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Old June 8, 2019, 11:00 PM
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What difference does one bowler make?

England vs. Pakistan: They kept out Liam Plunkett(He is a maestro of keeping opposition quiet AND picking up crucial wickets in the middle overs). and look at happened. England chose the correct team combination for today's match, and it clearly shows in their performance.

Bangladesh left out that extra attacking seam bowler(Rubel). Chasing 320-340 on this pitch is significantly easier than chasing 387 on any pitch.

In case, someone has nightmarish spell with the ball(Saifuddin + Fizz) you have back up options who can fill in and keep it tight at least. and then the guys who had a bad spell can find encouragement and come back stronger to lift up team morale.

Rubel Hossain is a very similar bowler to plunkett that he operates in the middle overs...you would be surprised to see how strikingly similar they are. Only excuse I am willing to give Steve Rhodes/Mash/Walsh and team management is if Rubel is seriously injured. then why did you not select Abu Jayed? If you have no faith in Abu Jayed, then why was he selected in the world cup squad to begin with???
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Old June 8, 2019, 11:19 PM
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it's laughable how some are crapping over saif. He is a valuable member in this team. He is also a good death over bowler. And no Rubel isn't gonna be some saviour with the ball sorry to break it to you. But Mash, Saif, Rubel will compliment each other's bowling and they should all be the XI.
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Old June 8, 2019, 11:59 PM
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it's laughable how some are crapping over saif. He is a valuable member in this team. He is also a good death over bowler. And no Rubel isn't gonna be some saviour with the ball sorry to break it to you. But Mash, Saif, Rubel will compliment each other's bowling and they should all be the XI.
Actually saif is going to be a long term asset for us
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Old June 9, 2019, 12:08 AM
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against srilanka..team should be ..
tamim
soumya
shakib
mushfiq
mahmudullah
mosaddek
shabbir
miraj
mashrafee
rubel
mustafiz
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Old June 9, 2019, 12:42 AM
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i genuinely believe mehedy should be at 5. He has the heart and brains to be there and it's high time the management trust him in that position.
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Old June 9, 2019, 12:44 AM
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1. Tamim
2. Soumya
3. Shak
4. Mushy
5. Mehedy
6. Riyad
7. Mossa
8. Saif
9. Mash
10. Rubel
11, Fizz
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I don’t think Mehedi is ready, needs to put up consistently good innings at 7/8 to get moved into the top 6, especially the way he started his international career with the bat (looked nothing but like a tail ender upon his arrival to international cricket). I’m assuming he is a lot better than when he first came along, if not then he’s not even a number 7 and probably not even a number 8.
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If we go by just stats we are selecting the best 7 batsman in the team in last 5 years vs WC opponents

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Old June 9, 2019, 02:06 AM
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What difference does one bowler make?

England vs. Pakistan: They kept out Liam Plunkett(He is a maestro of keeping opposition quiet AND picking up crucial wickets in the middle overs). and look at happened. England chose the correct team combination for today's match, and it clearly shows in their performance.

Bangladesh left out that extra attacking seam bowler(Rubel). Chasing 320-340 on this pitch is significantly easier than chasing 387 on any pitch.

In case, someone has nightmarish spell with the ball(Saifuddin + Fizz) you have back up options who can fill in and keep it tight at least. and then the guys who had a bad spell can find encouragement and come back stronger to lift up team morale.

Rubel Hossain is a very similar bowler to plunkett that he operates in the middle overs...you would be surprised to see how strikingly similar they are. Only excuse I am willing to give Steve Rhodes/Mash/Walsh and team management is if Rubel is seriously injured. then why did you not select Abu Jayed? If you have no faith in Abu Jayed, then why was he selected in the world cup squad to begin with???
Even the selection of Rubel would have made no difference if BD had bowled first. His selection would only make sense if BD batted first.

The bigger mistake was the toss. As of today, no team has yet successfully chased anything above 250 in this WC and won.

