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Old January 16, 2017, 01:33 PM
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His only issue is he doesn't know how to farm the strike when batting with tail-enders and exposes them way too much. For example yesterday he let Taskin take a single off the 5th delivery of the over, like why? Could have easily sent him back for just one more delivery, and guess what happened, Taskin perished the next over.

If Taskin mistake wasn't enough, he let Kamrul do the same ****! Kamrul took a single off the 5th delivery and perished the next over!
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Old January 16, 2017, 05:48 PM
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He needs to be mature. Dont expose your tailenders.
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Old January 16, 2017, 09:11 PM
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Don't know why our players don't learn... against England in the 1st test Shabbir exposed the tailenders, we lost the match. Against NZ he did the exact same thing..
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Old April 1, 2017, 05:07 AM
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I don't think we can accommodate Sabbir in the top order.

Doesn't have the technique nor temperament to be a no. 3

I think he should be batting at 6/7. I love his batting and his batting is useful at times but he isn't a match winner.

You need to be able to score big runs. 70+ scores
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Old April 1, 2017, 05:12 AM
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34 ODIs and only 4 50s to show for is anything but impressive.

Switch his position with Mossadek
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Old April 1, 2017, 05:17 AM
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Well mosaddek has 10 ODIs and only 1 50 so his ability to score 50+ so far hasn't been any better than sabbir...in 8 ODIs sabbir has scored 2 50+ scores, he does need to play more big innings but he's shown enough ability imo to stay at #3 for the moment, if mosaddek continues to do well and sabbir doesn't improve then swap them around.
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Old April 1, 2017, 05:57 AM
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You see, mosa just got an opportunity to play a big innings, he's been in good form and he got out for 9. It's easy to bag out the guy that just got a low score. Sabbir looks promising, even some of his lower order innings showed skills that could translate to a good number 3, just give him some time. Both are promising players, exciting times for BD cricket.
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Old April 1, 2017, 06:04 AM
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You see, mosa just got an opportunity to play a big innings, he's been in good form and he got out for 9. It's easy to bag out the guy that just got a low score. Sabbir looks promising, even some of his lower order innings showed skills that could translate to a good number 3, just give him some time. Both are promising players, exciting times for BD cricket.
Unfortunately I don't see a high ceiling for Sabbir in the top.order.

Mosaddek failed today true but he needs more oppurtunities.

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Old April 1, 2017, 06:05 AM
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Sabbir has been edging like Kaedge in recent times. This is not a good sign.
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Old April 1, 2017, 06:08 AM
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We need some one who can play long innings at number 3 position.
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Old April 1, 2017, 07:27 AM
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Stats against G9 in last two years -

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Tamim Iqbal 18 17 2 776 132 51.73 963 80.58 3 4 1 96 7
Soumya Sarkar 13 12 2 546 127* 54.60 524 104.19 1 3 0 70 13
Shakib Al Hasan 18 15 3 505 79 42.08 549 91.98 0 6 0 48 4
Mushfiqur Rahim 16 13 3 456 106 45.60 459 99.34 1 2 1 43 6
Sabbir Rahman 18 13 1 323 54 26.91 336 96.13 0 1 1 39 6
Imrul Kayes 6 6 0 288 112 48.00 367 78.47 1 1 0 30 5
Mahmudullah 15 13 1 206 75 17.16 278 74.10 0 2 2 18 2
Mosaddek Hossain 9 8 3 164 50* 32.80 183 89.61 0 1 1 17 4
Mashrafe Mortaza 17 9 0 131 44 14.55 143 91.60 0 0 1 12 4
Nasir Hossain 11 6 2 131 34 32.75 139 94.24 0 0 0 11 2

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Sabbir is not a good enough batsman to be at #3. Imrul has done way better in few opportunities he got in recent past, and should be persisted with one of the top order positions.

Contrary to popular demand, Mosaddek has not really done that much either to be promoted. We have not seen enough from him to believe he has overcome his weakness against pace.

Riyad clearly should be given the boot, handing the #7 position back to Sabbir.

