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Old October 15, 2017, 11:05 AM
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^May be Walsh is coaching him too.
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Old October 15, 2017, 11:06 AM
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^May be Walsh is coaching him too.
Walsh is also coaching the batsmen and also hatursinghe.
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Old October 15, 2017, 01:06 PM
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Old October 15, 2017, 09:36 PM
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Walsh is also coaching the batsmen and also hatursinghe.
Also Papon .
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Old October 15, 2017, 10:43 PM
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Shakib Al Hasan is NOT the greatest AR of all time, lets not start that debate.
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Old October 15, 2017, 11:51 PM
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Shakib Al Hasan is NOT the greatest AR of all time, lets not start that debate.
He is not but he will be in the next 5 years if he remains fit and stops taking those rests.
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Old October 16, 2017, 12:38 PM
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He is not but he will be in the next 5 years if he remains fit and stops taking those rests.
Highly very very unlikely that he will end up with stats like Kallis. Let's not kid ourselves here. He maybe the best allrounder of this generation but not ATG like Kallis - however, in a couple of years, I can forsee Panday knocking him out as the better allrounder of this era if he keeps on playing like he is doing atm.
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Old October 16, 2017, 01:57 PM
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Highly very very unlikely that he will end up with stats like Kallis. Let's not kid ourselves here. He maybe the best allrounder of this generation but not ATG like Kallis - however, in a couple of years, I can forsee Panday knocking him out as the better allrounder of this era if he keeps on playing like he is doing atm.
Maybe in ODIs
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Old October 16, 2017, 03:38 PM
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Maybe in ODIs
Easy there mate. Shakib isn't even the best allrounder of this current era let alone him being the best allrounder of all time.

No doubt, he's the best allrounder Bangladesh have ever produced but let's not kid ourselves, he'll never be considered as good as someone like Kapil dev, Imran khan, kallis or Botham. These r true ATGs. Ppl will just laugh at our delusions if we put Shakib's name beside the name of these players.


BTW, at the moment shakib is a big liability with the ball even in ODIs. If u don't believe me look at his past two years bowling performance outside Dhaka and ctg.
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Old October 16, 2017, 05:27 PM
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You can't compare i.e. Shakib with Kallis because both are different type of all-rounders, and both play for different sides. Shakib plays for a weak side, so he always has pressure over his shoulders to deliver unlike Kallis. I still think Shakib in one of the top 20 greatest all-rounders of all-time. Also, he's a left-arm-spinner, so it's much harder for him to pick-up wickets compared to an off-spinner. You could argue he plays a lot of his matches v Zimbabwe or at home, but so do the majority of International players. There has never been an outstanding all-rounder that can bat like Kallis, and bowl like Steyn in the history of cricket, and likely there ever will be one over the next 100 years or so...
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Old October 17, 2017, 02:24 AM
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Easy there mate. Shakib isn't even the best allrounder of this current era let alone him being the best allrounder of all time.

No doubt, he's the best allrounder Bangladesh have ever produced but let's not kid ourselves, he'll never be considered as good as someone like Kapil dev, Imran khan, kallis or Botham. These r true ATGs. Ppl will just laugh at our delusions if we put Shakib's name beside the name of these players.


BTW, at the moment shakib is a big liability with the ball even in ODIs. If u don't believe me look at his past two years bowling performance outside Dhaka and ctg.
People should be laughing at your delusions for thinking like that .. he matches everyone but sobers in terms of batting and bowling average difference and none of those allrounders started their career playing for a joke of a team, a team that was worse then county or ranji teams and surely all aus state teams ..none of them played 3 formats, kapil dev and imran khan had great spinners and batsmen to back them up and botham kallis had a battery of quicks to taunt the batmen before they bowled. shakib is the 2nd best ATG after Sobers
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Old October 17, 2017, 03:28 AM
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You can't compare i.e. Shakib with Kallis because both are different type of all-rounders, and both play for different sides. Shakib plays for a weak side, so he always has pressure over his shoulders to deliver unlike Kallis. I still think Shakib in one of the top 20 greatest all-rounders of all-time. Also, he's a left-arm-spinner, so it's much harder for him to pick-up wickets compared to an off-spinner. You could argue he plays a lot of his matches v Zimbabwe or at home, but so do the majority of International players. There has never been an outstanding all-rounder that can bat like Kallis, and bowl like Steyn in the history of cricket, and likely there ever will be one over the next 100 years or so...
Current international players have not played as much matches against Zimbabwe than Shakib Al Hasan. Let Ben Stokes/Hardik Pandya play against Zimbabwe 43 times.
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Old October 17, 2017, 03:43 AM
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Big fan of Shakib, but would never put him in the same category as Botham's, Imran Khan's, same reason why i wont put Kohli in the category of Tendulkar and Lara. Quality of cricket those days was phenomenal.

