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Old Yesterday, 05:59 AM
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I am afraid Mushy will no longer be the test captain from SL series.
The proper words that you are looking for is over the moon, excited, jumping in joy ... You get the pic!

That's great news actually.
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The approach depends on the type of teams.

You need to understand the psychology of our players. They are not willing to do anything on their own, even in the nets they need to be told what to do. They are not willing to work on their fitness on their own. They dont understand the importance of diet like you and me. And unlike a Dravid or Nasser Hussain they wont meditate the night before about how to face each of their opponents. Tamim Iqbal didnt lose weight by himself. Both Hathurusingha and Mario Villyavaran were both part of the process. The Tamim of 2014 and before often struggled to run two's and would get cramps after reaching 50.

Cricketers in other countries come to the team as mature individuals with the right mentality. In our case its more to do with talent, and often the maturity, hunger, desire to learn, succeed etc is missing. So for that very reason i think we will always need more of a taskmaster coach. Now even Whatmore and Siddons were tough. Taskmaster doesnt necessarily mean a headmaster with a cane.

India doesnt need a tough coach. Competition for a place in the side is so intense they have to perform and work hard. And they come to the national team with plenty of grooming, and preparation. All their players are also at their prime, peak.
Yes, a taskmaster is not necessarily a headmaster. I haven't seen Hathuru complaining about players not training hard or following guidelines. The issue is more about ego and personality. That's why I said Hathuru didn't seem like a good manager of men. Siddons and Whatmore were taskmasters too but they were still able to establish a good rapport with the players. Players still held them in high steam long after they have gone. I don't hear any player praising him or saying anything good about him even to get in his good book while he is at the helm. Instead, Hathuru complains that players 'lie' about him to the media.

Having said all that, I acknowledge his contributions for the team. But what I understand is players obliged to him at the beginning because we were in a dire straits. But as the time went our players stature have grown and it clashed with Hathuru's autocratic management style. And for this same reason I believe his tenure in SL won't be long.
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He wasnt flexible. Everything had to happen his way. And that is recipe for disaster in Sri Lanka, because everyone from board to ex cricketers to selectors to the manager will also try to have a say. And you are right, for sure ego was an issue. Maybe he thought he was untouchable with the backing of the BCB chief.

Although our board is craving for a subcontinental coach, you ll get this ego clash with most sub continental coaches.
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Anyone not willing to give the coach credit for helping Bangladesh progress and earn respect in international cricket has clearly not been following our cricket from 2000. Statistical probability? Seriously? And to prove your competence you have to take a number 8 or 9 team to world champion?
It begins and ends with the players. Since 2016 our ODI record has been poor. 3 wins vs F9 teams, two of them against England A and NZ A teams. So only 1 win, that too due to Shakib and Riyad, not the coach. The record is thus 1-5 which in the last year plus.

Numbers have a way of averaging out over time. 2014 we lost 15 consecutive games or so, thus 2015 was merely a statistical correction that was due. If it was down to the coaching alone, it would not have crashed so spectacularly.
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He had enough confidence in our players to opt for spinning tracks at home, whereas previous coaches opted for docile pitches where even Gillespie managed to score a double century. Even our own players did not have the confidence in themselves as they generally don't play on rank turners. If nothing else, we should remember that one legacy of Hathu.
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He had enough confidence in our players to opt for spinning tracks at home, whereas previous coaches opted for docile pitches where even Gillespie managed to score a double century. Even our own players did not have the confidence in themselves as they generally don't play on rank turners. If nothing else, we should remember that one legacy of Hathu.
That isnt nuclear physics though...many people would agree that a team with Shakib, Taijul, and a third specialist spinner could beat any non Asian side on a turner if you have seen Tests played in India, SL, and UAE.

Once you get then pitches and beat the edge a few times the confidence automatically comes.

He had the best win loss record, so in that sense he's the best coach we've had. But its also true he inherited a much better team than Whatmore or Siddons.
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It begins and ends with the players. Since 2016 our ODI record has been poor. 3 wins vs F9 teams, two of them against England A and NZ A teams. So only 1 win, that too due to Shakib and Riyad, not the coach. The record is thus 1-5 which in the last year plus.

Numbers have a way of averaging out over time. 2014 we lost 15 consecutive games or so, thus 2015 was merely a statistical correction that was due. If it was down to the coaching alone, it would not have crashed so spectacularly.
We havent crashed yet. Just a couple of months ago we beat Australia in a test-in my eyes that is progress-no matter where we are playing. SA tour was a disaster, but play a series against them at home NOW, the results will be completely different.
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We havent crashed yet. Just a couple of months ago we beat Australia in a test-in my eyes that is progress-no matter where we are playing. SA tour was a disaster, but play a series against them at home NOW, the results will be completely different.
Agreed. We are getting the sort of pitches that suit us in tests. Our ODI team has too many holes and one critical area we lack is that none of our bowlers can hold a bat which is critical to ODI success.

The fresh ideas of a new coach is overdue. Hathu had 3.5 years almost which isn't that much less than Whatmore or Siddons.
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SA tour was a disaster, but play a series against them at home NOW, the results will be completely different.
In the current dressing room environment with Hathuru as a coach, I don't think we could beat SA at home.
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