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View Poll Results: Do you Bangladesh is on the right track??
Yes 20 27.03%
after that performance against Ireland??? NO 37 50.00%
We need more time. 12 16.22%
Not sure 5 6.76%
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Old August 10, 2009, 11:20 AM
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Progression on ODIs:
2001 NovAvg2004 MayAvg2006 JulyAvg2009 JuneAvg
Javed Omar23.85Hannan Sarkar19.15Javed Omar23.85Tamim Iqbal26.17
Al Sahariar13.35Mo Ashraful24.62Shahriar Nafees33.76Junaid Siddique17.52
Mo Ashraful24.62Habibul Bashar*21.68Aftab Ahmed25.32Mo Ashraful24.62
Habibul Bashar21.68Rajin Saleh23.92Mo Ashraful24.62Raqibul Hasan27.26
Sanwar Hossain11.6Alok Kapali19.83Habibul Bashar*21.68Shakib Al Hasan*34
Khaled Mahmud14.36Mushfiqur Rahman16.36Farhad Reza16.95Mushfiqur Rahim†19.08
Khaled Mashud*†21.9Man Islam Rana20.68Khaled Mashud†21.9Mahmudullah28.18
Enamul Haque11.23Khaled Mahmud14.36Mo Rafique13.52Naeem Islam32
Fahim Muntasir3Khaled Mashud†21.9Mashrafe Mortaza15.87Abdur Razzak15.12
Mo Sharif13.25Mo Rafique13.52Abdur Razzak15.12Syed Rasel4.73
Ma Mortaza15.87Tapash Baisya12Shahadat Hossain7.25Nazmul Hossain4.12
174.71208.02219.84232.8


Getting hammered by Kenya is long gone. Slowly but steadily we are progressing. 2001 era team JO had the highest average only to be topped by Ashraful with his latest 103 no. 2004 era team Rajin was the leader and Ash's 100 no. score topped that. Look at the greens (over 25 average) in 2006 and 2009.

Plus we are no longer dependant on the 10th and 11th batsmen to put up a decent score.

Yes the structure could have been better but we are heading to the right direction. With better structure we will be much much better.
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Old August 10, 2009, 11:27 AM
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Nice work(as usual), Mijan bhai

We are heading to the right direction but the speed is very slow. Amago batsmenra jotodin na udharota (gifting wickets) dhur korte parbe, amra same jaigatei theke jabo.
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Old August 10, 2009, 11:33 AM
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Nice work(as usual), Mijan bhai

We are heading to the right direction but the speed is very slow. Amago batsmenra jotodin na udharota (gifting wickets) dhur korte parbe, amra same jaigatei theke jabo.
Thanks Murad. Ashes series dhekso? Gift koto prokar o ki ki English'ra chikhai ditasey.

It happens to the best of them. Thinking they are invincible and all balls are 4 or 6 balls. Geez, did I just call Ash among the best? lol. I meant Junaed. When Maturity comes they will be making less mistake that is what I am hoping for.
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Old August 10, 2009, 03:11 PM
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I was too worried about the team just a month ago. But now it seems the team is heading towards the right direction.

BTW the way. Good compilation Mijan bhai!!!
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Old August 10, 2009, 03:26 PM
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Thank you guys!! Those are just snap shots. Add substract Nafis Iqbal and few others.
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I was too worried about the team just a month ago. But now it seems the team is heading towards the right direction.

BTW the way. Good compilation Mijan bhai!!!
With Junaed, Mushi upping there stats; Naeem, Riyad holding on to their part; SN making it to the middle order or Raqibul coming out of the funk, 250 average is in the taking. Which means occational score of 200, occational score of 300, rest in the middle.

Many were critical on JSiddons 240 target once he came on board. We can really do well in 2011 WC, provided our pacers keep their end of the bargain.
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Old August 10, 2009, 03:54 PM
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This is what it looks like when you take out minnow matches -
2009 JuneAvg
Tamim Iqbal24.97
Junaid Siddique15.33
Mo Ashraful21.39
Raqibul Hasan26.78
Shakib Al Hasan*27.19
Mushfiqur Rahim†15.52
Mahmudullah21.61
Naeem Islam40.00
Abdur Razzak13.71
Syed Rasel4.92
Nazmul Hossain4.00

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As usual, players are bloating up their averages because more matches against minnows they play over time, not so much because of progress. I have nothing against playing more matches against minnows, just thought I should point out the fact why averages are increasing.
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Old August 10, 2009, 04:17 PM
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Instead of trying to figure out player averages from different periods and then add them up, it's easier to use statsguru to figure out team average from different periods (which is also more accurate way to figure out team average). Here is our team average in last 8 years against G8 teams (left out last tour against WI as they have not fielded a full strength team) -

July 2001 - June 2003 17.10
July 2003 - June 2005 19.28
July 2005 - June 2007 20.65
July 2007 - June 2009 19.54