But history books are likely to recognize Shakib as an all time great (Not saying greatest). Because if he plays for another 6-7 years, he ll be retiring with a whole lot of runs and wickets in all formats.
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Old October 17, 2017, 08:29 AM
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Current international players have not played as much matches against Zimbabwe than Shakib Al Hasan. Let Ben Stokes/Hardik Pandya play against Zimbabwe 43 times.
Shakib gets to play against Zimbabwe and associate teams; they get to play against Zimbabwe, the Associates and Bangladesh.
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Old October 17, 2017, 09:04 AM
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OMG, this debate is still on ?
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Old October 18, 2017, 09:07 AM
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OMG, this debate is still on ?
Exactly what I am thinking, coming to BC after a long time

How does it matter even if Shakib is not a ATG. We Bangladeshis just want to have a secret pleasure that we have a ATG. In terms of quality Shakib doesn't match any of the greats but in terms of effectiveness he might be one of the greatest to play cricket. He is poor man's Hadlee. So Bangladeshis should refrain themselves from these type of comparision. Shakib will remain great regarless of the acceptance from the rest of the world.
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Old October 18, 2017, 09:46 AM
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Big fan of Shakib, but would never put him in the same category as Botham's, Imran Khan's, same reason why i wont put Kohli in the category of Tendulkar and Lara. Quality of cricket those days was phenomenal.

But history books are likely to recognize Shakib as an all time great (Not saying greatest). Because if he plays for another 6-7 years, he ll be retiring with a whole lot of runs and wickets in all formats.
Botham made his name against a weakish Australian team

ODI cricket in general was very poor compared to the standards now

Kohli isn't as good as those guys in tests, his numbers show that, he's a superior odi player though

Botham averaged in the low 20s with the bat in odis, imran Khan in similar amount of matches as Shakib has 1500 runs less and 50 odd wickets less too

In test cricket, Botham average difference is about 5 Shakibs is 8, imran was obviously a better bowler, you can say Botham was too, as for his batting he played what 40 matches or something more than Shakib and scored like 200 runs more than Shakib

Now let's get to the teams, neither Botham nor imran were ever the main batsman or bowler in their team, Shakib was
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Old October 18, 2017, 09:48 AM
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Exactly what I am thinking, coming to BC after a long time

How does it matter even if Shakib is not a ATG. We Bangladeshis just want to have a secret pleasure that we have a ATG. In terms of quality Shakib doesn't match any of the greats but in terms of effectiveness he might be one of the greatest to play cricket. He is poor man's Hadlee. So Bangladeshis should refrain themselves from these type of comparision. Shakib will remain great regarless of the acceptance from the rest of the world.
How is he poor man's Hadlee they're very similar in terms of carrying their teams
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Old October 18, 2017, 09:58 AM
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Riyadh should play this way in test matches.
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Old October 18, 2017, 10:25 AM
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^wrong thread?
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Old October 18, 2017, 10:35 AM
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Old October 18, 2017, 11:11 AM
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Easy there mate. Shakib isn't even the best allrounder of this current era let alone him being the best allrounder of all time.

No doubt, he's the best allrounder Bangladesh have ever produced but let's not kid ourselves, he'll never be considered as good as someone like Kapil dev, Imran khan, kallis or Botham. These r true ATGs. Ppl will just laugh at our delusions if we put Shakib's name beside the name of these players.


BTW, at the moment shakib is a big liability with the ball even in ODIs. If u don't believe me look at his past two years bowling performance outside Dhaka and ctg.
Why put Kapil Dev at the beginning of ATG all rounder. I think, the best ever the world has seen is Ravichandran Ashwin, then very close to him is Ravindra Jadeja. Then comes Kapil Dev and vinoo mankad. 5th on the all all time list would a close battle between monoj probhakar and Ravi shashtri. But in few years time Hardik pandy will topple them all.

So that's the best of the best. Then you can talk about Sobers, Kallis, imran, botham, Haddle, proctor, rice, miller etc. Shakib nowhere near.
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Why put Kapil Dev at the beginning of ATG all rounder. I think, the best ever the world has seen is Ravichandran Ashwin, then very close to him is Ravindra Jadeja. Then comes Kapil Dev and vinoo mankad. 5th on the all all time list would a close battle between monoj probhakar and Ravi shashtri. But in few years time Hardik pandy will topple them all.

So that's the best of the best. Then you can talk about Sobers, Kallis, imran, botham, Haddle, proctor, rice, miller etc. Shakib nowhere near.
ha ha, well played mate. I assume Stokes would make your list after Shastri if he can stop from getting into drunken brawls?
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Shak is off to the T10 league in UAE, but Fizz is denied NOC. Tamim is held back for a day for disciplinary hearing over his BPL pitch comment.

http://www.thedailystar.net/sports/s...ed-noc-1504630
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