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Old July 18, 2013, 01:43 AM
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Default How Don Bradman Would Fare In Todays Cricket

Heres sth i always ponder about. How would Don Bradman fare in todays cricket? When i say today i mean the 20-25 years (1990+).

Obviously cricket in the last 20-25 years is more intense than the cricket played in the previous era. More emphasis on fitness, batting, bowling have evolved, fielding has become ever so important. The last 25 years have also seen some of the best bowlers in the history of the game be it Wasim, Waqar, McGrath, Donald, Walsh, Kumble, Warne, Murali, Mushtaq, Saqlain. We have also seen bowlers who can bowl at extreme pace-Lee, Akhter. The benchmark of fielding improves by the day, now even the South Asian countries are exceptional in fielding sth that was an rarity in the previous eras.

Now put Bradman in these last 25 years-more busy cricketing schedule, ODI, Test, T20. Year round cricket, tours. Quality bowling, stakes are higher, pressure is greater. Would he succeed the same way he did in his time.

Is Bradman the greatest batsman of all time, or is it one of Tendulkar and Lara who have played under more professional, challenging circumstances?
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Old July 18, 2013, 02:31 AM
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so many factors to consider. true fielding is at a much higher standard overall nowadays, but to counter that bradman was terrific at finding the gaps so if he was to play today and he still had that ability then he'd still pierce the field i'm sure enough times to match the other great batsmen in history. let's not forget his average is far and away the best ever by a long way, even if you cut it completely in half he would still be there abouts when talking about great players. he had the ability to hit big scores consistently to and he also had a great repertoire of strokes, and although it hasn't been officially recorded i've read that from records that people have been able to gather and calculate that his strike rate was actually in the 70s which is very high for test cricket. his lowest ever test series average was something like 56 from the bodyline series.

so i think if you factor everything in, even if you cut him down 1/3 or even more he's still matching it with the best ever so i'd say he is the best batsman ever, he would do it in this era to.

but at the end of the day you can't really compare across era's.
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Old July 18, 2013, 06:35 AM
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How Don Bradman would Fare In Todays Cricket? We'll never know.
How the current greats like Tendulkar and Lara would've fared in Bradman's era? We'll never know.

Having said that, there's no reason to think Bradman wouldn't be extremely successful in the modern era also. Would he have managed the unbelievable average of 99? Probably not, but that'd still be better than most of the current players, if not all.

As Gowza mentioned in his post, you can't really compare across era's. How'll you compare Alexander's army with Napolean's army?
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Old July 18, 2013, 08:02 AM
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99.94 closer to 100 than 99 but yeah probably wouldn't average that much but i think he'd still do well enough to be considered the best, at minimum i think he'd be in that top group of who might be the best ever but i think with what he did achieve he'd still do enough to be considered the best.
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He would be a Nazimuddin.
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Old July 19, 2013, 09:32 AM
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A few years before Sir Don passed away, there was a documentary made about him which also featured quite a bit of Tendulkar and Lara. There were side by side video comparisons of Don Bradman's batting technique and flow with Tendulkars. He himself stated that in that decade he thinks he would have probably averaged about 60 in test cricket.

Even compared to the 1990s, quality test cricket today like the ongoing Ashes series is different. The cricket nowadays is more mechanical and intense. The fitness and the professionalism of today's players and gameplay is of a completely different level. I feel that 1990s cricket was more human - more raw. There was more room for mistakes and inconsistency from players even from the best teams, that brought in an element of uncertainty, passions and emotions.
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A few years before Sir Don passed away, there was a documentary made about him which also featured quite a bit of Tendulkar and Lara. There were side by side video comparisons of Don Bradman's batting technique and flow with Tendulkars. He himself stated that in that decade he thinks he would have probably averaged about 60 in test cricket.

Even compared to the 1990s, quality test cricket today like the ongoing Ashes series is different. The cricket nowadays is more mechanical and intense. The fitness and the professionalism of today's players and gameplay is of a completely different level. I feel that 1990s cricket was more human - more raw. There was more room for mistakes and inconsistency from players even from the best teams, that brought in an element of uncertainty, passions and emotions.
but was the don saying if he had been trained as tendulkar/lara/in current day that he'd average 60 or if he was playing current day but as he was back then. that' would make probably make a difference.
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A few years before Sir Don passed away, there was a documentary made about him which also featured quite a bit of Tendulkar and Lara. There were side by side video comparisons of Don Bradman's batting technique and flow with Tendulkars. He himself stated that in that decade he thinks he would have probably averaged about 60 in test cricket.

Even compared to the 1990s, quality test cricket today like the ongoing Ashes series is different. The cricket nowadays is more mechanical and intense. The fitness and the professionalism of today's players and gameplay is of a completely different level. I feel that 1990s cricket was more human - more raw. There was more room for mistakes and inconsistency from players even from the best teams, that brought in an element of uncertainty, passions and emotions.
Very true!
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Since we cannot compare across eras the only thing we can do to measure greatness is compare Bradman's stats with the other great players during his era. Did any other player average in the 90s or 80s or 70s during that time? If the answer is no then we can assume he was miles better than anyone else who had the same conditions to bat on as Bradman. I think in the modern era it is impossible to seperate yourself to such levels from your peers but Brad probably would have had a 60-70 average
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Since we cannot compare across eras the only thing we can do to measure greatness is compare Bradman's stats with the other great players during his era. Did any other player average in the 90s or 80s or 70s during that time? If the answer is no then we can assume he was miles better than anyone else who had the same conditions to bat on as Bradman. I think in the modern era it is impossible to seperate yourself to such levels from your peers but Brad probably would have had a 60-70 average
yeah this is really all you can do for comparison. bradman is so far seperated from his peers, it's unmatched in current times. as it is people have trouble deciding who is better between tendulkar, lara and even ponting, not to mention guys like kallis and dravid who in their own right could lay claim to being the best of their generation/era. in current day there is no clear best over his peers, no one has separated themselves above the rest of that top pack. but bradman....well we know the numbers.
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I thik badman's av would be around 80s

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yeah but he was also kidding..cant find the video... when someone asked him that's pretty low he replied well for THAT age it's not.
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yeah but he was also kidding..cant find the video... when someone asked him that's pretty low he replied well for THAT age it's not.
Hehe, fun. I watched that a long time ago so don't remember that one. But I recall he also explained that in his day Test matches didnt end at 5 days, they went for as long as the 4th innings could go on till they all got out, or they chased down the runs. It also gave him that room to stay at the crease and build a 99.94 average without having to worry about the game ending within 5 days and instead they would bat out till the match was 8 days long.

Re: Jadukor bhai,

Very true, comparing between eras is comparing lemons with oranges (same citrus family, different fruits). Once upon a time cricket only had underarm bowlers, and the wickets had one bail and no middle stump. As the game evolves, players will also play in different contexts.
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Hehe, fun. I watched that a long time ago so don't remember that one. But I recall he also explained that in his day Test matches didnt end at 5 days, they went for as long as the 4th innings could go on till they all got out, or they chased down the runs. It also gave him that room to stay at the crease and build a 99.94 average without having to worry about the game ending within 5 days and instead they would bat out till the match was 8 days long.

Re: Jadukor bhai,

Very true, comparing between eras is comparing lemons with oranges (same citrus family, different fruits). Once upon a time cricket only had underarm bowlers, and the wickets had one bail and no middle stump. As the game evolves, players will also play in different contexts.
bradman was a pretty quick scorer though, the 5 day limit might not make that much of a difference....
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