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Old May 17, 2018, 05:45 PM
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Default Top 5 Most Talented Cricketers of All Time?

Who do you think are the most talented ever to play the game? Let’s not mistake results for talent, I’m asking who was the most talented not who achieved the most.

1 Don Bradman
2 Keith Miller
3 Mike Procter
4 Garry Sobers
5 AB De Villiers/Wasim Akram

Tougher than I thought tbh, honourable mentions are viv Richards, Barry Richards, Warne, murali, Malcolm Marshall, kallis.

I’m sure there are plenty more, let the discussion begin, show us your top talents and reasons why.
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Old May 17, 2018, 06:23 PM
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I'm basing mine on players who I have seen played; not the dinosaurs from yesteryear.

So, I may have to categorize the players based on their respective disciplines...

Batsmen:
1. Carl Hooper- I have had the privilege to watch him play when I was a kid. Regional first-class games were always held at my home ground- which was also a regular home ground for our national team. The man made batting look easy, every time he enters the middle to bat. One of his favorite shots to play was the late-cut; he does have a very late cut.

2. Ramnaresh Sarwan- immense talent. Great hand-eye coordination. A cover drive to fall in love with.

3. Shivnarine Chanderpaul- speaking of hand-eye coordinate, Shiv is a beast when it comes to that. This guy can literally bat for days.

As a school kid, I would often hang around the player's pavilion area just to get a glimpse of these guys, and I did manage to get all of their autographs; that was way back in the early 2000s.

4. Brian Charles Lara- genius.

5. Kumar Sangakarra- with bat in hand, Sanga was a poet. Talent personified. A perfectionist.

Bowlers:
1. Wasim Akram- he can make the ball talk. Sweat on one side of the old ball resulted in a craft that became synonymous with his name: reverse swing.

2. Chaminda Vaas- line em up and deceive the right-handed batsmen with the one that straightens...a LBW bowler he is. Equally effective against the tough lefties.

3. Curtly Ambrose- tall, fast, accurate. Sir Curtly was always a joy to watch. He performed at both home and away. A bowler for every condition. Not to mention those cartwheeling stumps, and the obligatory send-off.

4. Glenn McGrath- once again, good line and length bowling is a skill that is simple in theory, but a tad difficult to execute.

5. Shaun Pollock- economical, beating the outside edge of lefties. He was insane against them. Dibbly-dobbly.

Wicket-keepers:
Obviously, there were some super-talented keepers in the past 25-30 years...So here goes:

1. MS Dhoni- leaving out all his batting heroics, he is a top level keeper. Fast with stumpings; a keen eye out for batsman's feet straying out of the crease.

2. Mark Boucher- SA's perennial gloveman.

3. Prasanna Jayawardene- underrated, but a stoic behind the stumps.

4. Adam Gilchrist- because he's Gilly

5. Andy Flower

Sanga makes this list easily.
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Old May 19, 2018, 08:41 AM
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I'm sure that others have their opinions of who their most talented players are...

Come on guys, chime in!
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Old May 19, 2018, 09:32 PM
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It's common most people confuse finished product to actual talent Most talented? Easy

Garfield sobers, used to party all night then come and destroy the opponent, whether it was with his explosive batting, or spin or swing

Lara

Murali

Carl hooper is a great shout, very lazy

Abd should have been on par with any batsman in history, bradman, Lara, Tendulkar ponting, he should have been there, he wasn't, in tests anyway

Gayle

Mahela, he was always meant to be more gifted than his peers in Sri Lanka
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Old May 19, 2018, 09:53 PM
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1. J. Kallis
2. Sobers
3. Botham
4. S. Pollock
5. Shakib/Imran Khan/Flintoff (he even had a boxing career)

Why these guys? Because some guys can bat, and some guys can bowl, but it takes serious TALENT to be able to do both on an international level. Each of these guys would get on most team based on their batting or bowling alone. That's talent.
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It's common most people confuse finished product to actual talent Most talented? Easy

Garfield sobers, used to party all night then come and destroy the opponent, whether it was with his explosive batting, or spin or swing

Lara

Murali

Carl hooper is a great shout, very lazy

Abd should have been on par with any batsman in history, bradman, Lara, Tendulkar ponting, he should have been there, he wasn't, in tests anyway

Gayle

Mahela, he was always meant to be more gifted than his peers in Sri Lanka

Keith miller and beefy did the same, an allrounder thing perhaps...

