for he playing eleven would be as follows:

1.) Tamim (if fit, I would much prefer he curbed his attacking instincts and play in a similar fashion to how he compiled his century in 2013 against Sri Lanka... In Australia, a well compiled 70-80 at a strike rate of 75-85 is a hell of a lot better than a 30 at a run a ball plus)

1.) Shamsur Rahman (If Tamim isn't fit, he is quite an elegant batsmen to watch, as he demonstrated with a vivacious 96 against New Zealand, I don't think the selectors should give up with him. A left-right combo at the top will help our players to disrupt the fast bowlers in helpful down under conditions).

2.) Anamul (He's young, kind of aggressive but does not in my opinion have the capacity to flay an attack, playing him anywhere outside of the top 3 will mean his sluggish batting will be detrimental to team run rate. If he could play a similar role as he has done against Zimbabwe it would create the ideal batsmen for one drop and 4 to utilize. Anamul's technique isn't the greatest, but he himself has even noted that many batsmen have succeeded at the top level with less than ideal techniques. He is still very young and have performed in Australian conditions, he is our best punt at being the anchor in an innings.)

3.) Mominul (Untested in bouncy conditions, although he performed relatively well in the Caribbean. Many members of the forum always talk about ensuring that a player is not simply picked in one format on the basis of form in the other. Give Mominul a run in the ODI team and if he fails to deliver, harness his skills into becoming a test specialist.If he was to play in the world cup, number three would best use his skills as he is equally adapted to playing pace as well as spin, just needs to put in the hard graft and not get carried away).

4.) The mighty atom (temperamentally probably one of our best, he needs to channel his batting into focusing on team objectives which he does 75% of the time - unlike that half century against WI in the third odi 2014, that kind of batting will not raise any credentials - but our best bat, can move in multiple gears and change according to match situations. The only issue he could face is the rising ball, a small man he will need to best use his technique to tackle the short stuff. But he has it in him and without the captaincy to burden him, inshallah he will be our rock in the middle).

5.) Shakib (No brainer, even out of form he is without a shadow of a doubt the ace in our sleeve. Along with Mushy, he is gifted with having a great temperament despite not having the greatest technique in batting. He needs to turn up for BD, score quickly when he needs to or rotate the strike as he so well does. I don't want to see him flashing his blade in the first 30 balls he faces, he is a class act to watch when his is settled, whilst maintaining his strike rate above 80 as he runs his runs hard. I do not think there is a better player in the world at repair jobs as Shakib... We need Shakib to turn up big time, along with Mushy, he will need to guide this batting through Australia. In regards to his bowling, he will need to bowl a mix of his T20 stuff darting it in quick at the stumps and play on the fragility of the batsmen against spin - the group we are in have some serious technical deficiencies against spin and if Shakib can get some bite and bounce, he will be deadly... Can Shakib do what Kapil Dev did? Maybe not, but with Shakib comes a hope...).

6.) I am not too sure about the number 6, Riyad seems to be the obvious choice but inconsistency and lack of match awareness will result in us losing crucial moments in the game. The other options are similar, although Nasir seems to be hitting back some form but would it be in our best interests to pick an out of sorts Nasir? It wouldn't send the right message to all of the players as he has not done enough to justify his spot in the team. I remember reading a comment from Sohag Gazi saying he deserved to be in the WC squad, comments like this don't help. These players need to work hard, take wickets, score runs and give the selectors a reason to pick them up not just use old statistics as a justification for selection. Look at Ashton Agar or look at Jesse Ryder, don't perform, don't play. I like the idea of having Sabbir Rahman as our number 6 but it's too early to blood him into such a high pressure situation. It would be perfect if he could play in some international domestic T20's, with the exposure and his skill set he could become a devastating force in ODI's and T20. His batting style resembles a skinny Sewhag, well co-ordinated and the ability to create power from his base shots). I would pick number 6 as a specialist bat, maybe bowl the odd over but as a team prone to collapse, our number 6 is as important as number 3.

