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Old September 25, 2011, 11:20 PM
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Lightbulb The ASHRAFOOL QUERY thread

Md. Ashraful is one of the wonders that bangladesh has produced. I wonder if we actually had nominated Md. ashraful as one of the new 7 wonders instead of sundarbans or cox's bazar that would have got more interest.

anyway in this thread i am going to put up a query for md. ashraful. but first u have to realize which group u are. because there will two separate queries for two separate group of people. please first judge urself which group u belong and then answer the question for ur group.

QUERY 1 for DIE HARD ASHRAFUL LOVERS: ( this is for ppl who thinks ashraful should be in the team for his past match winning performances and his capabilities to win matches, class is permanent but form is temporary and it is only a matter of time he will mature and will spark again play match winning innings for BD, and there is no better replacement.):"How long do you think Ashraful should keep a place in the national team provided he continues to be inconsistent and giving away his wicket playing silly shots? in other words, what performance by ashraful will finally make u decide that its enough, ashraful should now be dropped? "

QUERY 2 for DIE HARD ASHRAFUL HATERS: ( this is for ppl who thinks ashraful should not be in the team only for his past match winning performances and his capabilities to win matches. although class is permanent and form is temporary but form is more important. and we cannot afford somebody like ashraful for only his history as he is never gonna mature and play consistently ever, rather we should give others the chances):"As it looks likely that Ashraful will get a place in the WI squad, what performance by ashraful will finally make u decide that ashraful has matured, and from then on he deserves a regular place in the BD team, and he can be forgiven for misusing his talent with lack of consistency and maturity ?

NB. if u are not in either of the above category then looks like u are neutral, a good intelligent thinker or may be an idiot, or may be u dont care whether ASH is in the team or not. in that case its time, u can join any of the group and answer the query or u can just ignore this thread or enjoy the thread with what ppl are saying (if any).

thanks to all.
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Old September 26, 2011, 12:22 AM
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I just rechecked my URL to see if I haven't accidentally entered www.ashraful-alochona.com. The guy generate so much interest among BC fans and that alone is enough to give him a place in the starting eleven.

Ashraful should be in the team till he decides he cant walk and talk anymore . He along with SHAKIB are the only match winners we have . I would rather play Ashraful 100 innings and win 5 matches than play Sir Imrul Kayes/Sir Rokibul Hossain who will give us 100 shommaanjonok porajoys.

Unless proven match winners come in to the side we have to stick with Ash .
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Old September 26, 2011, 02:23 AM
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query 2: Consistent performance in the wi series in every match..a single match or two wont do for me..and will have to show that now he posses a brain that can actually work
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Old September 26, 2011, 03:27 AM
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I guess i am a neutral idiot so I will have a go at answering both questions

Response as an Ash-Fan (don't want to say lover): Although it is true Ashraful kisudin dhore run paitesena but since Class is permanent and memory is temporary yet form is cyclical, based on that simple fact I think very soon Ash will convert his Eid innings into some kinda Nofol roja innings (maash e tin ta valo innings). So I believe we should have faith that he will bat oil in the WI series. My expectation is that ash will average 24 in the series but with the help of Utpal shuvro that average will be made to look like 74 and he will continue on to pakistan series.

Die Hard Ash-hater: Ash should be replaced even if he scores a triple century because we have talented lower order failures like Naeem Islam who is a genuine top order prospect due to the brilliant technical skills he displays facing new ball pace bowling.

One must also mention Khocha Nafees who has made the region behind the slips and wicket keeper a signature region of his own for his brilliant shotmaking.

and who can forget the talented Rockibul hassan a brilliant boy trapped in Izaz Butt's mind who has the tenacity and skill to pick out close in fielders with pin-point accuracy.

All in all with the abundance of talent at our disposal, I feel Ash needs to average at least 113 per innings to warrant a place in this side.
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Old September 26, 2011, 04:56 AM
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Ashraful should be in the team as long he can perform better than the contenders of his position.

And he should be dropped when ever we have a more consistent performer than him

While you have only bringing borderline cases, without a better performance records in about 50 matches; leave it on to the selectors. When a player averages the same as Ash, Ash gets selected due to his occassional match Wining inningses. so it's basically a comparison between a normal beggar and a bit charismatic beggar.

