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Old March 19, 2017, 05:21 AM
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Default Someone needs to address this!

While we are rubber-duckying about in the tub about this win, someone has to raise these issues with the team :
- We let taileneders score about 100 runs
- We lost 6 wickets trying to make 191
- Tamim was aggressive and scored well, why didn't his team-mates take notice and try the same ? They tried to be defensive and got ud into a real pickle
- Mosad had to teach Mushy how to relieve pressure! Otherwise, we would have drawn the match lol
- Match should not have gone to the last session at all
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Old March 19, 2017, 05:32 AM
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The same can be said about every match in Bangladesh. I am sure haturi will focus on them

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Old March 19, 2017, 05:35 AM
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the only thing that needs to be addressed is Mushfik's fate as captain..no this win does not save him
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Old March 19, 2017, 06:08 AM
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Some of the criticism is a bit harsh and reflects hindsight bias. Scoring close to 200 runs within two sessions on a 5th day pitch in the den of one of the world's best spin bowlers is not something to be dismissed lightly. It was a hard fought, well earned victory.

In general though, yes of course we still have a long way to go to develop our temperament and for our bowlers to become more incisive. We need to find a good fast bowling partner for Mustafizur. It remains to be seen if Roy can be a long-term solution.
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Old March 19, 2017, 06:17 AM
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While we are rubber-duckying about in the tub about this win, someone has to raise these issues with the team :
- We let taileneders score about 100 runs
- We lost 6 wickets trying to make 191
- Tamim was aggressive and scored well, why didn't his team-mates take notice and try the same ? They tried to be defensive and got ud into a real pickle
- Mosad had to teach Mushy how to relieve pressure! Otherwise, we would have drawn the match lol
- Match should not have gone to the last session at all
Tail enders scoring was worrying

Tamim played with a ball harder, easier to hit boundaries off of it, pitch started deteriorating soon after he got out

6 wickets with immense pressure were lost, but could have been 5 with Mosaddek getting out so late, probably should have been 5 down, 250ish is a good score on 4th innings for most teams in most places

Mushfiq had the pressure on the world on him he was the last experienced man, Mosaddek was more free

Match not gone in last session? Why not, since when did Sri Lanka turn into zimbabwe, Herath and Dilruwan are not easy to get away on 5th day pitch when they bowl defensive on the legs
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Old March 19, 2017, 07:11 AM
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Mushfiq was clearly panicked when Shakib got out. Mosaddek had shown great character by batting positively just after coming to the crease, but Bangladeshi Batsmen still have to learn how to finish things off and not leaving things for others.
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Old March 19, 2017, 07:13 AM
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Tail enders scoring was worrying

Tamim played with a ball harder, easier to hit boundaries off of it, pitch started deteriorating soon after he got out

6 wickets with immense pressure were lost, but could have been 5 with Mosaddek getting out so late, probably should have been 5 down, 250ish is a good score on 4th innings for most teams in most places

Mushfiq had the pressure on the world on him he was the last experienced man, Mosaddek was more free

Match not gone in last session? Why not, since when did Sri Lanka turn into zimbabwe, Herath and Dilruwan are not easy to get away on 5th day pitch when they bowl defensive on the legs
Agree with this.

Finally a good cricketing analysis in the forum which nowadays feels like full of personal fights and survey polls.
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Old March 19, 2017, 09:27 AM
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We still suck at the end of the day and play like minnow. Sigh.
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You missed the most important issue.
WE NEED PROPER TEST BATSMEN.
Sabbir, Soumya, Shakib are not test class. Shakib doesnt have the time and Soumya doesnt have the technique or temprment to be one. Savbir has a very little chance if he works hard on his defense and temperment.
This is why mini is so important for us. Hopefully Shanto and Mosa will live upto their potential.
We need to groom Saif and Afif as genuine test batsmen as well.
What happened to sadman Islam Anik and Mysukur Rahman?
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Old March 19, 2017, 02:25 PM
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What's a proper test batsman? Does someone like Steve Smith or Glenn Maxwell qualify? How about Warner or even de Villiars? Or Ben Stokes?

What is more important? Orthodox technique or scoring runs? Take a look around, mate. The definition of test batsmanship has changed. It doesn't matter if you play reverse sweep as the 'go-to' shot instead of cover drives, if you're making runs.

