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Old April 14, 2008, 10:48 AM
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Default Some general rules we should follow while forming our ODI team

Of course team selection process is much more complex than the general rules proposed here. But as I believe that we have the talents needed to succeed in the top league, what’s missing is the identification of some of the basic rules while forming a team that can bring the best out of the team. Here are some obvious ones that we need to follow while forming an ODI team:

A. Identify specific role for each player even though at times each may have to be more dynamic.
B. Don’t form a team with player who will require significant altering of his playing style even though based on game condition a little alteration may require.
C. While forming a team, ensure varieties have been considered, and at no time we have too many players of same style.
D. Unless it’s absolutely necessary, don’t form a team with less than 3 pacers.
E. Have good alternative/backup for each position. No need to have 22 players, but find alternatives in the available selected 14/15.
F. Rotate as appropriate based on non-performing individual over a specific numbers of games. This is different from dropping a player. So if someone isn’t performing for 3 games or the weakest link for last 3 games can be rested with the backup option.


It will be a too boring if I am to analyze each rule for each position, but I will use a few examples, and conclude with a team based on the available/selected ones for the Pakistan tour.

For rule A, I think we have been somewhat okay with opening batsmen and bowlers, but the biggest wholes are in batting #s 3 & 4. Many may argue that Aftab is the perfect choice for #3 for taking advantage of power play, but I disagree since this position shouldn’t be filled with a hit and miss or over aggressive player. We just can’t take a chance. As long as we don’t have a proven #3, we should go with 3 openers especially since we have a few excellent opening batsmen in my view. With current 3 options available in TI, SN and Zunaid, it may break rule C, so we should look for a good right handed option for future selection. Also when Mushy is back and performing, he can be at # 3 since he isn’t effective at lower order in ODIs. Number 4 should also be for a player who isn’t over aggressive, and Raqibul should be tried at this position. I have seen Shakib plays well when he is playing at #4 or 5. I don’t think he is very effective in lower order, but # 4 may be good for a batting specialist, so he should be played at #5, if selected.

For rule B, we must allow each player to play with his natural style to bring in best from him. Any alteration request needs to be based on the flexibility that his ability can offer. If we need a specific playing style for one position, we must select a player of that style instead of selecting a player of another style and ask him to change. For example, if we need someone with good defensive technique for # 3, we shouldn’t pick Aftab or Ash to come in for #3 and ask either to be defensive. The same goes for lower order. For example, we can’t ask Mushy to come in lower order and change his style to be aggressive. Because of Ash’s and Aftab’s playing style, I think they are better fit for # 6 or lower order for slogging.

For rule C, we shouldn’t pick too many SLAs, or too many spinners or too many pacers of same style. We also shouldn’t have too many batsmen of same style like Ash and Aftab. If too many of one style are selected, we need to use one or more as backups instead of sending all of them in the playing 11. For this reason, I think we shouldn’t send both Aftab and Ash. It should be one or the other based on whoever is better for the time being. The same way, we shouldn’t send both Shakib and Mahmudullah (for being spinning all rounders).

I won’t go and dig in statistics to support my views for specific players for specific roles/positions since this is more of my common sense writing for generating ideas, but to be perfect the selectors or team management may use specific statistics to form a team. But here is my team, with each player in bracket is the backup for the specific number position identified):


1. TI
2. Zunaid
3. SN
4. Raqibul
5. Shakib (Mahmudullah)
6. Ash (Aftab)
7. Reza
8. Dhiman
9. Mash
10. Shahadat (Razzak)
11. Rasel

As stated above, the suggestions above are just rules for forming a team. But if anyone is interested in a transparent selection process, here is one that I suggested a while back:

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochon...ad.php?t=22518
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Old April 14, 2008, 12:36 PM
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# 1 rule is: Never play ODIs' in a away series without practice matches, period.
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Old April 14, 2008, 12:41 PM
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# 2 rule: Try to follow every single word of Siddons.
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Old April 14, 2008, 12:50 PM
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#3: before selecting ODI squad, spent a week or so in the BC (eto beshi expert and tader motamot dekhe matha ghure jabe!!!)
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Old April 14, 2008, 01:01 PM
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#3: before selecting ODI squad, spent a week or so in the BC (eto beshi expert and tader motamot dekhe matha ghure jabe!!!)
i smell sarcasm there...but all i can say is that this may not be a bad idea at all since knowing all the options can only help you make the best decisions even if you don't agree to most of them...
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Old April 14, 2008, 01:05 PM
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# 2 rule: Try to follow every single words of Siddons.
who should this rule be applied to? are you talking about players or captain or bcb management? i guess forming a team shouldn't be up to regular team member...if it's about the captain and management, i am not sure if i agree ....plus do we really need to pay someone and bring him to dictate us in every aspect of cricket, be him siddons or somebody else?
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Old April 14, 2008, 01:27 PM
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Follow the rules of GENERALS!!
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Old April 14, 2008, 03:07 PM
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Follow the rules of GENERALS!!
only if there were GENERALS with rules....more importantly i like the GENERALS be ruled by someone superior (e.g. me)...
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Old April 14, 2008, 03:43 PM
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I like the rules.
1) and 2) Tamim and Z. SN is an opener let him be the back up.
3) Aftab (Nazimuddin) at first down.
4) Move up Shakib to his original place #4. Let Rakibul be the sub.
5) Next for your veriety we take Mahmudullah as an off spinner. Let Alok be the sub. Both can bat and bowl a little.
6) Ash becomes the closer (Farhad as a sub). Like in Football when the captain sits someone else wears the badge. Let farhad take the resposibility and warms the seat for the capitano.
7) Dhiman (Mushi)
8) Abdur Razzak
9) Mash
10) Rasel
11) Shahadat
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Old April 14, 2008, 04:10 PM
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I like the rules.
1) and 2) Tamim and Z. SN is an opener let him be the back up.
3) Aftab (Nazimuddin) at first down.
4) Move up Shakib to his original place #4. Let Rakibul be the sub.
5) Next for your veriety we take Mahmudullah as an off spinner. Let Alok be the sub. Both can bat and bowl a little.
6) Ash becomes the closer (Farhad as a sub). Like in Football when the captain sits someone else wears the badge. Let farhad take the resposibility and warms the seat for the capitano.
7) Dhiman (Mushi)
8) Abdur Razzak
9) Mash
10) Rasel
11) Shahadat
to me it's more important to agree to rules than to my proposed team...

i know there can be many arguments to my suggested team...for example, 1) how can razzak be the back up of shahadat since they are different types of bowlers? 2) why there isn't good 6th bowling option? 3) why aftab..? etc. etc.....but what i wanted to say is that we need to agree to some rules...and then we can see if the formed team is based on the agreed upon rules.....btw i really think ash and aftab are very similar type of players who have great shots when it all works......but a team can only afford one of them (if at all) especially since they are very inconsistent......i agree with your 1 and 2 positions with TI and Zunaed with SN as backup when we have a solid #3 and 4....since we don't have any i am up for trying with an opener for #3 in case one of the opener fails, #3 can carry on....
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Old April 14, 2008, 05:44 PM
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# 1 rule is: Never play ODIs' in a away series without practice matches, period.
Spot on! and never play a match after spending so much time travelling. The team must be given two full days after arriving at the hotel to settle in and spending at last 2 sessions of practice when there are no practice matches. If Pakistan wanted this series so badly, why did'nt BCB with their bird brains not think about all these things and arrange at least one ODI practice match. What morons they are, also Siddons as the coach should have thought about this. I hope this never happens again.

Such a great disadvantage for these young lads. I felt sorry for them, but et they were gutsy enough to play under these conditions.

I hope a better arrangement is made when they tor Australia.
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Old April 14, 2008, 09:53 PM
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Management should Seek Improvement, Accountability and Accreditation When Assessing Player Learning....

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Old April 15, 2008, 08:23 AM
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Management should Seek Improvement, Accountability and Accreditation When Assessing Player Learning....

precisely...in summary PDCA or PDSA for continual improvement...
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Old April 15, 2008, 11:37 AM
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i like the rules but bd management and selectors are too thick to get them.no complains against the players,we can see that they can follow rules.siddonserta follow kore.
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Old April 15, 2008, 12:14 PM
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Management should Seek Improvement, Accountability and Accreditation When Assessing Player Learning....

I think the cycle is running over and over for years.

Problem is with the skill. They need to be in the nets practicing and improving their skills, untill they are ready to follow rules.

If they don't have the skills to take singles, how do the follow the instructions of taking singles?

If they don't have the skills to play defensive for prolonged period, how do they follow the rule?

If they don't have the skill of understanding the swing, how does he follow the rule of leaving a outswinger close to off stump?

Skill has been the main problem, I know there were a lot of discussion in BC, not much before, but now we seem to have forgotten that, the players don't have the skill of playing according to their will or the will of the management.
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Old April 15, 2008, 12:22 PM
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I think the cycle is running over and over for years.
Then follow this one...

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Old April 15, 2008, 12:39 PM
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we just need to folo basic rules thats it.
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Old April 15, 2008, 02:23 PM
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Always play an specialist opener as opener and never play an specialist opener at middle order
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Old April 15, 2008, 03:09 PM
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Always play an specialist opener as opener and never play an specialist opener at middle order
what about if an opener can do better in the middle order than our current bunch in the middle order?
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Old April 15, 2008, 03:18 PM
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Then follow this one...

PDCA or as you have suggested PDSA (btw i also prefer PDSA and continual improvement instead of continuous improvement for that matter) method must be used for improving the quality of our cricket as a whole as well as for continual improvement of individual cricketers as well......since the method can be effectively used for improving quality of almost anything, i am sure for the general rules too we can use the same for continual corrective rules...
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