All these discussions wouldn't happen if we had a better performer than him. Some people expected Rokibul/Junaid will perform better if given time... They got over 4 years and around 50 matches, they have managed to get an average 2/3 betterr than Ash, due to Ned / Zim etc matches, but never stood out with an innings when it mattered for the victory of the team, which Ash clearly did in a few occasions. So, that keeps him ahead of the people he is in competition.

I would personally like to see a consistent Ash or another consistently better player to replace him. So in order to replace Ash, it's not necessary to only point his weakness, we need to find out who is better than him. Not who will be better than him, such assumptions are even spoiling Ash's ability and giving us players who even fail to do what Ash has shown he can do occasionally. Bochore ekbar polao/Eid is better than no polao/Eid in life time.
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Ashraful should be in the team as long he can perform better than the contenders of his position.

And he should be dropped when ever we have a more consistent performer than him

While you have only bringing borderline cases, without a better performance records in about 50 matches; leave it on to the selectors. When a player averages the same as Ash, Ash gets selected due to his occassional match Wining inningses. so it's basically a comparison between a normal beggar and a bit charismatic beggar.

All these discussions wouldn't happen if we had a better performer than him. Some people expected Rokibul/Junaid will perform better if given time... They got over 4 years and around 50 matches, they have managed to get an average 2/3 betterr than Ash, due to Ned / Zim etc matches, but never stood out with an innings when it mattered for the victory of the team, which Ash clearly did in a few occasions. So, that keeps him ahead of the people he is in competition.

I would personally like to see a consistent Ash or another consistently better player to replace him. So in order to replace Ash, it's not necessary to only point his weakness, we need to find out who is better than him. Not who will be better than him, such assumptions are even spoiling Ash's ability and giving us players who even fail to do what Ash has shown he can do occasionally. Bochore ekbar polao/Eid is better than no polao/Eid in life time.
Before we had to depend on Ash to win matches. I would say it was up to 2009 where we had to rely on an Ash eid innings to win us ODI's. We also had him in the test team because we just didn't have another batsman that could hit multiple centuries. That was the state of our cricket before.

Then 2010 hit and things have definitely changed. We found out that Shakib could win us matches more consistently then Ash could, actually Shakib started his heroics in 2009 as well and then Tamim showed that he can score multiple test centuries and he scores test centuries at a much quicker rate then Ash. So now Ash isn't the main guy relied upon to win us ODI's and score test centuries.

So now there lies another problem. A solid #3 and #4 in our batting order and that unfortunately has not been solved yet. So we need consistent batsmen who can bat there. So Ash could be a regular in the team by just being consistent and he doesn't have to shoulder the responsibility of winning matches. But the question is has he even been consistent? No. He's been far from it. Even Rock and Junaid had a better average and SR in 2010 and 2011. And another thing to note is that Ash didn't even win us match in these 2 years. So that's what makes his average even worse. The blame goes on the team management for not giving an extended run to Naeem and Mushy in the top order when Junaid and Rokibul were struggling. If we had tried that in 2010, we could have solved the #3 and #4 problem and we wouldn't even be discussing Ash being back.

So I'll say this again. He's not depended on to win us ODI's, he's not depended on to win us matches, he's not depended on being consistent, so the question is what does Ash have to offer for our team? He really doesn't have much to offer for our cricket anymore. Would I have wanted Ash to become a great player? Of course. Everyone in Bangladesh would. Unfortunately he hasn't lived up to his talent and it's time to move on. And it's not only Ash that's a victim of underachieving. Kambli and Jamie How are a few good examples. You also see in other sports, players under achieving. There's no point of sobbing over it. Bangladesh cricket has to move on without Ash and we need to go on and try other talents.
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Before we had to depend on Ash to win matches. I would say it was up to 2009 where we had to rely on an Ash eid innings to win us ODI's. We also had him in the test team because we just didn't have another batsman that could hit multiple centuries. That was the state of our cricket before.

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You know, i wrote a few long posts on this in another thread. Dont like to run it agan. Having TI & Shak doesnt complete the team. Then we didnt have to depend on Ash for repectability against Zim test.

This is a very disturbing trend, that, when ever we have a better player emerging, we start comparing him and try to make the others redundant. Thinking that he alone is enough to win matches, damages the team. We need 11 players who has the ability to take the responsibility on occassions, someone will do more often than others, that's the situation in every team, that makes a team balanced.