Former cricketer Aminul thinks fielding first was a mistake:

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আমার সবচেয়ে অবাক লেগেছে কাল টস জেতার পর ব্যাটিং না নেওয়ার সিদ্ধান্তটা। কার্ডিফে আগের দিন বৃষ্টি হয়েছে। বৃষ্টি হলে উইকেটের নিচে ভেজা থাকে। সে ক্ষেত্রে বোলাররা বাড়তি সুবিধা পায়—সাধারণ জ্ঞানে এমনটা মাথায় আসাটা অস্বাভাবিক নয়। কিন্তু বাংলাদেশ দলের সঙ্গে তো একটা থিংক ট্যাংক আছে। সেখানে অধিনায়ক মাশরাফি বিন মুর্তজা একা নন। আছেন, ম্যানেজার খালেদ মাহমুদ, কোচ স্টিভ রোডস। নির্বাচক কমিটির সদস্য হাবিবুল বাশারও আছেন সেখানে। এঁরা সবাই মিলেই পরিকল্পনা করেন। আমার কাছে মনে হয়েছে, বাংলাদেশ দলের থিংক ট্যাংক উইকেট কিংবা কন্ডিশনটা ঠিকভাবে পড়তে পারেননি। কাল আমরা টসে জিতে ব্যাটিং করে যদি ২৭০-২৮০ করতে পারতাম, তাহলে ইংল্যান্ড চাপে থাকত। টসে জিতে ইংল্যান্ডের মতো দলকে ব্যাটিংয়ে পাঠানো ছিল রীতিমতো আত্মঘাতী সিদ্ধান্ত। যে দলটা সাম্প্রতিককালে প্রতি দশ ম্যাচের সাতটিতেই সাড়ে তিন শ করে রান তুলেছে, তাদের হাতে আমরা কীভাবে অস্ত্র তুলে দিই!
Also his observation is correct about our team selection and fielding+RBW

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কালকের ম্যাচে আরও একটা জিনিস আমাকে হতাশ করেছে। আমার কাছে মনে হচ্ছে, বাংলাদেশ দলের টিম ম্যানেজমেন্ট গতানুগতিক ধারায় গা ভাসিয়ে দিয়েছে। তারা নির্দিষ্ট কিছুর বাইরে চিন্তা করতে পারছে না। একেক প্রতিপক্ষের শক্তিমত্তা একেক রকম। সে হিসেবে প্রতিটি দলের বিপক্ষে কৌশল হওয়া উচিত আলাদা আলাদা। যে কৌশলে আমরা দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকাকে হারিয়েছি, সে কৌশল ইংল্যান্ডের বিপক্ষে কাজে না-ও আসতে পারে। মাঝেমধ্যে পরিকল্পনা পুনর্বিন্যাস করতে হয়। সেটা আমরা দেখছি না। পরিকল্পনার মধ্যেও দুরকম ব্যাপার দেখছি। কাল ‘উইকেটের সুবিধা আদায়’ করার লক্ষ্যে টসে জিতে আমরা টসে জিতে বোলিং নিলাম, অথচ, আমরা রুবেল হোসেনকে দলে নিলাম না। আক্রমণ শুরু করলাম স্পিন দিয়ে।

রানিং বিটুইন দ্য উইকেট আর ফিল্ডিংয়ে চরম দুর্বলতা দেখছি। বোলিং হচ্ছে নখদন্তহীন। সামনের ম্যাচগুলোর আগে এই জায়গাগুলোতে নতুন করে ভাবতে হবে। স্কিল ওয়াইজ আমরা অবশ্যই ভালো দল। কোনো সন্দেহ নেই। কিন্তু বোলিং-ফিল্ডিং আমাদের ডুবিয়ে দিচ্ছে। এসব নিয়ে নতুন করে ভাবতে হবে। শরীরী ভাষাটা কাল আমার কাছে একদম ভালো লাগেনি। মনে হয়েছে দলটা খুব ক্লান্ত। বিশ্বকাপে এখনো ৬ ম্যাচ বাকি। এমন হবে কেন?
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Old June 9, 2019, 02:18 AM
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I agree with bulbul...that KW runout happening and we are batting first vs England..if only these two things happened we could be in a different position in this WC
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Old June 9, 2019, 02:20 AM
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Utpol Shuvro blurts out the secret that we all know: BD batsmen were afraid of facing English bowlers and posting a score batting first. PATHETIC.

