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Old November 24, 2019, 07:15 PM
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^^ it was actually Shakib's decision to make spinning track against Afghans, he somehow thought Afghan leggies wouldn't be effective in the longer version. BCB did make the mistake of going along with him.

As for the pink ball, Papon did advise them not to bat first, but to get their eyes used to the pink ball by fielding first. For whatever reason, Momin-Domingo ignored his advise.

In both cases, players are more to be blamed for acting foolhardy than BCB.
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Old November 25, 2019, 08:16 AM
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You could have capped it off at "Pathetic test team" and that would have been enough.
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Old November 25, 2019, 10:34 PM
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^^ it was actually Shakib's decision to make spinning track against Afghans, he somehow thought Afghan leggies wouldn't be effective in the longer version. BCB did make the mistake of going along with him.

As for the pink ball, Papon did advise them not to bat first, but to get their eyes used to the pink ball by fielding first. For whatever reason, Momin-Domingo ignored his advise.

In both cases, players are more to be blamed for acting foolhardy than BCB.
Toss decision in these sort of wickets make negligable difference in the long run. Had we batted 2nd in the first game, we would have maybe scored 150 instead of 106. India would have declared at 400 and we would still lose the game inside 3 days. Maybe we would have played an 8th session as opposed to just 7. Thats the only real difference.

Afghan game, it was a bad pitch to ask for. Your relative strength is batting, so we should have made a flat track. Same with Zimbabwe Test in Sylhet...why make a minefield that levels their spin attack with ours? Poor pitch design.

Of course, if Bangladesh was as good as they should be, we'd have won no matter the pitch or toss result. Unfortunately, we are not as good as we should be.
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Old November 26, 2019, 05:15 PM
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No Shingara bhai, we are not just full of Aloo like you, some of us have some gilu as well.

Ashraful can't even score runs in NCL anymore, whereas Zahurul-Junaid-Naeem have been dominating at whatever level they been given chance at.
National team mamar bari na. You get a run, na parley, you are thrown out.
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Old November 26, 2019, 06:59 PM
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National team mamar bari na. You get a run, na parley, you are thrown out.
On contrary to what you're saying, Momin (away average 21.13) led the team in India, Imrul (20.25) opened innings, and then Mithun (11.87) followed them at two-down. Only imbeciles would expect such dead-track specialists to succeed at Eden Garden.

In comparison, Junaid had 27.38 and Jahurul 30.42 average overseas (from our last Test squad, only Mushfiq has better overseas average, with Riyad's overseas average 27.30). Neither played for Bangladesh team last six years, and are very likely to be better batsmen now than when they last played for the Test team.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

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Old November 26, 2019, 08:49 PM
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Let's use some judgement criteria-

1) Overseas average since 2008 (since Shakib-Tamim-Mushfiq came into picture)
2) Matches not played in Zimbabwe (for obvious reason) or Sri Lanka (they make spinner friendly wickets, don't have quality pacers)
3) BD batsmen who scored at least 75 runs in the period, in the selected host countries

Shakib Al Hasan 2008-2018 13 26 2 976 217 40.66 1410 69.21 2 5 3 147 4
Tamim Iqbal 2008-2019 19 37 0 1461 128 39.48 2302 63.46 4 9 2 198 12
Soumya Sarkar 2017-2019 5 10 0 389 149 38.90 558 69.71 1 1 0 57 6
Mushfiqur Rahim 2008-2019 19 38 2 1178 159 32.72 2376 49.57 3 3 5 158 11
Mahmudullah 2009-2019 18 36 2 1049 146 30.85 1938 54.12 2 5 3 145 10
Raqibul Hasan 2008-2009 3 6 0 184 65 30.66 369 49.86 0 1 0 24 1
Junaid Siddique 2008-2010 9 18 0 493 78 27.38 1106 44.57 0 5 0 62 0
Liton Das 2017-2019 8 15 1 333 70 23.78 490 67.95 0 1 0 56 0
Sabbir Rahman 2017-2017 5 10 1 187 54* 20.77 374 50.00 0 2 2 28 2
Imrul Kayes 2008-2019 13 26 1 513 75 20.52 1094 46.89 0 1 0 70 2
Shadman Islam 2019-2019 4 8 0 158 37 19.75 305 51.80 0 0 1 22 0
Shamsur Rahman 2014-2014 2 4 0 79 39 19.75 142 55.63 0 0 0 10 2
Nurul Hasan 2017-2018 3 6 0 115 64 19.16 186 61.82 0 1 3 11 2
Mominul Haque 2014-2019 12 24 0 445 77 18.54 1007 44.19 0 4 5 61 2
Mashrafe Mortaza 2008-2009 5 10 1 138 39 15.33 181 76.24 0 0 1 15 5
Mohammad Mithun 2019-2019 4 8 0 95 47 11.87 219 43.37 0 0 2 13 0
Mehidy Hasan Miraz 2017-2019 9 18 1 200 51 11.76 417 47.96 0 1 2 29 4
Mohammad Ashraful 2008-2010 9 18 0 183 35 10.16 433 42.26 0 0 1 26 0


