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Old July 1, 2008, 01:22 PM
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Default Chopping and changing is killing our game

I seriously hate JSiddons childish 'team rule' and I'm saying that because I feel strongly about it. To me the target of 240 is not pushing us. He should have belief in the players that they can do better and allow them toplay their natural game but also be wary of opponents. I know we are capable of it and the most recent example is against India when we posted 43 runs more than his 'target' even when Ashraful and others failed to perform. The new strategies suggest to me that our talented cricketers have lost the battle even before they step onto the field when the reality is that they can do better than they think, but the manager takes blame for that.

My other major point is that while changing players is good for the long term, it is terrible fo the short term. A good example of this is Alok Kapali. He consistently failed with the bat and now after 6 years since his debut he has posted his highest ever total. That surely must be a good thing but if players like him take as long as him to score that many runs after being kept out of the team then the next major tournament is no worth to the team. Keeping players and having faith in the 15-22 most talented cricketers the country has got is really important.

Take England for example in football; the individual players are world class players and many would fit into most top clubs but because the players have been in and out of the squad due to new managers etc the team doesn't have a winning formula and consequently England have failed to reach Euro 2008. I hope you guys understand where I am coming from.

Now, however much I hate JS's new 'rules' the idea of not changing the team too much is one I like. Take Rakibul Hasan, for example: many people doubted him and he didn''t do well in the Ireland series but now he seems to be our major positive from a consistent batting poin of view. Also, many of fans might get frustrated by NazimUddin's consistent failures having not got double figures once before the Sri Lanka game. But because he has been shown faith and chances he played really good shots against Sri Lanka with a score of 47 which was only his wrong judgement when he got run out to blame. He is a talented batsmen and I like the way he gets runs without needin to loft the ball too much like his fellow batsmen. The commentators hoped he would bat a long innings but because of his run-out he couldn't. He knows when to defend and when to attack especially against fast bowlers but he needs to work on some shots, most notably cut shot just like other bangladeshis.

Going back to my point, sticking with the same team will do us good for the short term and long term because what we are lacking now is the winning formula and I believe we can challenge the bigger nations if we play to our potential and find the right mix.
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Old July 1, 2008, 03:49 PM
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Although I dont like the current selection panel but I think they are sticking to some core players and only making few changes overall. Alok was performing for the last 2 years in NCL and was drafted for the A tour. I dont know that much people doubted Raqibul because he is also a consistent performer in NCL. Where the selection team went wrong was,, with the bowlers and wicketkeepers. Sajid/Shahadat/Dollar/Riad/Mushfique are the inclusions tin the ODI is probably debatable against dropping Rasel/Dhiman/etc.

Personally, I dont like the way Siddons is doing things either. Its his first job out of Australia,, and that too being a head coach of a national team of an Asian country. It is a learning experience for him but I think he also needs the support from the board with a strong manager/selection comittee/staff. He doesnt necessarily has that team of support.

Not always everthing comes through predictable process like BKSP pumps into our system. Our team has gone through a significant change by all the senior members being chopped off... hence we have this problem of sorting out the team. We are still lacking couple of good bowlers and a good allrounder. Given the fact that we have those defficiencies and that our selectors are the worst in the entire universe,, and the fact that most of our players are inconsistent,,, there is no choice but to change the team every series..
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Old July 1, 2008, 04:12 PM
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Agreed.
If you look at the stats, we had so many changes in our batting department previously due to our non performing batsmen. But now the selection team started to break the good bowling department. Though Rafique was old and Raz was trained in his shadow as his future replacement, the committee did not do enough to train and retain the bowling squad. Also our main pacer Mash had a bad patch and absence of Rasel were a huge blow along with Rafique requirements.
Selection committee should not have brought Dollar into the scene right away. Instead they should have considered training or sending pipeline players to different series in A teams. Dollar did decent in A team, but we have to remember just playing one or two series will not give us quality bowlers. Also Riyad was just too ordinary to give us a break as a fifth bowler and all rounder. A bowling coach to rectify the mistakes of the pacers, especially Rajib's line and length and also work with the ordinary spinners was long overdue. Though they are trying to have "team rule" and play with selected 22-25 players, these players need to perform also from their own.
If the selection criteria is properly managed there will be no need for chopping and changing. If "Bismillah e golod", then that will keep on happenning. We also have to understand we are dealing with players with tender age (just 22+ or 24), so they need to realize that players need some direction sometimes to reveal their potential talent unlike other players like Jayasuria who is 39 but still at his best form.
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Old July 1, 2008, 04:36 PM
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when siddons says 240 is the target i'm sure what he really means is aim for 240+, 240 would be the minimum he expects the team to get.

as for not changing up the team, i agree, but it's all about finding the right mix/combination first. you don't just slap a group of 15-16 players together and keep them together unless they are the right combination. they're starting to get there though, i don't see anyone currently in the starting XI being dropped from the squad and we have shakib and aftab to return and hopefully rasel so that's already 14 players so for a squad of 15/16 there really from now on should only be a couple of spots up for grabs, the rest of the spots atm are taken.

