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Old June 15, 2005, 09:28 AM
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Default Final 11 named for the first ODI

Hello everyone,
I just finished watching the news on NTV and according to them the final 11 for tommorrows match has been selected. The team is as follows:

1)Javed Omar
2)Nafees Iqbal
3)Mohammed Ashraful
4)Tushar Imran
5)Habibul Bashar
6)Aftab Ahmed
7)Khaled Mashud
8)Khaled Mahmud
9)Mohammed Rafique
10)Mashrafee Mortaza
11)Nazmul

So Rajin, Taposh, Rana and Shahariar is out. Hopefully our team will put up a good fight tommorrow.

Thank you!
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Old June 15, 2005, 09:32 AM
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I just hope we don't end up missing Rana in while batting.
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Old June 15, 2005, 09:36 AM
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I agree the BD will miss the services of Rana, but whom are you going to take out?
Given a choice- i would take out Nafees Iqbal, simply becoz i think he's terribly out of form/doesn't have the technique to open in seaming conditions.
Or I would consider taking out Rafique, yes i know i'm going to receive a barrage of backlash about this, but in this series he hasn't provided anything special.
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Old June 15, 2005, 09:38 AM
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We will miss him both in batting and bowling. How many times more Rana had to prove himself. Out of his last 3 ODI he became MOM 2 times. And in the league he pleyed very well. Then in the only practice match he played in UK, he batted and bowled very well. What more whatmore wants from him?
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Old June 15, 2005, 09:42 AM
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I agree the BD will miss the services of Rana, but whom are you going to take out?
Given a choice- i would take out Nafees Iqbal, simply becoz i think he's terribly out of form/doesn't have the technique to open in seaming conditions.
Agree with u.
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Old June 15, 2005, 09:45 AM
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I have no problem at all with this team. Only one position could be arguable which is between Mahmud and Rana. But at the end what diffrence does it make when we have to face AUS and ENG in this ture?

Lets keep faith on selectors, I think they did their best. Rana could be bring in soon if Mahmud or Rafiq fail in 1st match. Good luck BD.
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Old June 15, 2005, 09:45 AM
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Yep Rana should be in the team
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Old June 15, 2005, 09:45 AM
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Chiycarus
You've said something that will no doubt touch a lot of wrong nerves. I am talking about Rafiq. I was also very dissapointed with his bowling in the test match. Watching Batty spinning the ball on the second day of the test match made me wonder why rafiq couldn't do that. But this is an ODI. His stuff will work well as he has become a total defensive bowler. Batting wise also, considering where he will bat, at no. 7 or 8, there are every scope for him to get in some quick fire runs. So, he still is the no.1 spinner/ lower order batting option.
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Old June 15, 2005, 09:50 AM
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i don't think Whatmore has too much say in the selection process, especially when chief selector is there in England. Also the captain has a say in the selection process and although i'm not sure to what extent but the Board and their officials also influence the selection criteria somewhat(although i am not sure about this)!
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Old June 15, 2005, 09:51 AM
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Consider Rana a bit unlucky. Given the choice between Rana and Chacha, I have no qualms in putting Rana ahead of Chacha. This is overall a balanced team though a bit thin on bowling options. However, six specialist batsmen are the order of the day, and good to see that the selectors also see it that way.
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Old June 15, 2005, 09:56 AM
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When the Australians or Flintoff will get going in the ODIs, Rana wont make much of difference. So, I guess its a good side. We got batsman upto 10th spot.
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Old June 15, 2005, 09:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by fwullah
I just hope we don't end up missing Rana in while batting.
we will, for sure.

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I agree the BD will miss the services of Rana, but whom are you going to take out?
For the Batsman part of rana, I'd take out the following:

1. Nafis Iqbal
2. Tushar Imran
3. Habibul Bashar

For the Bowler part of rana, I'd take out the following:

1. Khaled Mahmud
2. Mohammad Rafique
3. Nazmul Hossain

This list is by average and past record. Yes, out of that 11 people, only 5 of them are not replacable by rana.

I don't know what it will take to get this simple message through the thick head of faruk and whatmore that our pacers do not worth a poop, and our batsmen's talent does not worth a poop unless converted into performance.
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Old June 15, 2005, 09:57 AM
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I totally agree with you there Beamer. You hit the nail right on the head about his batting prowess and that he's in relatively good nick this series. But I also have to argue a couple of things- firstly Rafique is not a young stud, so we have to give players like Rana who has a good potential of carrying on playing Intl cricket 5 years down the line, I don't see Rafique in that same capacity. Also his batting is somewhat erratic and not as consistent as Rana's!
Thus I came to the conclusion, although I'm hesitant to play so many "allrounders" in the ODI team but it gives us the best opportunity with both the bat and the ball.
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Old June 15, 2005, 10:02 AM
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Tokai, I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here, but saying that we should leave out our Captain is shocking! Tushar has batted with ease in his first match until that runout of his. Nazmul produced relatively good control and swung the ball, Rafique is our no.1 spinner(although I agree that he's not in the best of form as we're discussing) and Mahmud(although its a questionable call) is a good utility cricketer.
Its a big dilemma but lets see what happens after the first ODI, we have more to go and can pick the best side possible for at least 2 matches.
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Old June 15, 2005, 10:03 AM
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Chiycarus
You've said something that will no doubt touch a lot of wrong nerves. I am talking about Rafiq. I was also very dissapointed with his bowling in the test match. Watching Batty spinning the ball on the second day of the test match made me wonder why rafiq couldn't do that. But this is an ODI. His stuff will work well as he has become a total defensive bowler. Batting wise also, considering where he will bat, at no. 7 or 8, there are every scope for him to get in some quick fire runs. So, he still is the no.1 spinner/ lower order batting option.
I am wondering if Enamul Haq should have been given a chance at least in one of the practice matches.
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Old June 15, 2005, 10:03 AM
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Team looks OK. I hope Tushar proves usefull..coz we r getting so weak up the order.