http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting


Now please tell me who got Mamar bari treatment and who didn't.
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Old November 27, 2019, 02:50 AM
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Eshen, I still believe Mominul can be a solid (by BD standards) overseas Test batsman. As a Test specialist, he is in a precarious position, but with the WTC I expect him to have more regular appearances and improve his record. I will give him until 2021 and then gauge his importance to the Test side.

I also think Mominul should bat at 4 or perhaps even at 5. Root, Babar, Kohli, and even Smith I think bat at 4. Babar bats at 5 actually. If Kohli and Smith can bat at 4, surely its not beneath Mominul to shift himself to 4 or even 5. Mushy should bat at 3 or 4, perhaps with Saif/Mosaddek.
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Old November 27, 2019, 03:23 AM
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Old November 27, 2019, 05:17 AM
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Eshen, I still believe Mominul can be a solid (by BD standards) overseas Test batsman. As a Test specialist, he is in a precarious position, but with the WTC I expect him to have more regular appearances and improve his record. I will give him until 2021 and then gauge his importance to the Test side.

I also think Mominul should bat at 4 or perhaps even at 5. Root, Babar, Kohli, and even Smith I think bat at 4. Babar bats at 5 actually. If Kohli and Smith can bat at 4, surely its not beneath Mominul to shift himself to 4 or even 5. Mushy should bat at 3 or 4, perhaps with Saif/Mosaddek.
Mominul Pominul does not deserve to be mentioned anywhere near likes of Root, Smith, Kholi, Babar, etc.
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Old November 27, 2019, 07:55 AM
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Mominul Pominul does not deserve to be mentioned anywhere near likes of Root, Smith, Kholi, Babar, etc.
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Old November 27, 2019, 04:10 PM
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Let's use some judgement criteria-

1) Overseas average since 2008 (since Shakib-Tamim-Mushfiq came into picture)
2) Matches not played in Zimbabwe (for obvious reason) or Sri Lanka (they make spinner friendly wickets, don't have quality pacers)
3) BD batsmen who scored at least 75 runs in the period, in the selected host countries

Shakib Al Hasan 2008-2018 13 26 2 976 217 40.66 1410 69.21 2 5 3 147 4
Tamim Iqbal 2008-2019 19 37 0 1461 128 39.48 2302 63.46 4 9 2 198 12
Soumya Sarkar 2017-2019 5 10 0 389 149 38.90 558 69.71 1 1 0 57 6
Mushfiqur Rahim 2008-2019 19 38 2 1178 159 32.72 2376 49.57 3 3 5 158 11
Mahmudullah 2009-2019 18 36 2 1049 146 30.85 1938 54.12 2 5 3 145 10
Raqibul Hasan 2008-2009 3 6 0 184 65 30.66 369 49.86 0 1 0 24 1
Junaid Siddique 2008-2010 9 18 0 493 78 27.38 1106 44.57 0 5 0 62 0
Liton Das 2017-2019 8 15 1 333 70 23.78 490 67.95 0 1 0 56 0
Sabbir Rahman 2017-2017 5 10 1 187 54* 20.77 374 50.00 0 2 2 28 2
Imrul Kayes 2008-2019 13 26 1 513 75 20.52 1094 46.89 0 1 0 70 2
Shadman Islam 2019-2019 4 8 0 158 37 19.75 305 51.80 0 0 1 22 0
Shamsur Rahman 2014-2014 2 4 0 79 39 19.75 142 55.63 0 0 0 10 2
Nurul Hasan 2017-2018 3 6 0 115 64 19.16 186 61.82 0 1 3 11 2
Mominul Haque 2014-2019 12 24 0 445 77 18.54 1007 44.19 0 4 5 61 2
Mashrafe Mortaza 2008-2009 5 10 1 138 39 15.33 181 76.24 0 0 1 15 5
Mohammad Mithun 2019-2019 4 8 0 95 47 11.87 219 43.37 0 0 2 13 0
Mehidy Hasan Miraz 2017-2019 9 18 1 200 51 11.76 417 47.96 0 1 2 29 4
Mohammad Ashraful 2008-2010 9 18 0 183 35 10.16 433 42.26 0 0 1 26 0