Just a reminder, Shakib is the only player in Bangladesh history to score 3000> runs at 40+ average. Soumya is still a work in progress, but he has scored runs in both NZ and SL, arguably the toughest away destinations these days. Same goes for Sabbir, who I believe was the fulcrum in the second innings.

I completely agree about the need to groom the likes of Shanto. But lets not panic and rush the youngsters. We have enough firing power for the moment.
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What's a proper test batsman? Does someone like Steve Smith or Glenn Maxwell qualify? How about Warner or even de Villiars? Or Ben Stokes?

What is more important? Orthodox technique or scoring runs? Take a look around, mate. The definition of test batsmanship has changed. It doesn't matter if you play reverse sweep as the 'go-to' shot instead of cover drives, if you're making runs.

Just a reminder, Shakib is the only player in Bangladesh history to score 3000> runs at 40+ average. Soumya is still a work in progress, but he has scored runs in both NZ and SL, arguably the toughest away destinations these days. Same goes for Sabbir, who I believe was the fulcrum in the second innings.

I completely agree about the need to groom the likes of Shanto. But lets not panic and rush the youngsters. We have enough firing power for the moment.
exactly my thought this bating line up is the finest what we have got and that's the reason we got the result.
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Old March 19, 2017, 03:56 PM
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We still suck at the end of the day and play like minnow. Sigh.
You can complain and whine all you want, but in a few days time you will be watching the game and also continue complaining even if we win.
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Old March 19, 2017, 04:39 PM
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What's a proper test batsman? Does someone like Steve Smith or Glenn Maxwell qualify? How about Warner or even de Villiars? Or Ben Stokes?

What is more important? Orthodox technique or scoring runs? Take a look around, mate. The definition of test batsmanship has changed. It doesn't matter if you play reverse sweep as the 'go-to' shot instead of cover drives, if you're making runs.

Just a reminder, Shakib is the only player in Bangladesh history to score 3000> runs at 40+ average. Soumya is still a work in progress, but he has scored runs in both NZ and SL, arguably the toughest away destinations these days. Same goes for Sabbir, who I believe was the fulcrum in the second innings.

I completely agree about the need to groom the likes of Shanto. But lets not panic and rush the youngsters. We have enough firing power for the moment.
This is just a disgraceful comment

You must not have followed this forum recently

Get out of here with your sound logic, on here we make random baseless comments and pretend it's facts.
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What's a proper test batsman? Does someone like Steve Smith or Glenn Maxwell qualify? How about Warner or even de Villiars? Or Ben Stokes?

What is more important? Orthodox technique or scoring runs? Take a look around, mate. The definition of test batsmanship has changed. It doesn't matter if you play reverse sweep as the 'go-to' shot instead of cover drives, if you're making runs.

Just a reminder, Shakib is the only player in Bangladesh history to score 3000> runs at 40+ average. Soumya is still a work in progress, but he has scored runs in both NZ and SL, arguably the toughest away destinations these days. Same goes for Sabbir, who I believe was the fulcrum in the second innings.

I completely agree about the need to groom the likes of Shanto. But lets not panic and rush the youngsters. We have enough firing power for the moment.
Its not about cover drives and sweep shots. a test batsman should be able to handle a good spell of bowling, grind it out and also attack when opportunity arrives. A test batsman puts his head down and play long innings everytime he gets set. A test batsman do not throw wicket away. You have to earn their wicket.
I am not saying we need 8 proper test bat. We need 1 or 2 dashers like shakib and sabbir to counter attack but we have too many atm. Thats why I said we need more proper test bat to prosper in this format.
We have enough flashy players, what we need is grinders like Mushy.
We could draw minimum 3 tests this year but this is the reason we lost all of them
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Old March 19, 2017, 07:37 PM
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Its not about cover drives and sweep shots. a test batsman should be able to handle a good spell of bowling, grind it out and also attack when opportunity arrives. A test batsman puts his head down and play long innings everytime he gets set. A test batsman do not throw wicket away. You have to earn their wicket.
I am not saying we need 8 proper test bat. We need 1 or 2 dashers like shakib and sabbir to counter attack but we have too many atm. Thats why I said we need more proper test bat to prosper in this format.
We have enough flashy players, what we need is grinders like Mushy.
We could draw minimum 3 tests this year but this is the reason we lost all of them
Name a test team that has more grinders than flashy players apart from India
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This is how I see it, if you keep it simple that is, in order to chase a target of 200 runs on day 5, surviving alone or digging a hole in the crease will not let you win the match, no way in a thousand years. It is about scoring runs, the reason you are saying Shabbir is too aggressive or flash is because he is trying to exactly his job, that is to score runs.

