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Old May 21, 2015, 11:35 PM
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Define talent. Why is ashraful so high in the list with such a mediocre record. Talent is not just the ability to play shots. Talent is your work ethic and everything included
talent is what you can do great, naturally. working hard and all just being a hard worker, not talented.
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Old May 22, 2015, 12:19 AM
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Nafis Iqbal had quite a reputation as a 13-14 year old. Used to hit bowlers twice his size and age for sixes even as a tiny little guy. He wasnt far behind Ashraful at age group level. Unfortunately sth went wrong along the way.

Raqibul Hasan was the most technically sound batsman among his peers (Including Shakib). He wasnt probably as strong willed. Had he been around, our number 3 issue wouldnt be there.

Rajin Saleh another major dissappointment. Whatmore compared his grit to that of De Silva, and said he wanted two or three Rajin's in the team. One of the fittest players, and best fielders in the team. Also known for his work ethic. He was also touted as a future captain from 16.

Finally Mr Alok Kapali who had everything in his arsenal to become a complete batsman with all the shots in the book. In the early 90's i admired Mark Waugh for his elegant batting style. Kapali gave us quite a bit of viewing pleasure in his short yet inconsistent career. Cant explain why he too fizzed out.

This is why the HP Unit is so important. Players will debut do well, and then lose form. Its a natural cycle. Unless we have a mechanism to get these guys back to shape and form we will keep losing out on talent.
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Old May 22, 2015, 12:23 AM
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Junaid Siddiqui now plays for Canada just so you know, seemed to have a big fall from grace as he was a regular in the 2011 WC for Ban IIRC
No dude no.

That's a different junaid Siddique.

Crapinfo got it wrong...
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Old May 22, 2015, 12:36 AM
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Junaid Siddiqui now plays for Canada just so you know, seemed to have a big fall from grace as he was a regular in the 2011 WC for Ban IIRC
What? he is one my fav.. gota be kidding
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Old May 22, 2015, 12:39 AM
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Nafis Iqbal had quite a reputation as a 13-14 year old. Used to hit bowlers twice his size and age for sixes even as a tiny little guy. He wasnt far behind Ashraful at age group level. Unfortunately sth went wrong along the way.

Raqibul Hasan was the most technically sound batsman among his peers (Including Shakib). He wasnt probably as strong willed. Had he been around, our number 3 issue wouldnt be there.

Rajin Saleh another major dissappointment. Whatmore compared his grit to that of De Silva, and said he wanted two or three Rajin's in the team. One of the fittest players, and best fielders in the team. Also known for his work ethic. He was also touted as a future captain from 16.

Finally Mr Alok Kapali who had everything in his arsenal to become a complete batsman with all the shots in the book. In the early 90's i admired Mark Waugh for his elegant batting style. Kapali gave us quite a bit of viewing pleasure in his short yet inconsistent career. Cant explain why he too fizzed out.

This is why the HP Unit is so important. Players will debut do well, and then lose form. Its a natural cycle. Unless we have a mechanism to get these guys back to shape and form we will keep losing out on talent.
Nafis gave up for his brother. he was far better javed omar and shahriar Nafees. they decided as a family that Tamim would represent them in BD cricket.
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Old May 22, 2015, 01:19 AM
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Nafis gave up for his brother. he was far better javed omar and shahriar Nafees. they decided as a family that Tamim would represent them in BD cricket.
And they discussed this family decision with you? Or is it another one of your brilliant assumption?
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Old May 22, 2015, 01:22 AM
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Nafis gave up for his brother. he was far better javed omar and shahriar Nafees. they decided as a family that Tamim would represent them in BD cricket.
lol this is just too funny. didn't know they had to follow a family quota
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Old May 22, 2015, 02:10 AM
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কাপালী নাকি জাতীয় দলে আসার ক্ষেত্রে ফারুকের প্ল্যান বি তেও নেই! এতোটা শত্রুতা কেন ওর সাথে? http://www.priyo.com/blog/2015/05/21...=&st_refQuery=
Thanks for sharing. It was very nicely written article. No doubt Faruk is our one of the best selector still he has his limits. We need better selectors.
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Old May 22, 2015, 02:16 AM
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Define talent. Why is ashraful so high in the list with such a mediocre record. Talent is not just the ability to play shots. Talent is your work ethic and everything included
I am telling about raw talent. I think G Man described well few post back.
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Old May 22, 2015, 02:33 AM
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Nafis gave up for his brother. he was far better javed omar and shahriar Nafees. they decided as a family that Tamim would represent them in BD cricket.
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Old May 22, 2015, 02:45 AM
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Talent is not just the ability to play shots. Talent is your work ethic and everything included
Talent is just the ability ... If you have the work ethics and yet can't make it, be sure you don't have the ability, so you aren't a talented guy. Most of the talents fail because they lack the work ethics. Without a good work ethics, you can't sustain good performance for a long time just by your talent.... Work ethics is very important.