7.) Mashrafe Mortaza (Bowl his ten overs up front, and utilize his batting. A team man, Mash will provide that sense of urgency with the bat and provide needed control with the ball. In what is his last shot at playing in the world cup - well I hope anyway - we need Mash to lead our raw pace attack. I wouldn't bowl him after the batting pp is close, his inability to land it in the blockhole will not aid our cause. Bowl tight upfront, keep runs in check and nip out the top order and we will be 50% of the way there from a bowling perspective. I wish Nazmul was in contention, he and Mash would make a very tricky pair to negotiate).

8.) Al Amin (bowl change and keep it tight. Has the variations to be a very useful ODI bowler but lacks the venom of a genuine fast bowler. Need's to keep it tight and keep the batsmen guessing. Utilize his death bowling skills using him with Shakib in the powerplay overs (batting pp). Needs to complete his 10 and keep his fitness up. Fast bowlers will be hard worked in this world cup. No mug with the bat, needs to stick around if (and when) our batting is in tatters).

9.) Taskin (use him in short burts, bowl 3-4 overs up front and look to pitch the ball up as full as he can. His action will naturally give him swing and bounce - a fired up Taskin is probably the only thing we can rip through another team with).

10.) Tajiul/Arafat (both are inexperienced but very good bowlers, if the need arises rotate the two although darting the ball fast and at the stumps always pays dividends down under, Sunny could edge it for me... Tajiul is also scared of the pace bowlers, maybe keep him away from batting :P)

11.) This last spot is for another pacer, but like number 6 there is no one who stands out. Rubel is inconsistent and can leak runs like Bangladeshi sewage. Shafiul is marginally better, but both are steady at best. Robiul would do well down under, but he's fallen off the radar. Maybe we can just play with 10, we'd have a better chance of winning to be honest...) .
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I gave up reading when I saw you have Mash at 7.
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Bg , this is a long tail. Can't agree with your lineup sorry
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Mash at 7 is a gamble but what are the other options? If Riyad and Nasir are included in the same line up, you're picking two players to do the job of one. If they both fail to fire, expect sub 200 scores regularly. You want a fast bowling all rounder at 7 and even if he is not a genuine all rounder, Mashrafe is no mug with the bat, blind slogger nonetheless... Anyways who else will actually look to score runs in the 40th over, Hom? You have to remember it is an ODI world cup, you don't need 30 ball 18's from your number 7. Zia is an option but he is probably on par with Mashrafe when it comes to batting but as a bowler he isn't on par with Mashrafe. Who should bat 7 then Nadim mate?

On the tail being too long, at which point do you realize filling your team with batsmen up to 8,9 do you forget having 50 overs of tight, accurate bowling will win you more games than not. It only takes 5-6 overs of part time bowlers being torn apart to completely shift the fabric of the game.You would much prefer bowlers who take wickets and curb the run flow than someone who you give the ball to when all else is exhausted. You have six genuine bats, 6 genuine bowlers - only can Bangladesh take a player like Shakib and not mould a team around him. You are essentially playing 12 players, use that advantage. How much batting do you want the 7,8 and 9 to do? Ideally they should only be there in the last 5 overs if batting at all.
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Looks like the selectors want to see this batting order:

Tamim
Anamul
???
Riyad
Shakib
Mushy
Sabbir

I don't like it for the following reasons. Mushy and Shakib are our 2 best batsmen, they shouldn't be batting at 5 and 6. They are both good finishers, can hit out at the end, and take advantage of the batting PP...but we need them to do the bulk of the scoring up front. IMO, they should be at #4 and 5. They could even be 3/4.

Tamim and Anamul generally bat slow in the PP. They have problems with singles, and that won't matter if they can hit enough boundaries to score 50-60 runs in the first 10 overs. But they all too often score under 40. We need at least 45 runs in teh first 10 otherwise it will be tough to consistently score over 250. And we will need 270 minimum to compete.