Also you mention Mahela, what are your thoughts on sanga?
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my top 5 would be,

Bradman
Warne
Sobbers
Sanga
Lara
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OK based on pure talent in my view top 5 players. I am only ranking the ones I saw play

1. Wasim
2. Waqar
3. Lara
4. Sachin
5. Gilly
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Keith miller and beefy did the same, an allrounder thing perhaps...

Also you mention Mahela, what are your thoughts on sanga?
They did, but didn't have the talent of sobers, no where near

Sangakara was the better player in the end, but Mahela was the more talented one, Sangakara said as much, from age groups jayawardena was well known throughout Sri Lankan cricket
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1. J. Kallis
2. Sobers
3. Botham
4. S. Pollock
5. Shakib/Imran Khan/Flintoff (he even had a boxing career)

Why these guys? Because some guys can bat, and some guys can bowl, but it takes serious TALENT to be able to do both on an international level. Each of these guys would get on most team based on their batting or bowling alone. That's talent.
Pollock, Botham and Flintoff, wouldn't get in as batsmen
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It depends in which botham you are talking about and also the standard you are expecting. Pretty sure for a certain period of time beefy was one of the top 5 bats in the world but if you're talking about an all time national xi then I agree, he couldn't make it on just batting and he couldn't make it on just bowling either (at least not if you take his entire career into consideration - at the beginning he certainly could've made a team as a pure bowler).

As far as sobers having more talent than beefy and Miller, well yes certainly more than beefy but I think Miller V Sobers is closer, both exceptionally talented batsmen but sobers showed it more at the highest level and probably had a slightly higher ceiling than Miller as a bat but as bowlers sobers strength was his versatility, I've no doubt Miller had more pace bowling talent than sobers had. Not saying sobers didn't have a lot of talent as a pacer but I just think Miller had more, Miller did also bowl some offices but didn't bowl spin anywhere near as often as sobers.

Mahela V Sanga, from what I saw sanga had more talent and their records show that as well.

Forgot Gilly, an underrated player imo, very much a top tier keeper imo and combine it with his batting then he was a talent rarely seen.
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It depends in which botham you are talking about and also the standard you are expecting. Pretty sure for a certain period of time beefy was one of the top 5 bats in the world but if you're talking about an all time national xi then I agree, he couldn't make it on just batting and he couldn't make it on just bowling either (at least not if you take his entire career into consideration - at the beginning he certainly could've made a team as a pure bowler).

As far as sobers having more talent than beefy and Miller, well yes certainly more than beefy but I think Miller V Sobers is closer, both exceptionally talented batsmen but sobers showed it more at the highest level and probably had a slightly higher ceiling than Miller as a bat but as bowlers sobers strength was his versatility, I've no doubt Miller had more pace bowling talent than sobers had. Not saying sobers didn't have a lot of talent as a pacer but I just think Miller had more, Miller did also bowl some offices but didn't bowl spin anywhere near as often as sobers.

Mahela V Sanga, from what I saw sanga had more talent and their records show that as well.

Forgot Gilly, an underrated player imo, very much a top tier keeper imo and combine it with his batting then he was a talent rarely seen.
The standard am expecting is not all time, am expecting international standard, and you can't take just 2/3 years of prime, it has to be at least a good chunk of their careers

Botham simply wouldn't get into many teams averaging in his low 30's, even in his prime and taking away everything after mid 80's he averaged 34/35, that's not good enough for most test teams as a batsman today

As a bowler he could make it in that period as a bowler in most teams in my opinion

Miller from footage I've seen, was not the same level as sobers as a batsman

Sangakara record shows his superior hard work and dedication, he kept improving, Mahela half the time turned up asleep to games when he didn't need to perform, he was a great big game player, a players record certainly doesn't show who had more talent, it shows who was the better player, talent is just a small part to it

Gilchrist is also super talented as a batsman, not so much as a keeper, he practiced batting very little, it was his keeping he gave most of his attention on training, even then as a keeper, he wasn't top tier, he was excellent but not top tier, as a batsman keeper, there is no better.
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Carl hooper is a great shout, very lazy
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