Problem is, when you have a player who can make 25/30 consistanytly will have a high average to argue, but when responsibility of rescuing the team comes on his shoulder, demanding a big knock, he spoils trouser, bcoz he cant do more. Not that Ash can do it consistently, he has done it on occassions & his recent form inspires hope.Given the amount of mishandling he has undergone in JS era and still he is determined to be back in form, earns my respect. Very few can do that, like almost all his contemporaries have almost given up the game or hope of improving. Makes him an exceptionally determined character. This guy has the ability and he will be back, wheather we like it or not, matters less. But I have hope. I would love to change him with only a proven player or when the three (Mentioned Bellow) are set, then bring in 2 more promising new guys. you cant fill up the team with all promises & no performance, then we go back to the days of 2001-2002.

Currently I can see, TI, Shak, Mushy well set ..But.... Riyad, Nayeem, Naseer has promises only, needs to do it consitently against betterteams to make him redundant. Even after that we will have two more slots for genuine Batsmen capable of taking responsibility at times, if Shak takes an all rounders slot. That will make us a stronger team to face the bigger teams confidently. But Managing this change is tricky and shouldnt be done overnight.

... I want the team to win matches against bigger teams and save us from humiliations against smaller ones'. Failure of all the top order like Zim Test & looking at Ash to come to rescue, makes me feel thatwe aren't yet ready to leave him out. I'm afraid, we are not yet out of that scenario completely (Bold)
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You know, i wrote a few long posts on this in another thread. Dont like to run it agan. Having TI & Shak doesnt complete the team. Then we didnt have to depend on Ash for repectability against Zim test.

This is a very disturbing trend, that, when ever we have a better player emerging, we start comparing him and try to make the others redundant. Thinking that he alone is enough to win matches, damages the team. We need 11 players who has the ability to take the responsibility on occassions, someone will do more often than others, that's the situation in every team, that makes a team balanced.

Problem is, when you have a player who can make 25/30 consistanytly will have a high average to argue, but when responsibility of rescuing the team comes on his shoulder, demanding a big knock, he spoils trouser, bcoz he cant do more. Not that Ash can do it consistently, he has done it on occassions & his recent form inspires hope.Given the amount of mishandling he has undergone in JS era and still he is determined to be back in form, earns my respect. Very few can do that, like almost all his contemporaries have almost given up the game or hope of improving. Makes him an exceptionally determined character. This guy has the ability and he will be back, wheather we like it or not, matters less. But I have hope. I would love to change him with only a proven player or when the three (Mentioned Bellow) are set, then bring in 2 more promising new guys. you cant fill up the team with all promises & no performance, then we go back to the days of 2001-2002.

Currently I can see, TI, Shak, Mushy well set ..But.... Riyad, Nayeem, Naseer has promises only, needs to do it consitently against betterteams to make him redundant. Even after that we will have two more slots for genuine Batsmen capable of taking responsibility at times, if Shak takes an all rounders slot. That will make us a stronger team to face the bigger teams confidently. But Managing this change is tricky and shouldnt be done overnight.

... I want the team to win matches against bigger teams and save us from humiliations against smaller ones'. Failure of all the top order like Zim Test & looking at Ash to come to rescue, makes me feel thatwe aren't yet ready to leave him out. I'm afraid, we are not yet out of that scenario completely (Bold)
That's really the main problem of not only the fans but also our selectors. We just feel that we still need Ash. It really is a defensive mindset. What was his performance like against the WI in the 2 tests? He had done virtually nothing in those tests and yet we won. Then when Ash decided to take a break in the England series, did we end up getting out for 100? No. As a matter of fact we scored 260 in 1 game and had it not been for bad officiating, we would have won. And the other 2 matches we ended up scoring above 200. Then in the 2 test matches against England, we ended up scoring 296, 331, 419, and 285. And then the NZ series, we ended up winning without Ash. And the WC win against England. It's not like we're getting 50 or 60 all out without Ash. So I don't understand what type of impact he's making to the team. Problem is though, the selectors are just too scared to leave out Ash for a long period of time because they just feel we need him which is not the case.

