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Old December 29, 2004, 12:41 AM
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Default A strong BD team is not far away

sure we went through worst of times in 2003/2004, but think of all the achievements we have made recently. we almost defeated pakistan and won our first ever test... we went real close to defeat west indies twice, we tied a test with west indies, we defeated full strength zimbabwe, we defeated india.
We are getting there. its a slow process, its taking time but we are getting there. We have a lot of young talents in ashraful, mashrafee, aftab, nafees, tapash, nazmul, rana, saleh (when he is in form ofcourse), upcomming talent like enamul junior, sharif, shahadat.... the list goes on.

Ashraful played an innings which was though impossible for any BD player, we have seen aftab, nafees, saleh, mashrafee, tapash , rana, nazmul performing real well every now and then. The only problem we have is that none of them is consistent. in every match there's just one or two player performing well and rest just flunk. imagine if not all atleast 5-6 of them performed real well in every game. where would we be then? i think they are still unable to handle the pressure of facing big teams. while most players in big teams have played in 200-300+ ODIs, our whole team just played 101st ODI. i think as tigers play more and more matches, they'll be able to handle the pressure of international cricket, and more and more of them will be able to play consistently and we will win more often.
Best of Luck Tigers.
Imagine when these players are in their mid or late twenties:
Asraful, Aftab, Masrafee, Tapash, Nafees, Rana, Saleh, talha, sharif, shahadat, junior.....
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Old December 29, 2004, 01:00 AM
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Correction: We didn't tie a test vs. WI, we drew that test. Out victory against Zimbabwe wasn't against a full strength team, they didn't have Andy Flower, who was more than half of their batting.
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Old December 29, 2004, 01:03 AM
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Old December 29, 2004, 01:06 AM
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I see light @ the end of a tunnel. But our patience will pay off. Bangladesh will go through some more rough patches. So, let's be prepared
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Old December 29, 2004, 01:36 AM
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Andy Flower retired from International cricket if I am not mistaken.
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Old December 29, 2004, 02:30 AM
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Andy Flower retired from International cricket if I am not mistaken.
doesnt matter..
Spitfire_x86 still wants him back!
so andy has to come back!! :P
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Old December 29, 2004, 07:34 AM
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ravi shastri is also very much impressed with the current team of bangladesh. he was saying, bangladesh can build-up a strong team from the current 20 members around. he was also full praise to rajin saleh (source: an article appeared in dainik bhaskar news paper)
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Old December 29, 2004, 09:04 AM
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just look at the stats. we had 6 odi wins so far. out of those 6, 3 came in last years. we started paying odi since 1986(?) and in that 19 years, we had 3 wins and in last one year 3. do we need any other evidence to see that we're progressing? we had 0 test draw before, and got one in last yeaqrs. we had 3 test centuries before, and got 4 in last one years. we did not have any odi five for, have the first one last years. (i'm using last years as 2004 which is not technically gone but we do not have any more game left, so its gone from a cricket point of view).

i'm sure tintin can give us some more positives.
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Old December 29, 2004, 09:08 AM
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Andy Flower retired from International cricket if I am not mistaken.
That's a different kind of "retirement"

Normally he would still play for Zimbabwe.
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Old December 29, 2004, 11:37 AM
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Andy Flower retired from International cricket if I am not mistaken.
That's a different kind of "retirement"

Normally he would still play for Zimbabwe.
Normally you wouldn't have made this kind of comment too...

If everybody takes your definition of "normally" then a lot of things could have happened...and the world will be a mess.
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Old December 29, 2004, 11:51 AM
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If Andy Flowerless Zimbabwe was full strength Zimbabwe at that time, then current Zimbabwe Team must be full strength Zimbabwe team by same logic, but nobody thinks that current Zimababwe Team is their full strength team.

Zimbabwe became somewhat crippled when Andy Flower left them, and current Zimbabwe team is completely retarded.
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Old December 29, 2004, 12:31 PM
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Andy Flower retired from International cricket if I am not mistaken.
doesnt matter..
Spitfire_x86 still wants him back!
so andy has to come back!! :P
LOL
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Old December 29, 2004, 12:36 PM
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If Andy Flowerless Zimbabwe was full strength Zimbabwe at that time, then current Zimbabwe Team must be full strength Zimbabwe team by same logic, but nobody thinks that current Zimababwe Team is their full strength team.

Zimbabwe became somewhat crippled when Andy Flower left them, and current Zimbabwe team is completely retarded.
Agree with your logic. And it was really painful to see someone like Andy Flower leaving the scene.
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Old December 29, 2004, 12:39 PM
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If Andy Flowerless Zimbabwe was full strength Zimbabwe at that time, then current Zimbabwe Team must be full strength Zimbabwe team by same logic, but nobody thinks that current Zimababwe Team is their full strength team.

