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Old August 5, 2009, 01:25 AM
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Default Are you smarter than the fifth hoo...ris?

I always disliked that term because upon reading the Holy Book it'd conjure up bad feelings that I would have suppressed. But anyhoo, here's a Game Theory like conundrum:

Suppose you enter Heaven. Then you are met by five Arabian-Romanesque caryatid like houris. Only one of them is telling the truth is pretty and has good character and choosing the right answer will open the pearly gates.

H#1= Choose me I am pretty and because all of them are damn liars except me!
H#2= Choose me because 3 is lying. I am an intelligent enough to grasp that.
H#3= Choose me because I am pretty and I always tell the truth like 1 is telling the lies.
H#4= Choose me because to be honest #2 is blind to the fact that she is ugly. And I don't lie...
H#5= I am ugly please don't choose me to tell you the truth because every time I lie only truth comes out!

Which houri do you choose who has all three qualities: beauty, character:honesty and intelligence who shall open you the doors of Heaven?

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Old August 5, 2009, 02:05 AM
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3 because that's my favorite number..
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Old August 5, 2009, 02:11 AM
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*waits for Shardul to tell you that this is not how you get into heaven*
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Old August 5, 2009, 02:13 AM
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Old August 5, 2009, 02:16 AM
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*waits for Shardul to tell you that this is not how you get into heaven*
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Old August 5, 2009, 02:45 AM
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Where is the tree searches? goru you disappointed me. i always thought you could use your computational science knowledge complexity to solve this easy problem. orphy may be a smart investor but he sure doesnt know to play this game. cricman, why not apply your cricket acumen here?

proofs fellas proofs!
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Old August 5, 2009, 03:13 AM
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Old August 5, 2009, 03:34 AM
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Would you believe hooris and departed souls wont have genitals or carnal desires? Just like the rivers of wine in paradise that wont get you drunk.
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Old August 5, 2009, 08:48 AM
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Old August 5, 2009, 08:58 AM
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You will appreciate this more if you are from Ontario. We've had about 4 dry days in the last 60 days.

A curious fellow died one day and found himself waiting in the long line of judgment. As he stood there he noticed that some souls were allowed to march right through the pearly gates into Heaven. Others though, were led over to Satan who threw them into the burning pit. But every so often, instead of hurling a poor soul into the fire, Satan would toss a soul off to one side into a small pile.

After watching Satan do this several times, the fellow's curiosity got the best of him. So he strolled over and asked Satan what he was doing. "Excuse me, Mr. Prince of Darkness," he said. "I'm waiting in line for judgment, but I couldn't help wondering, why are you tossing those people aside instead of flinging them into the Fires of Hell with the others?"

"Ah, those," Satan said with a groan. "They're all from Ontario .................. They're still too wet to burn."
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#5 is not talking about the other 4, only herself, unlike the other 4. That could be a sign of good character. But, she is dumb, as she volunteers info about herself which is self incriminating. Since, they are all houris, its safe to assume they are all pretty. Good character being the one of the two main criteria, I am leaning towards #5.
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Old August 5, 2009, 12:21 PM
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munshi bhai answer den...
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Old August 5, 2009, 12:44 PM
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Ding! ding! Beamer vai got it right...

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H#1= Choose me I am pretty and because all of them are damn liars except me!
H#2= Choose me because 3 is lying. I am an intelligent enough to grasp that.
H#3= Choose me because I am pretty and I always tell the truth like 1 is telling the lies.
H#4= Choose me because to be honest #2 is blind to the fact that she is ugly. And I don't lie...
H#5= I am ugly please don't choose me to tell you the truth because every time I lie only truth comes out!
Assume 1 is telling the truth and the rest are all liars indeed.

That means 2 is lying, or in other words she is saying 3 is telling the truth.
But 3 says she always tells the truth. This is confirmed by 2, but let's take assumption that 1 is telling the truth then 3 is lying. And when 3 says 1 is telling lies 3 is actually saying 1 is being honest. If 4 lies then that means 2 is actually pretty as 4 lied about it.

Finally, if 1 is telling the truth that means 5 is lying, which means she is pretty, she wants you to choose her and and every time she tells the truth, only lies come out. So far, she is the perfect candidate as she is pretty, humble, honest and intelligent. Rest, although pretty, are envious, haughty, judicious and liars .

But this whole 'proof' hinges upon the assumption that 1 is telling the truth. What happens if she is lying. That means according to her rest are not liars. So 2 is saying 3 is telling the truth. And if 3 is telling the truth (AND confirmed by 1), that means 1 is lying., which we did assume. If 1 is lying , that means 5 is telling the truth that she is ugly and every time she tells the truth only lies come out, which means she is pretty, humble and honest.

Either way, 5 has way better qualities than the rest. I hope someone of much higher computational abilities and mathematical minded will show a clean 'proof' of it. There is a final rub which I haven't revealed yet.
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Where is the tree searches? goru you disappointed me. i always thought you could use your computational science knowledge complexity to solve this easy problem. orphy may be a smart investor but he sure doesnt know to play this game. cricman, why not apply your cricket acumen here?
Well, to state the obvious, most of us have better / more important things to do (like, I had to leave for work), most of the time.

Now that I actually have free time, there's no point since (from a cursory glance at this thread) it seems like someone's solved it, or you've provided the answer.

(Actually, I didn't even bother reading your whole question... just the part about getting into heaven... so made a quick cheap joke... and I still have no interest in reading the full question or the solution, especially since it's already been answered...)
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Old August 5, 2009, 01:26 PM
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3 is telling the truth if 1 is lying and 1 can't be telling the truth because if she does then 2's claim about 3 becomes true. (which invalidate that all are lying). U don't need to even look at the other two responses.

So My favorite number still wins....
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Old August 5, 2009, 01:35 PM
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Now that I actually have free time, there's no point since (from a cursory glance at this thread) it seems like someone's solved it, or you've provided the answer.
no goru give it a shot. Zeeshan's explanation isn't satisfactory.
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Well, to state the obvious, most of us have better / more important things to do (like, I had to leave for work), most of the time.
Sorry to break it to you ZM, but that's probably the reality for others as well.
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Sorry to break it to you ZM, but that's probably the reality for others as well.
Like doing finger push ups for faster ban services for your life long dream of vying for higher position such as BC admin?
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Like doing finger push ups for faster ban services for your life long dream of vying for higher position such as BC admin?
Wow. I've read of penis-envy, but mod-envy's a new one!
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Wow. I've read of penis-envy, but mod-envy's a new one!
Whoopsie daisy! Mods are ganging up on me....

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Like doing finger push ups for faster ban services for your life long dream of vying for higher position such as BC admin?
Yes, as a first step. And eventually... http://www.banglacricket.com/alochon...91&postcount=9
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