And yes... the contest was between Rana & Sujon. I guess conditions place Sujon ahead or Rana. But I do think Rana will play atleast in some of the matches.
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Old June 15, 2005, 10:07 AM
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Well, I said that Enamul should've been used in the Test, especially in the 2nd Test. For ODI he's not included as he's not known to be a bowler who can defend runs as much as Rafique can. But yes, you've got a good point there.
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Old June 15, 2005, 10:15 AM
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Chiycarus : Rana is young. So, he will have plenty of chances to replace once Rafiq hangs up his shoes. He will be the regular spinning/ batting option in the ODI's. To cement his position in the test team he will rank behind Enam and his fight will be with Razzak.
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Old June 15, 2005, 10:19 AM
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All I'm trying to say is, we needed another spinner not a pacer. What the heck we gonna do with 4 pacers and only one spinners. even rajin is not there to make up few others. and if u have not guessed yet, all pacers gonna have their balls sent over the park (no pun intended). Rana should have been in because:

1. we needed another spinner. he should have been ahead of chacha even if chacha was a better bowler because we need another spinner. in reality rana is a better bowler than chacha.

2. rana has a better batting average (23.66) than bashar (19.37), pilot (20.04), Ashraful (16.86), JO (22.68), Nafis (20.14), Rafique (13.53) and Tushar (17.52). In other words only Aftab has better average than rana in this squad. So, stat says, we left out the 2nd best batsman of the team.
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Old June 15, 2005, 10:27 AM
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I agree the BD will miss the services of Rana, but whom are you going to take out?
Given a choice- i would take out Nafees Iqbal, simply becoz i think he's terribly out of form/doesn't have the technique to open in seaming conditions.
Or I would consider taking out Rafique, yes i know i'm going to receive a barrage of backlash about this, but in this series he hasn't provided anything special.
Agree! It is very tough to replace any of the player that already have been name. They all play a certain role in the team.
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Old June 15, 2005, 10:31 AM
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Well cricket isn't played on statistics my friend.
First of all Beamer, you're absolutely right about what you said- except, we shouldn't play Rafique simply because he has a few years of cricket left in him, we should rather play the best possible squad and in-form players.
Rana is fighting for his place with Mahmud, Rafique etc, Enam is guaranteed to take Rafique's place, and he still needs to fight with Razzaq for his place in future, thats a lot of fighting my friend!
About 4 pacers, where do you see 4 pacers? Aftab and Mahmud are less than military medium, you don't call bowlers who bowls at 65 mph(at best 70mph) pacers! Two spinners should be taken based on the quality of the wicket, not just we have better spinners than pacers, you have to see whether the wicket is going to support the bowler or not!
Tushar's low average is due to 2 things: i) he's been in and out of the team consistently which is why he cannot get his foot in ii) he used to bat around the lower middle order and had very little time to spend in the wicket.
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Old June 15, 2005, 10:38 AM
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Rana will eventually get to play. He is in good form, but the management is going with three pacer attack. At this part of the year in England, an extra pacer is an automatic choice. Plus chacha has always been considered the trump card for us in seaming condition. I am only talking about chacha because I don't see anyone else getting replaced with Rana. Some have mentioned Nafees. But the fact is that we can't go to play with one less batsman. We are not in a position where we can leave a batsman and play an extra bowler. The way that the batsmen are performing, the only thing we can do is throwing in as many batters as possible in the side, and hope that someone will click. I guess after a match or two,chacha will be rested and Rana will get a chance. Taposh will also get a chance if Nazmul gets hammered.

Edited on, June 15, 2005, 3:39 PM GMT, by sunniath.
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Old June 15, 2005, 10:38 AM
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I hope we dont miss rana..................i am worried that if BD bowls first.....how they going to fill up the 10 over of 5th bowler.
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Old June 15, 2005, 10:41 AM
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will aftab bat at 6? i think so as per practice matches........
but he should be at no.3..................if the team management have decided aftab not to bat at 3........then tushar should be at 3 for me...........ash @ 4 and sumon @ 5
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Old June 15, 2005, 10:46 AM
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I think i remember Tushar Imran bowling military mediums when BD A team were touring UAE earlier this year. So i think 20 overs can be spread between Aftab, Tushar, Sujon and even Ashraful(with his little lollipops)!
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