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Old February 27, 2004, 02:15 PM
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Default replacing whom?

I don't have problem with giving him a odi, but the biggest problem is who that could be? In a team, right now, where a player like alok is out of squad (probably for odi too) whom do u wanna cut off to give sujon a chance?
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Old February 27, 2004, 03:56 PM
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how about mushfiq
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Old February 27, 2004, 04:06 PM
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Why would you drop Mushfique if he had not played badly?
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Old February 27, 2004, 04:09 PM
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well he has done all that brilliantly either. good but not brilliant. so we might give our former all-rounder captain a chance. he might just prove himself to be useful
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Old February 27, 2004, 04:25 PM
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Default If we have to make room for Sujon...

Ash
Bidyut
Sumon
Rajin
Sujon
Mushfiq
Rana
Pilot
Rafiq
Taposh
Tarek

However, this mean Alok will be dropped which I am totally against. Alok is our best ODI batsman.

[Edited on 27-2-2004 by Rajputro]
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Old February 27, 2004, 04:27 PM
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jaihok,
akta kotha kintu ami bolte chai je experiment korte gele kintu bhalo na hoye ulta aro beshi kharap hote pare. shujon ke amaro bhalo lage. but the thing is there is no one in the team right now with whom he can be replaced unfortunately. thus mushfiqke khamakha bad dewar kintu ami akhono kono karon dekhina. karon mushfiq kintu khub akta kharap khelche na. after all ami kintu bolbo je mushfiq is pretty consistant comparing to other players in the team.
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Old February 27, 2004, 05:44 PM
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without sounding too pessimistic... we are going to lose most of the ODIs if not all of them so why not experiment and see somehow ( and i dont know how) if we can win with different combinations of our best players and i do believe that sujon is one of them
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Old February 27, 2004, 06:02 PM
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I have a feeling he wont be picked even after he joins the squad.

If he is picked that will be a disaster! Droping alok for him makes no sense. Dropping Mushfique seems to be the least terrible option.

I too liked Mahmud for his spirit and I was hoping they would keep him around for just a while longer hoping that his performances might turn around. But after the antics after his axing from the squad I have lost all respect for him. I hope he gets no where near that final 11.

In any case, its a waste of a ticket to Zimbabwe
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Old February 27, 2004, 10:05 PM
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well he has done all that brilliantly either. good but not brilliant. so we might give our former all-rounder captain a chance. he might just prove himself to be useful

What a logic!

[Edited on 28-2-2004 by Optimist]
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Old February 28, 2004, 01:09 AM
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Sujon's remaining usefulness seems to be to generate useless posts from all of us. Since he is going to Zim, I am sure he will get in a match or two later in the series. It doesn't even matter who gets dropped, more than likely it will have to be rana or mushfiq from the odi team - maybe alok and sujon can replace them for the odis and that will satify the budding scientists among us who want experiments.

fais, it seems that all the arguments repeated countless times have no bearing on your belief that Sujon is one of the best players around (paraphrasing you loosely) - it seems that you have either not watched him play much in the last couple of years or simply refuse to believe what most people think is obvious.
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Old February 28, 2004, 01:43 AM
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Sujon's remaining usefulness seems to be to generate useless posts from all of us.
Doesn't go any better than this. Rafiq, you go boy.
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Old February 28, 2004, 10:24 AM
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now here's a better option for everyone to think about:

we got 5 ODI's ahead
alok, sujon, mushfiq & rana just might be altered through the series for experiments.
even with that.. sujon doesnt get more than 2 ODIs to play!
wonder wht's in DAV's mind !
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Old February 28, 2004, 10:36 AM
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well he has done all that brilliantly either. good but not brilliant. so we might give our former all-rounder captain a chance. he might just prove himself to be useful

What a logic!

[Edited on 28-2-2004 by Optimist]
Dear Optimist,

There seems to be one too many typing mistakes in that. I meant, "well he hasn't done all that brilliantly either. he might have done good in parts here and there but not brilliant so it is worth throwing him out to experiment with sujon who has proven through his career can be a match winner.
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Old February 28, 2004, 10:38 AM
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fais, it seems that all the arguments repeated countless times have no bearing on your belief that Sujon is one of the best players around (paraphrasing you loosely) - it seems that you have either not watched him play much in the last couple of years or simply refuse to believe what most people think is obvious.
I just believe that he deserves one more chance before we discard him
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Old February 28, 2004, 11:17 AM
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even 40 ta match pore sujon ekta bhalo match khellao take team e rakha dorkar.amader last time one day victory er man of the match chilo sujon jeta 4 yrs age, er moddhay to onek bhalo bhalo player(so called) khello, performance koi tader????amader sobcheye close test match er bhalo pefomer o kintu sujon chilo???bd ai team er koto jon bowler er(specialist) bowling avg sujon er theke kom?? specialist batsmander o avg ki khub bhalo? consistancy er obostha nai bollam, at least sujon thakle sumon consistant thakto, ekhon to mone hoy tao gelo!!!!!!!!!comments!!!!!
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Old February 28, 2004, 11:34 AM
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Babon, khub bhalo jukti!