Sometimes, One may be successful through good work ethics alone, through hard work.... But that's very hard.
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Old May 22, 2015, 02:48 AM
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And they discussed this family decision with you? Or is it another one of your brilliant assumption?
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Old May 22, 2015, 03:02 AM
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Talent is just the ability ... If you have the work ethics and yet can't make it, be sure you don't have the ability, so you aren't a talented guy. Most of the talents fail because they lack the work ethics. Without a good work ethics, you can't sustain good performance for a long time just by your talent.... Work ethics is very important.

Sometimes, One may be successful through good work ethics alone, through hard work.... But that's very hard.
Ash is the most talented batsman ever born in Bangladesh. He has a good work ethics and still the most underachiever . So you need a brain as well.
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Old May 22, 2015, 04:07 AM
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Junaid Siddiqui now plays for Canada just so you know, seemed to have a big fall from grace as he was a regular in the 2011 WC for Ban IIRC
Lol dude, that guy is Pakistan born.
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Old May 22, 2015, 04:29 AM
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Alok, ash, aftab these tree to me had every kind of elements to become best players of bd but disappointing true they just became good for nothing. I was big fan of alok and ash but boy they did disappointed me and many thousands times
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Old May 22, 2015, 05:42 AM
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Lol dude, that guy is Pakisani born.
In my defence, how the hell am I supposed to know there's 2 Junaid Siddiquis lol.

Besides I definitely recall someone somewhere saying he was a former BD player
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Old May 22, 2015, 05:59 AM
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Alop Kapali. Ash to bibechonatay ashbe na karon o korte parto seitai to thik moton jante parlam na.
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Old May 22, 2015, 06:41 AM
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Ash is the most talented batsman ever born in Bangladesh. He has a good work ethics and still the most underachiever . So you need a brain as well.
Brain is needed for every human action, that's not an isolated element.

How can you say he had a good work ethics? That's the thing he was lacking most, hence under achieved. He wasn't self disciplined, that could only come from good work ethics.

Whatever he achieved, that's just due to his talent.
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Old May 23, 2015, 05:46 AM
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Aftab Ahmed. ...he had immense talent. Because he was averse to hard work, he achieved nothing.
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Old May 23, 2015, 09:45 AM
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aftab er naam shunlei aami keno jeno aabsa alotay kerosin tel er gondho pai.
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Old May 23, 2015, 09:51 AM
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aftab er naam shunlei aami keno jeno aabsa alotay kerosin tel er gondho pai.
Chokka naam shunlei amar Aftab ke Mone pore. Tamim pore tar sorbadhik chokkar record bhangleo ami mone kori Aftab e amader ek number six hitter. Aftab 80 match khele je koyta chokka merechilo Tamim ke shei record bhangte 120+ match khelte hoecche.
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Ash probably fixed half his innings..only Batsman in history to middle it slip over and over again
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Old May 23, 2015, 10:37 AM
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Nafis Iqbal had quite a reputation as a 13-14 year old. Used to hit bowlers twice his size and age for sixes even as a tiny little guy. He wasnt far behind Ashraful at age group level. Unfortunately sth went wrong along the way.
When he opened his mouth as England bowling attack is ordinary. Must be humble. Respect opposition specially when you are a batsman.
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Raqibul Hasan was the most technically sound batsman among his peers (Including Shakib). He wasnt probably as strong willed. Had he been around, our number 3 issue wouldnt be there.
Anger will take down the best of them. He thought of himself too high as a player.
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Rajin Saleh another major dissappointment. Whatmore compared his grit to that of De Silva, and said he wanted two or three Rajin's in the team. One of the fittest players, and best fielders in the team. Also known for his work ethic. He was also touted as a future captain from 16.
One of my favorite players. Other talents replaced him. Hard truth.
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Finally Mr Alok Kapali who had everything in his arsenal to become a complete batsman with all the shots in the book. In the early 90's i admired Mark Waugh for his elegant batting style. Kapali gave us quite a bit of viewing pleasure in his short yet inconsistent career. Cant explain why he too fizzed out.
Not understanding INTL cricket at all.
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This is why the HP Unit is so important. Players will debut do well, and then lose form. Its a natural cycle. Unless we have a mechanism to get these guys back to shape and form we will keep losing out on talent.
I think decentralization is more important. That way these players can go back to their (permanent) board teams and sort things out.

Our current setup is all short-term.
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Old May 23, 2015, 10:58 AM
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In my defence, how the hell am I supposed to know there's 2 Junaid Siddiquis lol.

Besides I definitely recall someone somewhere saying he was a former BD player
Lesson 1: common desi muslim names.

Mohammad, Junaid, Imran, Aftab, Ahmed/Ahmad, Javed, Syed, Saeed, Hasan/Hassan, etc.

There is an Aftab Ahmed who plays for Denmark...not the Bangladeshi Aftab!

An Irishman named O'Brien is less common than a brown guy named Ahmed.
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Junaid is born in Rajshahi.

Zunaid is the other hand Liechetistein
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