Zimbabwe became somewhat crippled when Andy Flower left them, and current Zimbabwe team is completely retarded.
To echo Sunil G.'s word, Bangladesh didn't ask anyone to retire (though Andy's age was very close to retiring) or field any particular player or rest any player. That means when ever BD plays any team they are playing agaist their best possible 11 at that moment. As an example, recently AUS beat PAK without Brett Lee...so does that mean that AUS team wasn't in full strength? or Inzamam couldn't play because of injury, that's why AUS couldn't beat a weakend PAK team (again, Inzamam was injured)?
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Old December 29, 2004, 12:47 PM
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When BD beat ZIM in that ODI, Chacha was on the team. Ergo: BD was not playing with a full-strength team.
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Old December 29, 2004, 01:26 PM
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To echo Sunil G.'s word, Bangladesh didn't ask anyone to retire (though Andy's age was very close to retiring) or field any particular player or rest any player. That means when ever BD plays any team they are playing agaist their best possible 11 at that moment. As an example, recently AUS beat PAK without Brett Lee...so does that mean that AUS team wasn't in full strength? or Inzamam couldn't play because of injury, that's why AUS couldn't beat a weakend PAK team (again, Inzamam was injured)?
Brett Lee is waiting because Michael Kasprowicz's performance leaves no place for him in the squad.

If theoritical facts are only important to you, then I must say Bangladesh has made huge improvement within last 2-3 years. Back then, they didn't dare to say that they can beat full strength ZIM in both Test and ODI series. But now they dream about winning both series against Zimbabwe

The real fact is, Current Zimbabwe team is no better than a Ronji trophy team, and we're making progress in natural pace.
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Old December 29, 2004, 01:26 PM
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When BD beat ZIM in that ODI, Chacha was on the team. Ergo: BD was not playing with a full-strength team.
Chacha is regular in ODI.
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Old December 29, 2004, 01:38 PM
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If theoritical facts are only important to you, then I must say Bangladesh has made huge improvement within last 2-3 years. Back then, they didn't dare to say that they can beat full strength ZIM in both Test and ODI series. But now they dream about winning both series against Zimbabwe

The real fact is, Current Zimbabwe team is no better than a Ronji trophy team, and we're making progress in natural pace.
I see you decided not to response to my query about Inzamam...

Also, now Zimbabwe team is as good as a Ranji Trophy team...gosh...where are all these facts coming from? Donít the Indian players get selected based on their performance in the Ranji Trophy?
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Old December 29, 2004, 04:59 PM
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but yeah, i sure agree with howzatt. once these guys mature, no one will "rotate" their squad against us. hell, maybe we'll rotate our squad against them (who should play?..tapash? shafaq? rajib?). lol...and if we remember ash's dismissals in the odi series, we can see what difference can experience makes. a 22 year old ash would've scored a 100 in the 3rd odi.
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Old December 29, 2004, 11:37 PM
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I see you decided not to response to my query about Inzamam...
Australia beat both Pakistan+Inzamam and Pakistan-Inzamam. Inzamam is less consistent performer than Andy Flower.

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Also, now Zimbabwe team is as good as a Ranji Trophy team...gosh...where are all these facts coming from? Donít the Indian players get selected based on their performance in the Ranji Trophy?
Did India send a rebadged low performing domestic team for the series against us?
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Old December 30, 2004, 01:18 AM
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Well, if Ash, Nafees, Aftab, Rajin, Rana and even Bashar learns how to play long on the pitch
and make a few runs as well. Couple of sparking here and there will never make a strong team.
Because we often see them throwing their wicket after being well set in a curtail moment.
And when we desperately need a good partnership or there is plenty of time ( overs ) to play,
they just get out very foolish or immaturely. These kind of situation put our team in more pressure
and release opponents from their pressure and they become more aggressive.

Ashraful is a good example, as long as he is on the pitch, itself is a huge pressure to opponent.
So many time we saw him set and get out suddenly in a foolish manner, leaving the team in more pressure.
No doubt he is an extra ordinary batsman with lot of talent and technique,
and because of his brilliant talent he must be more thoughtful and wise according to the game situation.
This will automatically bring better outcome of his work and we could have seen
him with more success as well as our team.
I certainly believe he has more and more ability even in this young age than presently he have,
If he play more intelligent and with good sense.

To be a strong cricket nation, we must have some players who can play cricket with intelligent.
Hope players like Nafees, Aftab, Rajin and other U-19 learn fast how to play intelligently and with good sense
and how to keep pressure on opponent.
Sure we deserve to be a strong cricket nation with those kind of talent players.
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