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Old July 1, 2008, 04:49 PM
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looks like JS hate club is growing faster then ASH hate club... another thread on Birokto JS...
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Old July 1, 2008, 05:46 PM
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as for not changing up the team, i agree, but it's all about finding the right mix/combination first. you don't just slap a group of 15-16 players together and keep them together unless they are the right combination. they're starting to get there though, i don't see anyone currently in the starting XI being dropped from the squad and we have shakib and aftab to return and hopefully rasel so that's already 14 players so for a squad of 15/16 there really from now on should only be a couple of spots up for grabs, the rest of the spots atm are taken.
I also think current playing XI+Mosharraf+Sakib, Rasel, Aftab should be the ODI squad persisted with, at least until end of this year.

But I think we still need lots of experimentation with the test squad. I sincerely believe Shahriar should be pushed down in the middle order (especially when we tour SA). In his place, we can bring back Zunaed or Tamim's older brother Nafees.

We should be also open minded to see someone like Naeem Islam in the test squad provided he can do well in A-team's tour of England.

I am hoping Sajidul Islam will be able to retain his position as the third seamer in the test team, but his position does not loook certain yet.

It's also not clear yet which one from Abdur Razzak, Enamul Haque, and Mosharraf Hossain will win the specialist spinner spot in the team.

There is still a question mark over whether Sakib Al Hasan will be able to transform his ODI form into test form.
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Old July 1, 2008, 05:53 PM
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when siddons says 240 is the target i'm sure what he really means is aim for 240+, 240 would be the minimum he expects the team to get.
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Old July 1, 2008, 06:30 PM
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looks like JS hate club is growing faster then ASH hate club... another thread on Birokto JS...
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Old July 1, 2008, 08:24 PM
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I also think current playing XI+Mosharraf+Sakib, Rasel, Aftab should be the ODI squad persisted with, at least until end of this year.

But I think we still need lots of experimentation with the test squad. I sincerely believe Shahriar should be pushed down in the middle order (especially when we tour SA). In his place, we can bring back Zunaed or Tamim's older brother Nafees.

We should be also open minded to see someone like Naeem Islam in the test squad provided he can do well in A-team's tour of England.

I am hoping Sajidul Islam will be able to retain his position as the third seamer in the test team, but his position does not loook certain yet.

It's also not clear yet which one from Abdur Razzak, Enamul Haque, and Mosharraf Hossain will win the specialist spinner spot in the team.

There is still a question mark over whether Sakib Al Hasan will be able to transform his ODI form into test form.
good post, agree with everything you said. test squad is still really uncertain at this point, i'd like to see junaid and tamim opening with SN down the order like you said. sajidul i'd like to see in the test squad but wouldn't mind seeing him in the one-day squad either assuming rasel comes back and we struggle with finding a 3rd pacer (still not sure about shahadat and reza yet).

in regards to spinners, well enamul lost his contract with the BCB so i'm not sure how likely he is to get into the test squad, actually i'm not even sure who they're looking at as spinners for that squad, they might even be thinking about riyad and kapali.
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Old July 1, 2008, 10:45 PM
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Our cricketers might not be consistent but there are always some fans who are consistently not liking many things about players, coaches, selectors, etc. This is not to discourage the fans because everybody is entitled to their opinion but there comes a time when everybody needs to unite; I wonder when that time will come for the fans and followers?
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Our cricketers might not be consistent but there are always some fans who are consistently not liking many things about players, coaches, selectors, etc. This is not to discourage the fans because everybody is entitled to their opinion but there comes a time when everybody needs to unite; I wonder when that time will come for the fans and followers?
Agree with you completely, sometimes we fans are a bit too much impatient and try to find out mistakes in everything that players, coach and management do.
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Old July 2, 2008, 03:10 AM
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If you are not winning there has to be some reason, unless we reah that stage, when you lose even after doing everything right. Untill then it's fair to point out mistakes, that possibly helps to improve.
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Old July 2, 2008, 10:28 AM
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when siddons says 240 is the target i'm sure what he really means is aim for 240+, 240 would be the minimum he expects the team to get.

as for not changing up the team, i agree, but it's all about finding the right mix/combination first. you don't just slap a group of 15-16 players together and keep them together unless they are the right combination. they're starting to get there though, i don't see anyone currently in the starting XI being dropped from the squad and we have shakib and aftab to return and hopefully rasel so that's already 14 players so for a squad of 15/16 there really from now on should only be a couple of spots up for grabs, the rest of the spots atm are taken.
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Old July 2, 2008, 10:51 AM
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Go Siddons Go.... Please do not listen to us, every success has a setback in the initial days......I know you can take us there...
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Old July 2, 2008, 12:04 PM
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Who can tell me more about Mosharraf Hossain because atm I don't know who he is. Is he good enough to be in the squad or even push the 11?
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Sadz bro...you went into hiding for a while now. Welcome back.
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Old July 2, 2008, 01:02 PM
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Thankyou, well spotted Kabir bhai. The truth is that I usually am just here for reading threads but post usually when there are matches involving the Tigerz. Comes to think of it, what about you I haven't posted on you for a while now. Welcome back from my point of view!
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Old July 2, 2008, 04:50 PM
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Even Cricinfo backed up my comments.
Sri Lanka have sealed their spot in the final, and have the luxury to rest key players, something Pakistan won't want them to do. However, they will look back to the loss to Australia in an inconsequential game last year, when they rested key bowlers for tactical reasons against Australia after having sealed their spot in the semi-finals of the World Cup - the same bowlers proved ineffective in the one-sided final
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