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তার চেয়েও বড় কথা, উইকেট আর কন্ডিশনের সঙ্গে যদি টসে জিতে প্রথমে বোলিং করার কোনো সম্পর্ক থেকে থাকে, সাকিবকে দিয়ে ওপেন করানো তো সেটির সঙ্গে পুরোপুরি সাংঘর্ষিক। এই সিদ্ধান্তের কারণটা অনুমান করা অবশ্য একটুও কঠিন নয়। স্পিনের বিপক্ষে জেসন রয়ের সর্বজনবিদিত অস্বাচ্ছন্দ্যের সুযোগ নিতে উদ্বোধনী ম্যাচে দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকার ট্যাকটিকটাই দেখা যাচ্ছে নিয়ম করে অনুসরণ করছে বাকি দলগুলো। সেদিন ইমরান তাহির প্রথম ওভারে জেসন রয়ের বদলে জনি বেয়ারস্টোকে আউট করেছিলেন, তাতে কী! ইংল্যান্ডের পরের ম্যাচেই তো শাদাব খানকে দিয়ে ওপেন করিয়ে জেসন রয়কে তাড়াতাড়িই তুলে নিয়েছে পাকিস্তান। সাকিবকে দিয়ে বোলিং শুরু করানো সেটির অন্ধ অনুকরণ ছাড়া আর কিছু নয়। ভেজা-ভেজা উইকেটের ফায়দা তোলাটা মনে হচ্ছে কোনো বিবেচনাতেই আসেনি।

বলতে পারেন, সাকিব আর মাশরাফি মিলেই তো প্রথম ৪ ওভারে মাত্র ৯ রান দিলেন। কিন্তু তাতে কী লাভ, বাংলাদেশের তো প্রয়োজন ছিল উইকেট। শুরুতে ওই ‘ধীরে চলো’ নীতি উইকেট বুঝে জেসন রয় আর জনি বেয়ারস্টোর সুচিন্তিত ট্যাকটিক। মনে মনে তাঁরা হয়তো খুশিই হয়েছেন। এই উইকেটে প্রথমেই সাকিব আর মাশরাফির বোলিং তো ওপেনারদের জন্য একরকম উপহারই।

টসে জিতলে কী করা—এই সিদ্ধান্তটা নিজের দলের শক্তি আর প্রতিপক্ষের দুর্বলতার কথা ভেবেই নেওয়ার নিয়ম। তবে সেই নিয়মের ব্যতিক্রমও ঘটে। কখনো কখনো প্রতিপক্ষের শক্তি আর নিজেদের দুর্বলতাও প্রভাব ফেলে সেই সিদ্ধান্তে। কাল বাংলাদেশ-ইংল্যান্ড ম্যাচেও এটিই হয়েছে মনে করার যথেষ্টই কারণ আছে। এই উইকেটে পাঁচ পেসারের ইংলিশ বোলিংয়ের সামনে পড়তে চায়নি বাংলাদেশের ব্যাটিং। দুই ইনিংসের বিরতির সময় ব্রায়ান লারা যেটি কোনো রাখঢাক না করেই বলে দিলেন। যেটির মোদ্দা কথা হলো—বাংলাদেশ প্রথমে ব্যাটিং করতে চায়নি বলেই প্রথমে বোলিং করেছে। প্রমাণ হিসেবে লারাও বললেন সাকিবকে দিয়ে বোলিং ওপেন করানোর কথা, যা শুনে অনেক দিনের আগের একটা ঘটনা মনে পড়ে গেল। ২০০২ সালে বাংলাদেশ প্রথমবারের মতো দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকা সফরে। ইস্ট লন্ডনে প্রথম টেস্টে টসে জিতে অধিনায়ক খালেদ মাসুদ প্রথমে বোলিং করার সিদ্ধান্ত নেওয়ার পরদিন স্থানীয় এক পত্রিকায় মজার একটা কথা লেখা হয়েছিল। চিরাচরিত ‘বাংলাদেশ ওয়ন দ্য টস অ্যান্ড ইলেকটেড টু ফিল্ড’-এর বদলে লেখা হলো, ‘বাংলাদেশ ওয়ন দ্য টস অ্যান্ড রিফিউজড টু ব্যাট।’