My point is that it's just no point of trying to make it work with a repeated failure such as Ash. Same goes for Junaid, Aftab, and Rokibul as well. You gotta keep on trying different combinations and keep chopping and changing away so that you finally get a lineup that's right. Does risks come with it? Sure it does. But risks is what we have to take. No point of just throwing in a 23 avg batsman in the top order and expect miracles.
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That's really the main problem of not only the fans but also our selectors. We just feel that we still need Ash. It really is a defensive mindset. What was his performance like against the WI in the 2 tests? He had done virtually nothing in those tests and yet we won. Then when Ash decided to take a break in the England series, did we end up getting out for 100? No. As a matter of fact we scored 260 in 1 game and had it not been for bad officiating, we would have won. And the other 2 matches we ended up scoring above 200. Then in the 2 test matches against England, we ended up scoring 296, 331, 419, and 285. And then the NZ series, we ended up winning without Ash. And the WC win against England. It's not like we're getting 50 or 60 all out without Ash. So I don't understand what type of impact he's making to the team. Problem is though, the selectors are just too scared to leave out Ash for a long period of time because they just feel we need him which is not the case.

My point is that it's just no point of trying to make it work with a repeated failure such as Ash. Same goes for Junaid, Aftab, and Rokibul as well. You gotta keep on trying different combinations and keep chopping and changing away so that you finally get a lineup that's right. Does risks come with it? Sure it does. But risks is what we have to take. No point of just throwing in a 23 avg batsman in the top order and expect miracles.
A 23 average player has done miracles, thats the reason of expectation. Last four years he played under trimendous pressure, due to lots of factors... A 25 player that you are advocating hasn't done anything like that in 50+ matches. More over he isnt in form at the moment.

Any way, you are saying as if, if Ash is in the team, he should take the responsibility of the failure of all the rest 10.... if Ash couldnt what happened to others? Except Shak, who else has played cobnsistantly in every series? If that's your logic, then we have to drop TI because we white washed NZ without him, Mash is Bulshit because we white washed NZ and WI both without him, please dont come up with such funny logic....

I want to look at the last series ... and the ongoing practce matches...and select the best 11 in form... that's it... if you have any personal issue with Ash, i'm not going to discuss those here and listen to funny logics.... as if he has to bat for all 11 if he is in the team? The players you recommend to replace Ash are worse at the moment...

Now you might say, we scored 58 / 78 in WC because of Ashraful, we played poor against Aus because of Ashraful, we were white washed in Zim because of Ashraful... go on... that won't make any cricketing sense to me.
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That's really the main problem of not only the fans but also our selectors. We just feel that we still need Ash. It really is a defensive mindset. What was his performance like against the WI in the 2 tests? He had done virtually nothing in those tests and yet we won. Then when Ash decided to take a break in the England series, did we end up getting out for 100? No. As a matter of fact we scored 260 in 1 game and had it not been for bad officiating, we would have won. And the other 2 matches we ended up scoring above 200. Then in the 2 test matches against England, we ended up scoring 296, 331, 419, and 285. And then the NZ series, we ended up winning without Ash. And the WC win against England. It's not like we're getting 50 or 60 all out without Ash. So I don't understand what type of impact he's making to the team. Problem is though, the selectors are just too scared to leave out Ash for a long period of time because they just feel we need him which is not the case.
Look this kind of statements (Bold) are very familiar on BC and that's why I had to come up with those, considering you one of the Ash hating gang member. it has gone to gang level, because people don't mind even abusing with bad languages, beyond the level of decency. People become so personal that i wonder, have I made Ash like that? Unless someone is ready to waste a lot of time here, he can't go back with honour. Even I have heard people having no logic just will tell you...oh is Ash paying you...bla bla.. I decided to give some time, because I believe departure of JS will have a positive impact on his game. Anyway, misunderstanding happens on net .... Sorry if you are hurt ... no worries. I was also running against time at that point to send and catch evening prayer ...

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If I consider Ash will remain as he was: if you take a guy who will generally make an average score of 26 and Ash will add an averge score of 23... how much do you lose? 3 runs on average? and that guy will fail 2 days and Ash will fail 6 days or more as per his trend. But still both these guys are gamble since adding 23/26 or not adding isnt making much impact, as you said, we are still able to win and put reasonable scores without him. But we aren't winning as much we expected. Now you will get one sudden big innings from Ash to make up for his 6/more off days, and that can win you the match, where as that average guy will only add 25-35 to make up for his average. And these guys mostly boost average for losing causes, they collapse in pressure situation. While Ash is opposite, in a sense, most of his big inningses has come in pressure situation and against big opponents.