Ergo, my lineup is:

Tamim
Soumya
Anamul
Mushy
Shakib
Nasir
Sabbir

Riyad is a liability, and like Imrul, he can score runs but will only do so in a shommanjanok porajoy manner.
If Nasir is in inform then id like this lineup but with nasir's technique i feel like he will be outdone by extra bounce. And if Soumya knows his role which is to make quick runs in the early pp overs then yeah that lineup is the way to go. Riyad will somewhat be a liability.
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Afsar Zazai, the 21-year-old wicketkeeper batsman, and 18-year-old batsman Usman Ghani have been picked in Afghanistan's squad for the 2015 World Cup, the side's maiden appearance at the tournament. Wicketkeeper-batsman Shafiqullah has been named among the four standbys for the squad, which will be led by captain Mohammad Nabi.
Afghanistan's World Cup squad
Mohammad Nabi (captain), Nawroz Mangal, Asghar Stanikzai, Samiullah Shenwari, Afsar Zazai (wk), Najibullah Zadran, Nasir Jamal, Mirwais Ashraf, Gulbadin Naib, Hamid Hassan, Shapoor Zadran, Dawlat Zadran, Aftab Alam, Javed Ahmadi, Usman Ghani

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Afghanistan's World Cup squad
Mohammad Nabi (captain), Nawroz Mangal, Asghar Stanikzai, Samiullah Shenwari, Afsar Zazai (wk), Najibullah Zadran, Nasir Jamal, Mirwais Ashraf, Gulbadin Naib, Hamid Hassan, Shapoor Zadran, Dawlat Zadran, Aftab Alam, Javed Ahmadi, Usman Ghani

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Garbage batting line up from them.

Bar Ghani,Nabi and Shenwari they all have 60 SR's. Check them on cricinfo.

Must be nepotism involved tbh. That Zazai fella scored at a 55 SR versus the UAE in 3 matches in the UAE, how on earth could they pick him. Stanikzai is a slow version of Younis Khan if thats even possible. Mangal I personally dont rate although he done well recently

I cannot see that line up posting anything above 200 too often if at all.
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Old December 29, 2014, 04:46 PM
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Garbage batting line up from them.

Bar Ghani,Nabi and Shenwari they all have 60 SR's. Check them on cricinfo.

Must be nepotism involved tbh. That Zazai fella scored at a 55 SR versus the UAE in 3 matches in the UAE, how on earth could they pick him. Stanikzai is a slow version of Younis Khan if thats even possible. Mangal I personally dont rate although he done well recently

I cannot see that line up posting anything above 200 too often if at all.
Don't much about their players. Will have to check PP and other forums to see how AFG fans feel about their squad. ZIM fans seem to be sure that idiotic selections like Utseya, Maruma, and Sibanda are certainties.
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Don't much about their players. Will have to check PP and other forums to see how AFG fans feel about their squad. ZIM fans seem to be sure that idiotic selections like Utseya, Maruma, and Sibanda are certainties.
Tbh I wouldnt trust subcontinental fans at all no offence intended. A lot of them seem to have this sheep mentality where anyone selected for their team is Gods greatest gift and they'll ignore all faults. Not all but a decent minority IMO

Hell some Afghans on twitter were calling for Mohammed freakin Shehzad to be in the team. A man who is overweight, cant run and is a crap version of Afridi without the bowling skills. Honestly surprised he isnt in the squad, guess the ACB are smarter than the PCB.

Hashmatullah and Shafiqullah are better than Zazai and Jamal, 2 players with sub 60!!! (60!!) SR's.

With Stanikzai in the line up they will be entirely reliant on Ghani, Nabi and Shenwari to get them to a decent score as the rest cannot bat quickly at all.

They've also taken a HUGE gamble in going with zero specialist spinners, and instead relying on part timers. That could be a gargantuan mistake tbh.
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