এই বিশ্বকাপের প্রথম তিন ম্যাচ বাংলাদেশ যে বোলিং আক্রমণ নিয়ে খেলেছে, সেটির অবশ্য উইকেটে আর্দ্রতা আর ঘাসের আস্তরণে খুব একটা উৎসাহী হওয়ার কথা নয়। দুজন তো স্পিনারই। পেসারদের মধ্যে মোস্তাফিজকেও পুরোপুরি ফাস্ট বোলার বলা যায় না, আর ঘাসের উইকেটের চেয়ে বল একটু কামড়ে ধরে এমন উইকেটই মোস্তাফিজের বেশি পছন্দ। বাকি দুজন তো মিডিয়াম পেসার। এমন মিডিয়াম পেসাররাই ভারতকে ১৯৮৩ বিশ্বকাপ জিতিয়েছিল। কিন্তু এখন আর সেটি সম্ভব হতো বলে মনে হয় না। ইংল্যান্ডের উইকেট-আবহাওয়া বদলেছে, তার চেয়েও গুরুত্বপূর্ণ ব্যাটসম্যানদের মানসিকতার বদল। সত্যিকার ফাস্ট বোলার ক্রিকেটে চিরদিনই ‘কোহিনূর’-এর মর্যাদা পেয়ে এসেছে। রানবন্যার এই যুগে মূল্যটা বোধ হয় এখন বেড়েছে আরও। গতি দিয়ে ব্যাটসম্যানকে একটু কাঁপিয়ে দিতে পারার মতো একজন ফাস্ট বোলারের অভাবটা বড় বেশি চোখে পড়ছে বাংলাদেশের বোলিংয়ে। এমনও মনে হচ্ছে, পেস বোলারদের দিকে বন্ধুতার হাত বাড়িয়ে দেওয়া কার্ডিফের উইকেটের চেয়ে ওভালের ন্যাড়া উইকেটই হয়তো বাংলাদেশের জন্য ভালো। সেখানেই এই বিশ্বকাপের প্রথম দুটি ম্যাচ খেলেছে বাংলাদেশ। প্রথমটিতে দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকার বিপক্ষে স্মরণীয় এক জয়ে শুভসূচনা।
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Despite having played the "innings of his life" against West Indies to rescue Australia from the position of strife that they found themselves in, Nathan Coulter-Nile believes his spot n the XI isn't secure for as soon as the next game against India. Only because he returned wicketless in the two games so far in the World Cup, with figures of 0 for 70 against West Indies.

"We've got two world-class (fast) bowlers (on the sidelines). I'm not in the team to make runs, hopefully the top order does that, so I wouldn't be surprised if I got dropped for the next game," he was quoted as saying by Cricket Australia. "I'm in the team to take wickets and I've had two wicketless games, so we'll see how we go."

Australia were reduced to 147 for 6 before Steve Smith and Coulter-Nile came together to put on a rearguard partnership of 102 that came off just 89 balls. Coulter-Nile's 60-ball 92 was vital in Australia getting to 288 that they ended up defending eventually as Australia pipped their opponents by 15 runs. However, batting with a broken bat cost him in the end and he squandered the opportunity of becoming the only No. 8 with an ODI century.

"The only time I looked up and I thought 'jeez' was when I was on about 90, I think," he said. "Then I started thinking about it (a century). I just thought 'jeez that's a lot of runs'. I broke my bat one of the shots, I didn't want to change it, maybe I should have done that."

Jason Behrendorff and Kane Richardson are the other two pacers on the bench for Australia, who could come into contention for the game against India, complementing Mitchell Starc and Pat Cummins. "I think it's good to have competition and it wouldn't be good if we had no one pushing you trying to get better, so I love it."
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Nobody here is bashing Saif. He is a valuable asset for the team. But taking him in the team as 3rd pace bowling option is nothing but suicide. Esp in these conditions.
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Nobody here is bashing Saif. He is a valuable asset for the team. But taking him in the team as 3rd pace bowling option is nothing but suicide. Esp in these conditions.
Rubel or Mashrafe will get murdered as usual if they are given those end overs. How many times have we lost a game because someone went at 20+ runs in last few overs, those are the most critical overs, Saifuddin is a proven specialist in the end overs with fizz. Add to that he can bat as well. Tamim , Mithun and Mashrafe have done much less than him so far. If anyone should be dropped for Rubel it should be Mithun. It's high time we treat Miraz as the all rounder he was meant to be who batted at number 5 for his U19 team. Then we can have Saifuddin below him. Can't be any worse than the batting performance this batting line up with Mithun in it is putting in so far.
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Rubel or Mashrafe will get murdered as usual if they are given those end overs. How many times have we lost a game because someone went at 20+ runs in last few overs, those are the most critical overs, Saifuddin is a proven specialist in the end overs with fizz. Add to that he can bat as well. Tamim , Mithun and Mashrafe have done much less than him so far.
Yesterday match was already over by 40th over. What good it does to have buch of death over specialist when we have no one to bowl during opening and middle overs?

