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Old March 19, 2017, 05:21 AM
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Default Someone needs to address this!

While we are rubber-duckying about in the tub about this win, someone has to raise these issues with the team :
- We let taileneders score about 100 runs
- We lost 6 wickets trying to make 191
- Tamim was aggressive and scored well, why didn't his team-mates take notice and try the same ? They tried to be defensive and got ud into a real pickle
- Mosad had to teach Mushy how to relieve pressure! Otherwise, we would have drawn the match lol
- Match should not have gone to the last session at all
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Old March 19, 2017, 05:32 AM
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The same can be said about every match in Bangladesh. I am sure haturi will focus on them

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Old March 19, 2017, 05:35 AM
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the only thing that needs to be addressed is Mushfik's fate as captain..no this win does not save him
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Some of the criticism is a bit harsh and reflects hindsight bias. Scoring close to 200 runs within two sessions on a 5th day pitch in the den of one of the world's best spin bowlers is not something to be dismissed lightly. It was a hard fought, well earned victory.

In general though, yes of course we still have a long way to go to develop our temperament and for our bowlers to become more incisive. We need to find a good fast bowling partner for Mustafizur. It remains to be seen if Roy can be a long-term solution.
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Old March 20, 2017, 04:40 AM
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Some of the criticism is a bit harsh and reflects hindsight bias. Scoring close to 200 runs within two sessions on a 5th day pitch in the den of one of the world's best spin bowlers is not something to be dismissed lightly. It was a hard fought, well earned victory.
It was not a convincing win at all. We lost too many wickets trying to be ultra-defensive and playing like Raquibul, which was absolutely not necessary when you only require 50 runs. A hit here and there would have produced singles and we would have been sailing smoothly. But, no, batsmen just stood there and did thuk-thuk and we were grinding for no sensible reason.
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Old March 20, 2017, 05:20 AM
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It was not a convincing win at all. We lost too many wickets trying to be ultra-defensive and playing like Raquibul, which was absolutely not necessary when you only require 50 runs. A hit here and there would have produced singles and we would have been sailing smoothly. But, no, batsmen just stood there and did thuk-thuk and we were grinding for no sensible reason.
And if they hit out, you would have said, 'oh why did they go for shots, had so many overs to bat, clueless batting'
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Old March 20, 2017, 05:20 AM
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It was not a convincing win at all. We lost too many wickets trying to be ultra-defensive and playing like Raquibul, which was absolutely not necessary when you only require 50 runs. A hit here and there would have produced singles and we would have been sailing smoothly. But, no, batsmen just stood there and did thuk-thuk and we were grinding for no sensible reason.
you are forgetting in such situation Australia, Pakistan even India given up chasing a total in fifth day against Herat and co. bowling strength, team like those were strangled down and lost the match even in smaller target in Srilanka against Srilanka. So we played very well and chased like a real strong side, yes there were little hiccup but game was all over controlled by our team.
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It was not a convincing win at all. We lost too many wickets trying to be ultra-defensive and playing like Raquibul, which was absolutely not necessary when you only require 50 runs. A hit here and there would have produced singles and we would have been sailing smoothly. But, no, batsmen just stood there and did thuk-thuk and we were grinding for no sensible reason.
Convincing is a matter of perspective here; SL in recent test matches had defended even lower scores. Winning by 4-5 wickets is really not so bad.

In any case, I mention hindsight bias because if Mushy or Shakib had gone for aggressive strokes and gotten out, as Tamim did in his innings, we would be crucifying them. In this forum, fan have been calling for years for the batsmen to be more cautious, to demonstrate 'Test batting'. (There is a discussion on this going on right now too!)
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Old March 20, 2017, 11:25 PM
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It was not a convincing win at all. We lost too many wickets trying to be ultra-defensive and playing like Raquibul, which was absolutely not necessary when you only require 50 runs. A hit here and there would have produced singles and we would have been sailing smoothly. But, no, batsmen just stood there and did thuk-thuk and we were grinding for no sensible reason.
Watched the last hour of Day 4, Aus vs Ind 3rd test. India's tail had just added 76 runs in 17 overs on a similar pitch before declaring. Aussies came in to bat trailing by 150 runs and lost 2 wickets for 23 runs in 7 overs. Last time I checked Aussies weren't minnows. When chasing any total on a day 5 pitch, the pressure is real.
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Old March 19, 2017, 06:17 AM
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While we are rubber-duckying about in the tub about this win, someone has to raise these issues with the team :
- We let taileneders score about 100 runs
- We lost 6 wickets trying to make 191
- Tamim was aggressive and scored well, why didn't his team-mates take notice and try the same ? They tried to be defensive and got ud into a real pickle
- Mosad had to teach Mushy how to relieve pressure! Otherwise, we would have drawn the match lol
- Match should not have gone to the last session at all
Tail enders scoring was worrying