Nasir definitely should be called back to squad. He is a better batsman than what his stats show for last two years, and even that is not that bad comparing to likes of Mosaddek and Sabbir.
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Old April 1, 2017, 07:35 AM
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^ your conclusion on Mosaddek and Nasir is hilarious.
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Old April 1, 2017, 07:43 AM
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^ your conclusion on Mosaddek and Nasir is hilarious.
Thank you. Your meaningless one liner is amusing too.
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Old April 1, 2017, 07:46 AM
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After 34 matches, Sabbir's average is 30 which is not acceptable these days. For a one down batsman it should be above that.
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Old April 1, 2017, 07:50 AM
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Stats against G9 in last two years -

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Tamim Iqbal 18 17 2 776 132 51.73 963 80.58 3 4 1 96 7
Soumya Sarkar 13 12 2 546 127* 54.60 524 104.19 1 3 0 70 13
Shakib Al Hasan 18 15 3 505 79 42.08 549 91.98 0 6 0 48 4
Mushfiqur Rahim 16 13 3 456 106 45.60 459 99.34 1 2 1 43 6
Sabbir Rahman 18 13 1 323 54 26.91 336 96.13 0 1 1 39 6
Imrul Kayes 6 6 0 288 112 48.00 367 78.47 1 1 0 30 5
Mahmudullah 15 13 1 206 75 17.16 278 74.10 0 2 2 18 2
Mosaddek Hossain 9 8 3 164 50* 32.80 183 89.61 0 1 1 17 4
Mashrafe Mortaza 17 9 0 131 44 14.55 143 91.60 0 0 1 12 4
Nasir Hossain 11 6 2 131 34 32.75 139 94.24 0 0 0 11 2

Observations:

Sabbir is not a good enough batsman to be at #3. Imrul has done way better in few opportunities he got in recent past, and should be persisted with one of the top order positions.

Contrary to popular demand, Mosaddek has not really done that much either to be promoted. We have not seen enough from him to believe he has overcome his weakness against pace.

Riyad clearly should be given the boot, handing the #7 position back to Sabbir.

Nasir definitely should be called back to squad. He is a better batsman than what his stats show for last two years, and even that is not that bad comparing to likes of Mosaddek and Sabbir.
Very good analysis. Nasir should be brought back into the squad. I would give Sabbir one more series at 3, though. The rapid decline of Riyad post-WC has been almost spectacular. He is making the selectors job more interesting.
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Old April 1, 2017, 08:12 AM
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The idea of batting Sabbir at no.3 was to make use of the first ten overs of powerplay,incase one of the openers got out. With Tamim playing a different role now then what he used to do earlier, Soumya and Sabbir both were given license to go after the opposition from the very beginning.However, they haven't still shown their capability to lengthen their innings after having a start. If we see our batting history, we still depend on Tamim, Mushfiqur and Shakib for a big score. When any of these three don't click, we often fail to score big.
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Old April 1, 2017, 08:23 AM
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Just wondering what exactly in those stats suggests nasir should be brought back? If we are so concerned about G9 stats then 32/33 isn't that great. I'm not opposed to nasir coming back to the team but you've got to give the younger newer guys a decent chance. Sabbir has had 8 matches at #3, it really isn't that many, not to mention overall he's batted in 5 different positions but you can spilt him up pretty well as he's played in 3 positions more regularly than the others. 6 was his best position, then 3, then 7.

Thing is his position has been chopped and changed a bit and when you've got the role of playing anywhere between 3 and 7 it's quite difficult to establish yourself especially when you are young, different positions require different mentalities and situational skills. With young players it's best to give them a role, let them settle and then see where they are at, give them a specific role where they can build particular skills so they can become really good at those skills, chopping and changing for most means a slower development because they're not focusing for a particularly lengthy period on particular skills so naturally it will take longer.
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Old April 1, 2017, 08:29 AM
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^^ The stats shows even in his worst period, Nasir was not that bad comparing to younger more promising cricketers. Mind you, Nasir is only 25 years old himself. Arguments that you are making about giving younger guys more opportunities should apply to him also.
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Old April 1, 2017, 08:32 AM
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^^ The stats shows even in his worst period, Nasir was not that bad comparing to younger more promising cricketers. Mind you, Nasir is only 25 years old himself. Arguments that you are making about giving younger guys more opportunities should apply to him also.
I agree. No reason why sabbir, mosaddek and nasir can't play in the same xi.
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Old April 1, 2017, 08:36 AM
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Afridi is his idol. Explains why, he lacks the temperament.