http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting


Now please tell me who got Mamar bari treatment and who didn't.
You are looking at Test batting only. Include their ODI batting stats too and you will see the whole picture. We hardly play any Tests, so your findings don't mean much.

We even had names for some of these players here on BC after witnessing their poor performance match after match e.g. Raquibaal THE ROCK Hassan, Kopa Shamshu
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Old November 27, 2019, 04:35 PM
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You are looking at Test batting only. Include their ODI batting stats too and you will see the whole picture.
That's exactly the problem our selectors have been creating all along - mixing up different formats. They been picking players for the Test team based on ODI performances, even worse - based on T20I performances at times.

Just like it's ridiculous to mix up formats, it's also ridiculous to expect dead-track specialists to deliver on pacer friendly wickets.
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Old November 28, 2019, 04:25 PM
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That's exactly the problem our selectors have been creating all along - mixing up different formats. They been picking players for the Test team based on ODI performances, even worse - based on T20I performances at times.

Just like it's ridiculous to mix up formats, it's also ridiculous to expect dead-track specialists to deliver on pacer friendly wickets.
It might be news to you but we don't have specialists for different formats.
We have a group of few players who can play. The ones suited for T20 , so-called T20 specialists are actually matha gorom players like Somaya and Lighton who can't survive for very long.

Unless you have a pool of players who can actually play, thinking about specialists for various formats is out of the question.
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Old November 28, 2019, 07:16 PM
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It might be news to you but we don't have specialists for different formats.
Joke is on you, because all our teams are full of ODI specialists. Even Soumya is a much better ODI player than he is as a T20I player, or even as a T20 batsman in BPL. Our modon selectors unfortunately do not realize that, and generally include Soumya in T20I based on his ODI form, or axe him from ODI team based on his T20I form.

They have been certainly trying to develop likes of Momin, Shadman, Rahi, etc as Test specialists. What they're not realizing is that some of them are just good for Mirpur-ZACS, won't make the cut overseas.

On the otherhand, some one like Soumya is a horrible choice for Home Tests as he can't adjust his timing to poor quality pitches we create at home, or handle odd turns here (like Tamim pointed out, even NCL pitches don't act so odd). But he had been one of our better choices overseas on faster pitches, in limited opportunities he got in such Test matches.

Our modons need to do a better job analyzing strength and weakness of different players at different conditions/format, and select the players accordingly.
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what are you on about. We do have test specialists. Tushar Imran, Saif Hassan, Naeem Islam, Taibur Rahman, Mahedi Hasan. Rokibul Hasan.
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Old November 30, 2019, 06:46 AM
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Eshen, don't give our pathetic players excuses. Kohli can play in all three formats.
Our sissy players can't even play, forget making them format specialists!
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Proof of how our 3rd division cricket matches are rigged.

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Old November 30, 2019, 08:34 PM
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Eshen, don't give our pathetic players excuses. Kohli can play in all three formats.
Another aloo marka comment from you. As many talented cricketers India have, even they don't expect everyone to be good for all formats.

We do have a core group who play all formats. Then we have players who have different limitations and can be used for this format or other, in different conditions.
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Another aloo marka comment from you. As many talented cricketers India have, even they don't expect everyone to be good for all formats.

We do have a core group who play all formats. Then we have players who have different limitations and can be used for this format or other, in different conditions.
And what's this 'limitations' thing you talk about ? To me, it means they are not good enough for intl cricket.
InT20's where a specialist means someone who can hit and score quickly - who do we have like that ? No one
In Tests where a specialist is meant to survive at least a day's play, who do we have ? Mushy is the only one who comes to mind.
Come to ODI's ... well I guess our whole team is full of ODI specialists.

These current players we have are not good enough. The seniors are coming close to retirement age. The new players we have tried are all average. The future is bleak.
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Find it sad really, India have begun yet another domestic tournament, even Afghanistan and Pakistan cricketers get way more matches than BD cricketers.
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