Tamim played with a ball harder, easier to hit boundaries off of it, pitch started deteriorating soon after he got out

6 wickets with immense pressure were lost, but could have been 5 with Mosaddek getting out so late, probably should have been 5 down, 250ish is a good score on 4th innings for most teams in most places

Mushfiq had the pressure on the world on him he was the last experienced man, Mosaddek was more free

Match not gone in last session? Why not, since when did Sri Lanka turn into zimbabwe, Herath and Dilruwan are not easy to get away on 5th day pitch when they bowl defensive on the legs
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Tail enders scoring was worrying

Tamim played with a ball harder, easier to hit boundaries off of it, pitch started deteriorating soon after he got out

6 wickets with immense pressure were lost, but could have been 5 with Mosaddek getting out so late, probably should have been 5 down, 250ish is a good score on 4th innings for most teams in most places

Mushfiq had the pressure on the world on him he was the last experienced man, Mosaddek was more free

Match not gone in last session? Why not, since when did Sri Lanka turn into zimbabwe, Herath and Dilruwan are not easy to get away on 5th day pitch when they bowl defensive on the legs
Agree with this.

Finally a good cricketing analysis in the forum which nowadays feels like full of personal fights and survey polls.
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Mushfiq was clearly panicked when Shakib got out. Mosaddek had shown great character by batting positively just after coming to the crease, but Bangladeshi Batsmen still have to learn how to finish things off and not leaving things for others.
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We still suck at the end of the day and play like minnow. Sigh.
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We still suck at the end of the day and play like minnow. Sigh.
You can complain and whine all you want, but in a few days time you will be watching the game and also continue complaining even if we win.
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You missed the most important issue.
WE NEED PROPER TEST BATSMEN.
Sabbir, Soumya, Shakib are not test class. Shakib doesnt have the time and Soumya doesnt have the technique or temprment to be one. Savbir has a very little chance if he works hard on his defense and temperment.
This is why mini is so important for us. Hopefully Shanto and Mosa will live upto their potential.
We need to groom Saif and Afif as genuine test batsmen as well.
What happened to sadman Islam Anik and Mysukur Rahman?
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What's a proper test batsman? Does someone like Steve Smith or Glenn Maxwell qualify? How about Warner or even de Villiars? Or Ben Stokes?

What is more important? Orthodox technique or scoring runs? Take a look around, mate. The definition of test batsmanship has changed. It doesn't matter if you play reverse sweep as the 'go-to' shot instead of cover drives, if you're making runs.

Just a reminder, Shakib is the only player in Bangladesh history to score 3000> runs at 40+ average. Soumya is still a work in progress, but he has scored runs in both NZ and SL, arguably the toughest away destinations these days. Same goes for Sabbir, who I believe was the fulcrum in the second innings.

I completely agree about the need to groom the likes of Shanto. But lets not panic and rush the youngsters. We have enough firing power for the moment.
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What's a proper test batsman? Does someone like Steve Smith or Glenn Maxwell qualify? How about Warner or even de Villiars? Or Ben Stokes?

What is more important? Orthodox technique or scoring runs? Take a look around, mate. The definition of test batsmanship has changed. It doesn't matter if you play reverse sweep as the 'go-to' shot instead of cover drives, if you're making runs.

Just a reminder, Shakib is the only player in Bangladesh history to score 3000> runs at 40+ average. Soumya is still a work in progress, but he has scored runs in both NZ and SL, arguably the toughest away destinations these days. Same goes for Sabbir, who I believe was the fulcrum in the second innings.

I completely agree about the need to groom the likes of Shanto. But lets not panic and rush the youngsters. We have enough firing power for the moment.
exactly my thought this bating line up is the finest what we have got and that's the reason we got the result.
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What's a proper test batsman? Does someone like Steve Smith or Glenn Maxwell qualify? How about Warner or even de Villiars? Or Ben Stokes?

