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Old November 27, 2017, 07:56 AM
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^^ I was just going to share the same post; great work from Isam setting the conflicts out so cogently.
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Old November 27, 2017, 09:33 AM
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So Andy is not interested.

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Old November 27, 2017, 11:37 AM
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What about Joyabordhoney...bordhoney....dhoney...ney....ney.. .ey..ey ?

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Old November 27, 2017, 11:49 AM
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To be honest all the good coaches are either taken or dont want to come to Bangladesh.
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Old November 27, 2017, 12:07 PM
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What about Joyabordhoney...bordhoney....dhoney...ney....ney.. .ey..ey ?

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good grief..this post should be hidden from dinraat
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Old November 27, 2017, 12:28 PM
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Mahela already turned down the offer. He is making way more money from his seasonal T20 gigs.
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Old November 27, 2017, 01:23 PM
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Dont understand why we are not contacting Rahul Dravid. He can be an excellent pick
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Old November 27, 2017, 01:32 PM
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^^ Dravid makes 2.5 times (RS 5 Crore) of Hathuru's salary. Also, working with development teams is not as hectic as working with an international team.

It's pointless even to think about taking away a top coach from BCCI or IPL.
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Old November 27, 2017, 01:49 PM
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Mahela already turned down the offer. He is making way more money from his seasonal T20 gigs.
He did? Links?
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Old November 27, 2017, 02:13 PM
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^^ It was more of a rumor to be honest, since BCB is not disclosing who they are approaching and who already turned them down.

I believed it since, as I said before, he is already making way more money without making any serious/hectic commitment.
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Old November 27, 2017, 02:55 PM
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Getting a good coach is not either easy nor it is guaranteed.

Expect for a roller coaster ride.


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Old November 27, 2017, 03:45 PM
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^^ Dravid makes 2.5 times (RS 5 Crore) of Hathuru's salary. Also, working with development teams is not as hectic as working with an international team.

It's pointless even to think about taking away a top coach from BCCI or IPL.

Since Dravid had the experience of working with development teams, He would have been an ideal coach for our team. Our team need hands on training to develop our players than anything.
But I do agree that BCCI will never release Dravid. And no need to be on BCCI's hate list just for a coach
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Old November 27, 2017, 04:54 PM
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We wouldn't be able to afford Dravid anyways
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Old November 27, 2017, 05:02 PM
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Bhbia korio kaaj, koria bhabio na.
Who are you referring to? BCB didn't sack Hathuru. In fact they were very keen to continue with him and gave him a raise last year. It's Hathuru who is fleeing failing to resolve dressing room conflicts.
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Old November 27, 2017, 05:06 PM
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Old November 27, 2017, 08:09 PM
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Who are you referring to? BCB didn't sack Hathuru. In fact they were very keen to continue with him and gave him a raise last year. It's Hathuru who is fleeing failing to resolve dressing room conflicts.
Not BCB. A significant amount of fans and reporters wanted Haturu's head (for valid reason or not) and they got their wish, thanks to (??) Haturu.

Now if we want Haturu out, we are making an assumption that:

A) BCB will make a good decision while picking up next coach; AND
B) Good coach will be interested to come to Bangladesh.

People making all those high profile coaches as if they are eager to take the job. I think we are making too much assumptions here and will be end up a very low profile risky choice.

Yes Haturu failed in a way... was that only coach's fault OR was it was a case of "goru pitayee manush kora jai na" , you have to wait and see.
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Old November 28, 2017, 03:40 PM
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BCB more focused on profile
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Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) CEO Nizamuddin Chowdhury revealed yesterday that the board is currently looking for a new head coach for the Bangladesh national team who is 'similar to Chandika Hathurusingha'.

“We are looking at overall [performance] as we had an experience with Hathurusingha and got a flavour from him. We are looking for someone like Hathurusingha with the type of method and technique so we are taking that as a high profile. Mainly we are focusing on profile rather than only going for big names and are more interested in their coaching career,” Nizamuddin told reporters at the BCB headquarters in Mirpur.
Bad move, if they are looking for another Hathuru. Hathuru showed he can't really help youngsters. Soumya, Sabbir, Taskin, etc only regressed under him, not to mention what became of Jubair.

In our current phase, when we're in need to bring back some players to form as well to bring in some new blood, BCB should look for someone like Siddons who can help them overcome their technical short comings, yet a better disciplinarian than Siddons was.
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Old November 28, 2017, 03:55 PM
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Oh no... not another Siddon. Siddon is good for development team, or batting coach for national team.


If some one like Siddon comes as head coach, I need to prepared to go to hibernation. We will learn nothing from past.