Rubel is good on both of those esp taking wicket during middle overs.

Yesterday's pitch was perfect for actual pacers yet we left out only closest thing that we have regarding that.
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Yesterday match was already over by 40th over. What good it does to have buch of death over specialist when we have no one to bowl during opening and middle overs?

Rubel is good on both of those esp taking wicket during middle overs.

Yesterday's pitch was perfect for actual pacer yet we left out only closet things that we have regarding that.
Those death over specialist will decide a game one day in future then we are going to rue not having Saifuddin in , if anyone should be dropped for Rubel it should be Mithun. We have two all rounders in the team batting at 8 and 9. Miraz opened in Asia Cup we know he can do a job in batting like his U19 days. Atm our batting won't do any worse with no Mithun as his contribution is not more than 20 runs these days , Miraz/Saifuddin will get more time to bat and will cover up those runs if Mithun is not there
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Those death over specialist will decide a game one day in future then we are going to rue not having Saifuddin in , if anyone should be dropped for Rubel it should be Mithun. We have two all rounders in the team batting at 8 and 9. Miraz opened in Asia Cup we know he can do a job in batting like his U19 daya
Where did I ever said to drop saif for rubel? All I said drop Mithun for rubel.
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Where did I ever said to drop saif for rubel? All I said drop Mithun for rubel.
I thought you were referring to dropping saif for Rubel here

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Nobody here is bashing Saif. He is a valuable asset for the team. But taking him in the team as 3rd pace bowling option is nothing but suicide. Esp in these conditions.
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At this point Saif would get in the team for his batting alone. He makes our batting look a little deep and took some important wickets against SA and NZ. Why can't people just accept it's Mashrafee whos hugging a spot without giving anything back? Just because he's captain he brings himself on after a wicket falls to reduce his economy rate but still gets smashed anyway and the pressure created by other bowlers is lost. HIs captaincy has been horrendous too. In this form Mash wouldn't even get in Afghanistan or Zimbabwe squad.
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At this point Saif would get in the team for his batting alone. He makes our batting look a little deep and took some important wickets against SA and NZ. Why can't people just accept it's Mashrafee whos hugging a spot without giving anything back? Just because he's captain he brings himself on after a wicket falls to reduce his economy rate but still gets smashed anyway and the pressure created by other bowlers is lost. HIs captaincy has been horrendous too. In this form Mash wouldn't even get in Afghanistan or Zimbabwe squad.
I think most people here realizes by now that Mashrafe should be the one to go for betterment of team , but they cannot imagine the management having the courage to drop the captain and it seems he is not willing to step aside himself. His time is up and unfortunately his decline has increased in this world cup
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If we want to compete and win matches rather than finding a settled XI, we should make these changes against Sri Lanka and revisit the selection against West Indies.

Liton in place of Mithun, he bats at the same position
Rubel in place of Shaifuddin
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Mashrafee is the weakest link in the team now and he should step down for the sake of the nation. Management don't have the balls to drop/rest him. Mithun is another waste of space. Liton and Rubel is must for the next game.
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Only in Bangladesh, would you have a half fit trundler captaining the side because he has 'exceptional leadership skills'. Steve Rhodes knows this but is a soft guy aka a puppet from the interviews I have seen and I do not think he has the cherries to drop Mash from the next matches.
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What about bowling coach? We need to look for new coach our fast bowling doing nothing.
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Why is no one talking about replacing Fizz ?
He has done jack this tournament and keeps leaking boundaries every over!
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