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Old March 20, 2017, 05:19 AM
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Name a test team that has more grinders than flashy players apart from India
Pakistan- Azhar, Misbah, Yunus, Asad.
England: cook, hasib, baistow, ballance, ducket
SA- faf, Elgar, Duminy. Even AB change his game totally when he plays test. You wont see him attacking unless SA is in a really comfortable position.
You already talked about India. So apart from Australia all other top test largely depend on grinders in tests. Even australians change their game in tests. Look at the Maxwell century against India in this test. They batted out the 5th day to draw the test match which we couldnt.
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Old March 20, 2017, 05:20 AM
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It was not a convincing win at all. We lost too many wickets trying to be ultra-defensive and playing like Raquibul, which was absolutely not necessary when you only require 50 runs. A hit here and there would have produced singles and we would have been sailing smoothly. But, no, batsmen just stood there and did thuk-thuk and we were grinding for no sensible reason.
And if they hit out, you would have said, 'oh why did they go for shots, had so many overs to bat, clueless batting'
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It was not a convincing win at all. We lost too many wickets trying to be ultra-defensive and playing like Raquibul, which was absolutely not necessary when you only require 50 runs. A hit here and there would have produced singles and we would have been sailing smoothly. But, no, batsmen just stood there and did thuk-thuk and we were grinding for no sensible reason.
you are forgetting in such situation Australia, Pakistan even India given up chasing a total in fifth day against Herat and co. bowling strength, team like those were strangled down and lost the match even in smaller target in Srilanka against Srilanka. So we played very well and chased like a real strong side, yes there were little hiccup but game was all over controlled by our team.
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Old March 20, 2017, 05:24 AM
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Quite right. Grinding a bowling to dust is the only way to bat long in testing conditions. For a good example, see Shakibs 200 against NZ or his hundred against SL.
Shakib will only score big if he gets 2/3 lives. Saying he is a proper test batsman is an insult to the game IMHO.
We have enough Shakibs, we need Mushys now
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Old March 20, 2017, 05:26 AM
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Pakistan- Azhar, Misbah, Yunus, Asad.
SA- faf, Elgar, Duminy. Even AB change his game totally when he plays test. You wont see him attacking unless SA is in a really comfortable position.
You already talked about India. So apart from Australia all other top test largely depend on grinders in tests. Even australians change their game in tests. Look at the Maxwell century against India in this test. They batted out the 5th day to draw the test match which we couldnt.
Pak - misbah and younis will be gone soon, I did forget about asad shafiq, I'll give you them

Sa- duminy, ab are stroke makers who provide chances, they are not grinders, although ab could be if he wanted

One innings don't define them as a player, look at maxwells career, they could defend it out because they're better, not because they have more 'grinders'

England - cook

NZ - Williamson, Taylor

Every team has couple of players who grind it out, most players these days are stroke makers
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Old March 20, 2017, 05:43 AM
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If you follow Maxwell's recent domestic outings, he has changed himself to a grinder to become a test player.
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Cook is the only grinder in England? Hahaha. Okay. I dont have enough deapth of knowledge to have a debate with you.
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If sabbir/tamim were`nt out, we could of won by 7-6 wickets
On the flip side, if that Sri Lankan dismal was given not out by the TV umpire they might have scored more runs and we might have lost the game
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It was not a convincing win at all. We lost too many wickets trying to be ultra-defensive and playing like Raquibul, which was absolutely not necessary when you only require 50 runs. A hit here and there would have produced singles and we would have been sailing smoothly. But, no, batsmen just stood there and did thuk-thuk and we were grinding for no sensible reason.
Convincing is a matter of perspective here; SL in recent test matches had defended even lower scores. Winning by 4-5 wickets is really not so bad.

In any case, I mention hindsight bias because if Mushy or Shakib had gone for aggressive strokes and gotten out, as Tamim did in his innings, we would be crucifying them. In this forum, fan have been calling for years for the batsmen to be more cautious, to demonstrate 'Test batting'. (There is a discussion on this going on right now too!)
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It was not a convincing win at all. We lost too many wickets trying to be ultra-defensive and playing like Raquibul, which was absolutely not necessary when you only require 50 runs. A hit here and there would have produced singles and we would have been sailing smoothly. But, no, batsmen just stood there and did thuk-thuk and we were grinding for no sensible reason.
Watched the last hour of Day 4, Aus vs Ind 3rd test. India's tail had just added 76 runs in 17 overs on a similar pitch before declaring. Aussies came in to bat trailing by 150 runs and lost 2 wickets for 23 runs in 7 overs. Last time I checked Aussies weren't minnows. When chasing any total on a day 5 pitch, the pressure is real.
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Cook is the only grinder in England? Hahaha. Okay. I dont have enough deapth of knowledge to have a debate with you.
Apart from hameed who has yet to establish himself in the team who else

Woakes who's more in for for his bowling

And I watch many every England match, so please tell me

Root
Moeen
Bairstow
Stokes
Butler

That's 3-7, tell me which one of those isn't a stroke maker, bairstow is probably the most grinding player, but even he looks to play his shots
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Apart from hameed who has yet to establish himself in the team who else

Woakes who's more in for for his bowling

And I watch many every England match, so please tell me

Root
Moeen
Bairstow
Stokes
Butler

That's 3-7, tell me which one of those isn't a stroke maker, bairstow is probably the most grinding player, but even he looks to play his shots
Now Butlers playing test. You surely watch a lot of England matches. Whatever you say is right. We should bring mohammed mithun and ziaur rahman to play flashy strokes in tests. That will win us sh!t load of matches surely. End of discussion
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