What is more important? Orthodox technique or scoring runs? Take a look around, mate. The definition of test batsmanship has changed. It doesn't matter if you play reverse sweep as the 'go-to' shot instead of cover drives, if you're making runs.

Just a reminder, Shakib is the only player in Bangladesh history to score 3000> runs at 40+ average. Soumya is still a work in progress, but he has scored runs in both NZ and SL, arguably the toughest away destinations these days. Same goes for Sabbir, who I believe was the fulcrum in the second innings.

I completely agree about the need to groom the likes of Shanto. But lets not panic and rush the youngsters. We have enough firing power for the moment.
This is just a disgraceful comment

You must not have followed this forum recently

Get out of here with your sound logic, on here we make random baseless comments and pretend it's facts.
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What's a proper test batsman? Does someone like Steve Smith or Glenn Maxwell qualify? How about Warner or even de Villiars? Or Ben Stokes?

What is more important? Orthodox technique or scoring runs? Take a look around, mate. The definition of test batsmanship has changed. It doesn't matter if you play reverse sweep as the 'go-to' shot instead of cover drives, if you're making runs.

Just a reminder, Shakib is the only player in Bangladesh history to score 3000> runs at 40+ average. Soumya is still a work in progress, but he has scored runs in both NZ and SL, arguably the toughest away destinations these days. Same goes for Sabbir, who I believe was the fulcrum in the second innings.

I completely agree about the need to groom the likes of Shanto. But lets not panic and rush the youngsters. We have enough firing power for the moment.
Its not about cover drives and sweep shots. a test batsman should be able to handle a good spell of bowling, grind it out and also attack when opportunity arrives. A test batsman puts his head down and play long innings everytime he gets set. A test batsman do not throw wicket away. You have to earn their wicket.
I am not saying we need 8 proper test bat. We need 1 or 2 dashers like shakib and sabbir to counter attack but we have too many atm. Thats why I said we need more proper test bat to prosper in this format.
We have enough flashy players, what we need is grinders like Mushy.
We could draw minimum 3 tests this year but this is the reason we lost all of them
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Its not about cover drives and sweep shots. a test batsman should be able to handle a good spell of bowling, grind it out and also attack when opportunity arrives. A test batsman puts his head down and play long innings everytime he gets set. A test batsman do not throw wicket away. You have to earn their wicket.
I am not saying we need 8 proper test bat. We need 1 or 2 dashers like shakib and sabbir to counter attack but we have too many atm. Thats why I said we need more proper test bat to prosper in this format.
We have enough flashy players, what we need is grinders like Mushy.
We could draw minimum 3 tests this year but this is the reason we lost all of them
Name a test team that has more grinders than flashy players apart from India
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Name a test team that has more grinders than flashy players apart from India
The entire Pakistani test line-up are a bunch of boring mega-grinders. Heck even their ODI line-up are a bunch of grinders, the one flashy player they had got himself suspended (potentially even banned).
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Name a test team that has more grinders than flashy players apart from India
Pakistan- Azhar, Misbah, Yunus, Asad.
England: cook, hasib, baistow, ballance, ducket
SA- faf, Elgar, Duminy. Even AB change his game totally when he plays test. You wont see him attacking unless SA is in a really comfortable position.
You already talked about India. So apart from Australia all other top test largely depend on grinders in tests. Even australians change their game in tests. Look at the Maxwell century against India in this test. They batted out the 5th day to draw the test match which we couldnt.
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Its not about cover drives and sweep shots. a test batsman should be able to handle a good spell of bowling, grind it out and also attack when opportunity arrives. A test batsman puts his head down and play long innings everytime he gets set. A test batsman do not throw wicket away. You have to earn their wicket.
I am not saying we need 8 proper test bat. We need 1 or 2 dashers like shakib and sabbir to counter attack but we have too many atm. Thats why I said we need more proper test bat to prosper in this format.
We have enough flashy players, what we need is grinders like Mushy.
We could draw minimum 3 tests this year but this is the reason we lost all of them
Quite right. Grinding a bowling to dust is the only way to bat long in testing conditions. For a good example, see Shakibs 200 against NZ or his hundred against SL.
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Quite right. Grinding a bowling to dust is the only way to bat long in testing conditions. For a good example, see Shakibs 200 against NZ or his hundred against SL.
Shakib will only score big if he gets 2/3 lives. Saying he is a proper test batsman is an insult to the game IMHO.
We have enough Shakibs, we need Mushys now
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