The reason I keep saying he is fast becoming our main batsman is the simple fact that he counter -attacks the opposition. I don't know if it is youth or just stupidity yet, but he does have class though. The fact that he goes out there and goes after the opposition is so freaking vital for us, it can't be summed up in words. Doesn't matter if it is T20, ODI or Tests, he demoralizes the opposition, every team we played in the recent past knows if Shabbir is there he can win matches by himself, if he gets out they increase their chance of winning. We saw that more from NZ tour, whenever Shabbir was in the crease BD stood a chance, when he got out it was like you could switch the tv off. It is not only the fact that he scores runs quickly, there are just many other subtle factors that are not in your face. He has that aura about his batting. That's why I kept saying in that tour that it is not good to depend on Shabbir too much as well, we need other batsman to step up, but by bringing him up the order Haturu has just created a master stroke. He recognizes the very thing I recognized, that's why we have impact players like Soumya, Shabbir even Mosaddek dominating all the sides now, cause on their day they are match winners. In the coming days we will get an influx of them, for example Saifuddin can bowl 80-85 mph and hit big, we badly need someone at number 9 once Mash retires.

I am not here to just talk about their impact, it is all fine when they are the crease but it doesn't help us if they get out. What we need to talk about really is how do we lengthen their stay in the crease, not change players. Shabbir hasn't scored a century yet at the international level, gets out too many times between 40-60. How can we really make sure he continues after getting a start, that is what the coaching should focus on now, and someone like Tamim should coach these guys as well, how to really build an innings. Shabbir also gets out playing too many sweep shots, he keeps missing line of the ball and is off balance when he is playing that very shot, so he should either cut that out completely or perfect it.

Players like Soumya and Shabbir are like gold for us. They are here to stay.
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Its not about cover drives and sweep shots. a test batsman should be able to handle a good spell of bowling, grind it out and also attack when opportunity arrives. A test batsman puts his head down and play long innings everytime he gets set. A test batsman do not throw wicket away. You have to earn their wicket.
I am not saying we need 8 proper test bat. We need 1 or 2 dashers like shakib and sabbir to counter attack but we have too many atm. Thats why I said we need more proper test bat to prosper in this format.
We have enough flashy players, what we need is grinders like Mushy.
We could draw minimum 3 tests this year but this is the reason we lost all of them
Quite right. Grinding a bowling to dust is the only way to bat long in testing conditions. For a good example, see Shakibs 200 against NZ or his hundred against SL.
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Name a test team that has more grinders than flashy players apart from India
The entire Pakistani test line-up are a bunch of boring mega-grinders. Heck even their ODI line-up are a bunch of grinders, the one flashy player they had got himself suspended (potentially even banned).
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Inability to finish off tail, losing wickets in pairs, losing wickets to rash shots-all problems BD need to solve. Sometimes no matter how much the coaches work on these issues, they just cant do it in the middle.

For now we should savor the win, because believe me-not too many teams in World cricket would have been able to pull that off. Tamim made it look so easy, but the way Herath and Dilruwan were bowling-we ve done very well.
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We are few generation behind india and pakistan in test arena. This bunch of players are the real first test generation for our country fo all kind of success so far we got., there will be more coming through the generations and the gap between pakistan india in test will be slimmer.
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Some of the criticism is a bit harsh and reflects hindsight bias. Scoring close to 200 runs within two sessions on a 5th day pitch in the den of one of the world's best spin bowlers is not something to be dismissed lightly. It was a hard fought, well earned victory.
It was not a convincing win at all. We lost too many wickets trying to be ultra-defensive and playing like Raquibul, which was absolutely not necessary when you only require 50 runs. A hit here and there would have produced singles and we would have been sailing smoothly. But, no, batsmen just stood there and did thuk-thuk and we were grinding for no sensible reason.
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If sabbir/tamim were`nt out, we could of won by 7-6 wickets
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If sabbir/tamim were`nt out, we could of won by 7-6 wickets
If they weren't out we would have won by 8 wickets...
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