Now the above scenario is considering, Ash's performance as it was in last 4 years. There is good reason for me to think that Ash is going to bea lot different than last 4 years. Because:

1. JS is not there, that's a relief for him and he is getting a lots of support from the new Coach, like a few other guys who were subdued during JS.
2. He has shown immediate result of such change and its showing in his game since Zim series and continuing in these practice matches. Dropping him at this point would mean killing his career unfairly.
3. If he can really continue the way he is doing, this could be a blessing for our team. I personally lost hope on him during JS Era, but I wanted to see, if he has that tenacity to sustain it and wait for more favourable situation. And he did prove he can,it makes me believe that he can be even better than his prime, if he is given the opportunity.
4. More over, if you remove a player who is enthusiastic to play and has shown form in last series, & upbeat in practice matches, that will also discourage many upcoming players, that probably performance/form has no impact for selecting, they will rathar go with Ilish mach to selectors house than showing performance for getting selected.

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My point is that it's just no point of trying to make it work with a repeated failure such as Ash. Same goes for Junaid, Aftab, and Rokibul as well. You gotta keep on trying different combinations and keep chopping and changing away so that you finally get a lineup that's right. Does risks come with it? Sure it does. But risks is what we have to take. No point of just throwing in a 23 avg batsman in the top order and expect miracles.

I really am tired of talking about Ash ... I know he will be in this series for sure, due to his current form, we like it or not. I wanted to see how he performs and wanted to talk after that. I will never mind if Ash is dropped and someone more capable takes his place. But believe me, in last 4 years we got no new player, just wasted time with JS core group.

Now Naeem looks changed with the top batting order position, who was always ignored for Rok/Junaid, inspite of repeated faulures. New comer Naseer is also impressive so far, but he also needs time to settle. You never can guarantee their ability until you allow sufficient time to them to adjust. You can do this exercise with 1/2 players in the team at a time, not with the entire team. Except TI and Shak & to some extent Mushy everyone is still like that. So I don;t like to ignore an inform and confident Ash after JS era. We lose nothing seeing him, if he fails this time, it doesnt affect much and if he plays well, it makes huge difference.

SO, for me, this isn't the time to remove Ash for Junaid/Rok/Hom etc, others are there anyway. Junaid is not in form, but inform junaid could be a back up. Appreciate your energy to continue this discussion, but Lets Talk about Ash after this series.

Sorry once again, i read you wrong.
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... I want the team to win matches against bigger teams and save us from humiliations against smaller ones'. Failure of all the top order like Zim Test & looking at Ash to come to rescue, makes me feel thatwe aren't yet ready to leave him out. I'm afraid, we are not yet out of that scenario completely (Bold)
The question is, is he the answer? If he can be consistent, I have no issues. But, leopards don't change their spots. If he becomes a new man after 169 ODI's, I'll highly welcome it. But, I am not going to hold my breath for that. I would rather look for the answer elsewhere, unless he shows extraordinary form.
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Failure of all the top order like Zim Test & looking at Ash to come to rescue, makes me feel thatwe aren't yet ready to leave him out. I'm afraid, we are not yet out of that scenario completely (Bold)
bhai re bhai you make it sound as if Ashraful is some great rescuer. How often in the recent times he did the rescue and how many times in the recent times he was part of the top order failure? ODI or Test?

Why is it that when Ashraful does some 'rescuing' against Zim it turns out to be a big deal but while the other players score a little to bring up their average against Zim, it works against them. I'm talking about this part of your post.

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All these discussions wouldn't happen if we had a better performer than him. Some people expected Rokibul/Junaid will perform better if given time... They got over 4 years and around 50 matches, they have managed to get an average 2/3 betterr than Ash, due to Ned / Zim etc matches, but never stood out with an innings when it mattered for the victory of the team, which Ash clearly did in a few occasions. So, that keeps him ahead of the people he is in competition.
So when other players score a little to bring up their average it works against them because they did it against Zim but when Ashraful scores a little against Zim it turns out to be a glorious 'rescue act'.

Just for the record Ashraful did play the rescue act in that Zim test but it wasn't as glorious as you are making it out to be. And nor does this one 'recuse act' necessarily mean plenty more rescue act to come from him not when you consider the past.
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Before we had to depend on Ash to win matches. I would say it was up to 2009 where we had to rely on an Ash eid innings to win us ODI's. We also had him in the test team because we just didn't have another batsman that could hit multiple centuries. That was the state of our cricket before.