As you can see, there were some progress in 4 years of Whatmore, but the team has regressed a little since he left.
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Does that mean we will go back to ~17 range during "July 2009 to June 2011" ?
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Old August 10, 2009, 05:01 PM
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This is what it looks like when you take out minnow matches -
2009 JuneAvg
Tamim Iqbal24.97
Junaid Siddique15.33
Mo Ashraful21.39
Raqibul Hasan26.78
Shakib Al Hasan*27.19
Mushfiqur Rahim†15.52
Mahmudullah21.61
Naeem Islam40.00
Abdur Razzak13.71
Syed Rasel4.92
Nazmul Hossain4.00

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As usual, players are bloating up their averages because more matches against minnows they play over time, not so much because of progress. I have nothing against playing more matches against minnows, just thought I should point out the fact why averages are increasing.
Can we get the stats of averages made by Tendu, Ponting and Lara if we substract the Minnows?
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Old August 10, 2009, 05:14 PM
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Can we get the stats of averages made by Tendu, Ponting and Lara if we substract the Minnows?
Sure.

Tendulkar 42.43 (44.37)
Ponting 41.52 (42.52)
Lara 39.53 (40.48)

*Averages including minnow matches are given in brackets.

Everyone has inflated their averages against minnows (including against us), but not as much as some of our boys have done (since others don't play minnows as often as we do).
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Old August 10, 2009, 05:39 PM
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Sure.

Tendulkar 42.43 (44.37)
Ponting 41.52 (42.52)
Lara 39.53 (40.48)

*Averages including minnow matches are given in brackets.

Everyone has inflated their averages against minnows (including against us), but not as much as some of our boys have done (since others don't play minnows as often as we do).
Thanks bro. I really appreciate your works.
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still long way to go

*we don't have any top class fast bowlers............we can't rely on spinners everytime.........now u guys gonna think about mash...but the fact is that mash ajke bhalo khele to kalke kharap khele

* top class matchwinners- we need some matchwinners......ash is capable of wining the match for us so as sakib so as rock so as mushfique.................but they don't have consistency.......only sakib is improving in tht case

*executing the gameplan: amra jibone bohut gameplan korsi kintu khub kom time ashe je amra kajea lagaite pari..........suppore australiader shathe khela...........bowler emon jaigai bowl korbe abong captain emon jaigai field placing korbe jatea batsman fielder borarbor shot khelte bhaddho hoy.........tht's why we need top-class fast bowlers..........

* scorecard- goto 3 yrs dhorea eki scene dekha jachhe

30-1 50-2 80-3 120-4

erkom scorecard amra shobshomoy dekhe aschi...............so amra kemne boli we are on the right track.......

mot khotha hoilo jeishob jaigai unnoti korar dorkar sheijob jaigai unnoti korlei then we can say we are on the right track
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Old August 11, 2009, 02:02 AM
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This is what it looks like when you take out minnow matches -
2009 JuneAvg
Tamim Iqbal24.97
Junaid Siddique15.33
Mo Ashraful21.39
Raqibul Hasan26.78
Shakib Al Hasan*27.19
Mushfiqur Rahim†15.52
Mahmudullah21.61
Naeem Islam40.00
Abdur Razzak13.71
Syed Rasel4.92
Nazmul Hossain4.00

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As usual, players are bloating up their averages because more matches against minnows they play over time, not so much because of progress. I have nothing against playing more matches against minnows, just thought I should point out the fact why averages are increasing.
So only this current bunch played against Minnows? Woah bhaia woah!! Kamal tuney kamal kiya bhai.
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Also then take out the WI C team stats. They are way below minnows. 2-0, 3-0 only attest that. Actually take out the SL and NZ wins also. I recall those were B teams also.
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still long way to go

*we don't have any top class fast bowlers............we can't rely on spinners everytime.........now u guys gonna think about mash...but the fact is that mash ajke bhalo khele to kalke kharap khele

* top class matchwinners- we need some matchwinners......ash is capable of wining the match for us so as sakib so as rock so as mushfique.................but they don't have consistency.......only sakib is improving in tht case

*executing the gameplan: amra jibone bohut gameplan korsi kintu khub kom time ashe je amra kajea lagaite pari..........suppore australiader shathe khela...........bowler emon jaigai bowl korbe abong captain emon jaigai field placing korbe jatea batsman fielder borarbor shot khelte bhaddho hoy.........tht's why we need top-class fast bowlers..........

* scorecard- goto 3 yrs dhorea eki scene dekha jachhe

30-1 50-2 80-3 120-4

erkom scorecard amra shobshomoy dekhe aschi...............so amra kemne boli we are on the right track.......

mot khotha hoilo jeishob jaigai unnoti korar dorkar sheijob jaigai unnoti korlei then we can say we are on the right track
Very true, the points you are indicating are perfectly valid. We are not a worldclas team, if stats say anything, we are not even close. But compare this team to any other Bangladeshi team, and you will see the difference[as many have already pointed out] Top order seems to be more stable,[against weaker teams though]
every time the team needed someone, someone stood up[again, against minnows]
But remember, it was by beating the minnows in 07 that we got the confidence and habit to smash the indians/Sa. We have some big series' coming up, lets see how we go.
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btw, i found this video on youtube. It was pretty darn enterntaining :P thought you guys might like it.
[a bit too late tho] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBrFuqLeiOM
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