Funny how BD are trying to have someone who is more of a late order dasher/hitter quick aggressive batsman, at 3. Number 3 really crucial number to bat and BD has a player there who knows nothing of how to build innings, plays aggressive out of context regardless of situation. Please Hatura come to sense, drop this over hyped back to 6/7.
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Old April 1, 2017, 08:39 AM
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Btw over nasir's entire career, including his "good period" his average against the top teams actually decreases. 46 matches, average of 31.4. Interestingly that includes a ton and 3 half centuries. Strike rate drops to 81.77. Of course it's still better than Sabbir but nasir has been given many more chances. Also need to remember players develop in different ways at different rates, some start with a bang, others don't, doesn't mean the dont's shouldn't be given due time to establish themselves especially when they show promise.
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Nasir had a horrid 2014. Even then he was picked for World cup and part of the winning formula against Pakistan, India and South Africa in 2015. Not sure why he was dropped and only made part time appearance. He was expensive the last time he played an ODI, but he is not the front line bowler.
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Old April 1, 2017, 08:56 AM
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Nasir had a horrid 2014. Even then he was picked for World cup and part of the winning formula against Pakistan, India and South Africa in 2015. Not sure why he was dropped and only made part time appearance. He was expensive the last time he played an ODI, but he is not the front line bowler.
Yeah his latest dropping was a bit strange as in the series' before it he had contributed to the team well (not sure if it looks that way through stats but he did). He had a pretty horrid 2015 especially with the bat but like I said he contributed well regardless of what the stats say, his bowling helped the team a lot and I'm sure he scored a few vital runs to.
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Thank you. Your meaningless one liner is amusing too.
Welcome. Great that you found it out. 😀
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what confuses me is that Imrul was a guaranteed opener with Tamim in NZ in ODIs with Soumya being a massive disappointment at #3. And then Soumya does well in test and then because of that he kicks Imrul out of the ODI team?

I said it before and people didn't like it. But Sabbir just doesn't have it to be the #3 we want him to be. Yes people can talk about all his potential. I agree wholeheartedly. In fact he can take the game away from the opposition. But you can just check out his domestics LOI stats and see he just doesn't have it to score big. I wish he could develop into a batsman who plays long innings. Because the longer he is out in the middle the more he will take the game away from the opposition.

But he just hasn't showed it at all so far ever. He has been in the international circuit long enough to have made a big innings now in any format. But he hasn't done a one destructive innings that we know he is capable of. And the other thing that confuses me is that he gets bumped to #4 in tests? What exactly has he done to warrant a #4 spot?

The only reason is because the 4 out of the top 5 batsman are LHB so we needed to break that up by putting Sabbir at #4. But he no sense of the word deserves a position that high and when Litton is not injured Mushy needs to be batting there.

If Sabbir was a century maker I wouldn't mind him getting a century and then a duck the next game. Because we need someone who can score big. Imrul has showed after making his comeback into the BD team whether it be in ODI and in test that he has a knack of scoring big these days. This is what he need at the top of the order.

People can just show blind hate to Imrul because thats all i see in BC anyways. But if people want to consider other options even someone like Mosaddek can bat at #3 because he has shown in domestics that he is a long innings player. A player that scores big and plays long innings.

But all Sabbir does is a run a ball 40 and the next game a single digit score. This is not what we want from a #3. People need to wake up to this, These cameo innings he plays is perfect down the order. Why don't we realise this? Cos we are too hung over about how much potential he has. Reality is that he is underperforming with all the amount of potential he has.

Tamim, Imrul, Soumya are our best top 3 combo if we want less wickets to fall early on. They are also the best 3 batsmen statistically over the last 3 years out of any player in the squad in ODIs. This is the best combo going forward.
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