Then 2010 hit and things have definitely changed. We found out that Shakib could win us matches more consistently then Ash could, actually Shakib started his heroics in 2009 as well and then Tamim showed that he can score multiple test centuries and he scores test centuries at a much quicker rate then Ash. So now Ash isn't the main guy relied upon to win us ODI's and score test centuries.

So now there lies another problem. A solid #3 and #4 in our batting order and that unfortunately has not been solved yet. So we need consistent batsmen who can bat there. So Ash could be a regular in the team by just being consistent and he doesn't have to shoulder the responsibility of winning matches. But the question is has he even been consistent? No. He's been far from it. Even Rock and Junaid had a better average and SR in 2010 and 2011. And another thing to note is that Ash didn't even win us match in these 2 years. So that's what makes his average even worse. The blame goes on the team management for not giving an extended run to Naeem and Mushy in the top order when Junaid and Rokibul were struggling. If we had tried that in 2010, we could have solved the #3 and #4 problem and we wouldn't even be discussing Ash being back.

So I'll say this again. He's not depended on to win us ODI's, he's not depended on to win us matches, he's not depended on being consistent, so the question is what does Ash have to offer for our team? He really doesn't have much to offer for our cricket anymore. Would I have wanted Ash to become a great player? Of course. Everyone in Bangladesh would. Unfortunately he hasn't lived up to his talent and it's time to move on. And it's not only Ash that's a victim of underachieving. Kambli and Jamie How are a few good examples. You also see in other sports, players under achieving. There's no point of sobbing over it. Bangladesh cricket has to move on without Ash and we need to go on and try other talents.
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I'm so sick of hearing this occassionally crap. When was the last time Sir. Ashraful played such exceptional knock to get us a win?

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sorry to say but "kdpp"
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consistent and ash doesn't go together anymore..we should give up on him and look for a far worse talented player then ash but a consistent player
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we all need rehabilitation, too addicted to Ash.
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I hope for the sake of BD cricket this guy Ashraful is kicked out of the team as soon as possible. He wasn't in the squad for our best series victory ever last year and we won 4-0, he also wasn't in the England wc game so it's a myth that Ashraful is needed for us to win, he hasn't won us a single match in many years. Last year in Zimbabwe series we lost the 1st odi and Ashraful was playing but then he was dropped and we won all the other odi. I hope he is replaced as soon as possible.
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I hope for the sake of BD cricket this guy Ashraful is kicked out of the team as soon as possible. He wasn't in the squad for our best series victory ever last year and we won 4-0, he also wasn't in the England wc game so it's a myth that Ashraful is needed for us to win, he hasn't won us a single match in many years. Last year in Zimbabwe series we lost the 1st odi and Ashraful was playing but then he was dropped and we won all the other odi. I hope he is replaced as soon as possible.
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There's an (American) expression, "stick that in your pipe and smoke it" which is used triumphantly after rebutting another's point/argument/delusion and indicating to them that they should consider their ideas more deeply.
e.g. A: Ash was the highest run scorer in the one-off test against Zimbabwe and is our classiest batsman. He should definitely be in the playing XI against the Windies.
B: Yes, but he has averaged a massive 7 in ODIs in 2011, so you can stuff that in your pipe and smoke it.

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Unfortunately, even after our selectors, Board, etc have been shown Ashraful's repeated failings and told to 'stick it in their pipe and smoke it', all that seems to be left after the smoke clears is ash.
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Unfortunately, even after our selectors, Board, etc have been shown Ashraful's repeated failings and told to 'stick it in their pipe and smoke it', all that seems to be left after the smoke clears is ash.
And its toxic for your lungs.
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I think all the idiot selectors are in love with Ashraful, they seem to think he is bradman, lara and tendulkar all in one. Even the idiot media is always singing praise of Ashraful.
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If I was the selector, he would not be in the team. I used to be intrigued with his talent and potential, but after 169 ODI matches, the shine is off. To convince me, he has to be consistent and should eschew stupid shots completely.
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If I was the selector, he would not be in the team. I used to be intrigued with his talent and potential, but after 169 ODI matches, the shine is off. To convince me, he has to be consistent and should eschew stupid shots completely.
169 odi's, that's more than what many great players have played. And after playing so many matches he claims he needs support and was treated unfairly and always comes up with more excuses. I hope WI series is the last we see of him.
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i don't want him in the team unles he can score 50+ runs in EVERY match of the following series and stops runninh his partners out!
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