We need to get someone better than Haturu, not worse than him someone like Siddon. He may be very good specialized coach, but he is not a good choice as head coach.
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Old November 28, 2017, 04:23 PM
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^^ Hathuru would not have enjoyed the success if not for the foundation works done by Siddons with Tamim, Mushfiq, and Riyad. Shakib also became a true allrounder under Siddons as opposed to being a batting allrounder.

Hathuru brought confidence, better game strategy, and discipline that was lacking in Siddons era. But, imo, it was evident in his last year that you can only go so far without having to help players overcome their technical short comings. IMO, we are more need of a technical coach than a tactical coach in our current cycle of development. Otherwise, we will see talents like Soumya, Sabbir, Mosaddek getting lost. Without a good technical coach, their possible replacements such as Shanto, Afif, Saif etc are also unlikely to find a firm ground in international cricket.
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^^ Hathuru would not have enjoyed the success if not for the foundation works done by Siddons with Tamim, Mushfiq, and Riyad. Shakib also became a true allrounder under Siddons as opposed to being a batting allrounder.

Hathuru brought confidence, better game strategy, and discipline that was lacking in Siddons era. But, imo, it was evident in his last year that you can only go so far without having to help players overcome their technical short comings. IMO, we are more need of a technical coach than a tactical coach in our current cycle of development.
Your point is well taken and I am not disputing the fact that Siddon has the skill-set that Haturu lacked. Siddon is a great batting coach but a really bad head coach... he is not a head coach material. he is a known failure as a head coach. With him team discipline will go to trash can.

As a next head coach we need a person with skill-set of both. Or atleast we need a head-coach like haturu (and unlike Siddon) matched with two good specialized coach.

Otherwise we will go one step forward and two step backward... and not learning anything from history.
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^^ Hathuru would not have enjoyed the success if not for the foundation works done by Siddons with Tamim, Mushfiq, and Riyad. Shakib also became a true allrounder under Siddons as opposed to being a batting allrounder.

Hathuru brought confidence, better game strategy, and discipline that was lacking in Siddons era. But, imo, it was evident in his last year that you can only go so far without having to help players overcome their technical short comings. IMO, we are more need of a technical coach than a tactical coach in our current cycle of development. Otherwise, we will see talents like Soumya, Sabbir, Mosaddek getting lost. Without a good technical coach, their possible replacements such as Shanto, Afif, Saif etc are also unlikely to find a firm ground in international cricket.
Two major points there and thus, I agree with Fazal mamu and you Eshen -> we need some one who is both: Siddons (who has passion and love for our cricket/people) and Haturu (who portraits confidence and better game strategies) and further more, he is willing to dedicate himself for our cricket (in terms of time, effort etc, unlike Haturu who has enjoyed more vacation time compare to work time!) ...
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Old November 28, 2017, 04:53 PM
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^^ I would not say Hathuru lacked dedication. He was a T20 coach who would get access to a group of players before start of a tournament, not a coach who would work with them long term. He did well to measure up players he had and come up with an effective strategy quickly. He did not have much to offer beyond that.

IMO, it will work better for us if we find an FC coach from Eng, Aus, or SA, who has experience with long term development of players as well as coming up with effective game strategies.
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Old November 28, 2017, 10:20 PM
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If we wanted mix of technical and organizer-type coach, Flower was our guy. But unfortunately he isnt keen.

Good that BCB wants to appoint someone before SL tour. Its a tough ask though.
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Your point is well taken and I am not disputing the fact that Siddon has the skill-set that Haturu lacked. Siddon is a great batting coach but a really bad head coach... he is not a head coach material. he is a known failure as a head coach. With him team discipline will go to trash can.

As a next head coach we need a person with skill-set of both. Or atleast we need a head-coach like haturu (and unlike Siddon) matched with two good specialized coach.

Otherwise we will go one step forward and two step backward... and not learning anything from history.
Team discipline was lost during Hathuru's last year. Senior players most likely resented him and eventually lost trust. This is the single best explanation for Shakib's sabbatical and Mushfiq's bizarre remarks during SA tour.
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Old November 29, 2017, 01:27 AM
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Agree with you on this. Lost the dressing room. You cant come back from that. I dont think Mash was also at ease with him.

On the topic of coaches i wonder who BCB are considering. They approached Langer and Flower-both were good choices. But declined

Phil Simmons is an interesting choice, excellent job with Ireland, Zimbabwe, won T20 with WI. But torrid time towards the end before he was sacked. Ordinarily i would say we can do a lot better than Simmons, but i would take him over say the likes of Aaqib Javed, Waqar Younis, Dean Jones, Khaled Mahmud.
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