Even though I'm against the inclusion of Sujon, but the question is whether any player of Sujon's slot would do something better than him. They seem to be all the same.
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Old February 28, 2004, 04:44 PM
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Yeah, some very good points there. But I guess at the end, it all boils down to "who would be deprived of a spot for us to include sujon". What type of cricketer Sujon brands himself as? Allrounder. Alright. Lets look at the other allrounders in the current team.

Rana: He has shown excellent temperament and poise in the 1st test match, averaging 66 with the bat. He has originally been included as a bowler who can bat a bit. So we can expect him to shine with the cherry soon too. He also helped spare our blushes against Zim 'A' and Namibia. He is having heck of a tour. It'd be very very unfair to drop him. Besides it was Dav who wanted him in the squad in both the tests, although media reports suggest Athar and some other selector were in favour of Alok.

Mushfiq: Another good all-rounder in the making. Very tidy one-day bowler. I used to think he is more of an ODI material, but he has had a few good knocks in the test arena to prove me wrong. I recall many of you fantasy gamers regretting not having Mushfiq in the team in the recent past. As the ODIs await us, it'd be simply stupid to drop him off. Those of you who watched our ODIs against PAK last fall, you all should remember Mushfiq's tidy line and length restricting the Pakistani batsmen, including the likes of Inzi and Youhana who happen to be much better batters than the Zimbo line-up altogether. As a reward for his containing bowling, he picked up a good couple of wickets here and there too. He also had a better series against the pommies compared to the other allrounders in the team, which includes Mr. Mahmud too.

Kapali: Alok's having a real bad patch. He showed us some sparkles of good batting in the 1st innings against England where he whacked a few boundaries, only to irresponsibly throw it away. But then again its the hallmark of our batsmen, so one might forgive him for that innings given his immense potential and skills. Sadly, his bat has remained alarmingly quiet ever since. He is one of the few big hitting batsmen we've ever had. Someone with the ability to smash big sixes, and up the run-rate when we need it. His 70 odd (if I remember correctly) knock against PAK in the 5th ODI back in last fall was a very good innings. He had an invaluable partnership with Rajin Saleh which harboured us to a respectable total in reply to Pakistan's mammoth 300+ score. Sujon's days are almost over. He did pick up a few wickets against PAK in the ODIs. But he shouldn't brag about wickets he gets in the penultimate over of the innings where the batsmen try to hit him out of the ground for every ball, and eventually miss-hit one, and hole out in the boundary. On the other hand, Alok's legbreaks are underused, and under-rated. He has had a hattrick. My jaws dropped in amazement when I read the newspaper which reported his last 2 hatrick delilveries to be flippers. I kept wondering, since when do Bangladeshi bowlers bowl flippers? Anyway, he is no Shane Warne, but with more match experiences he will be a handy trump in future.

These three are all good prospects for our future. All very young, and extremely talented. Letting Sujon play will only deprive one of these youngsters of a well deserved spot from the team which they rightfully earned.

As rafiq mentioned, babbling about this Sujon issue is very pointless, and useless. Since boredom has had the better of me on a lousy, snowy saturday afternoon, I had to do write a few anti-sujon lines.

Cheers everybody!
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Old February 28, 2004, 04:53 PM
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Carte Blanche, a well put thoughts, very analytical. With a bit of edition it can easily be on the front page.

Yes, I also don't find anyone to replace for Sujon.
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Old February 28, 2004, 05:10 PM
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Thank you Nav. I didn't try to write an article or something, I was busy playing that game I posted in another thread, and wrote a few lines in between.
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Old February 28, 2004, 05:22 PM
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I'd agree to take sujon in team with only one condition. he'll formally declear to retire. he did a good job in the past in serving the team. and i'd like to remember him with honor. but truly, there is no position for him in the team now.
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Old February 28, 2004, 06:30 PM
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even 40 ta match pore sujon ekta bhalo match khellao take team e rakha dorkar.amader last time one day victory er man of the match chilo sujon jeta 4 yrs age, er moddhay to onek bhalo bhalo player(so called) khello, performance koi tader????amader sobcheye close test match er bhalo pefomer o kintu sujon chilo???bd ai team er koto jon bowler er(specialist) bowling avg sujon er theke kom?? specialist batsmander o avg ki khub bhalo? consistancy er obostha nai bollam, at least sujon thakle sumon consistant thakto, ekhon to mone hoy tao gelo!!!!!!!!!comments!!!!!
Why don't we bring back Minhazul Abedin? He was the man of the match against Scotland! Why don't we open the batting with Rafique every match? He opened and scored those quick 77 which won us the match against Kenya! Why not make Durjoy the captain again? Manjurul Islam took 6 wickets in an innings under him,now he appers to struggle to take even a single wicket!

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