***All About Bangladeshi Politics: The Definitive Bangladeshi Politics Thread***

[Sohel]

যে তিনজন দগ্ধ তরুণ চিকিৎসক হরতাল পূর্ববর্তী নির্মম সহিংসতায় আক্রান্ত হয়েছে, তাঁদের নিয়ে খুব অস্থিরতায় ছিলাম। এই অস্থিরতার কারণ তাঁরা আমার পেশার তরুণ সহকর্মী। এই অস্থিরতা আরো বাড়ল আজকে সকালে যখন জানলাম তাঁরা তিন জনই আমার মেডিক্যালের গ্রাজুয়েট। রাজশাহী মেডিকেল কলেজের ৩৫ তম ব্যাচের রায়হান (ডাঃ আহমেদ রায়হান শারিফ), ডিউক (ডাঃ রাকিবুল ইসলাম), বাবু (ডাঃ ওমর ফারুক) গত পরশু রাতে হরতাল পিকেটার দের ছোড়া পেট্রোল বোমায় আহত হয়ে, ঢাকা মেডিক্যাল কলেজের বার্ন ইউনিটে ভর্তি । তাঁদের মধ্যে ডিউক আর বাবুর অবস্থা আশঙ্কা জনক।

আমাদের প্রায় ১০ বছরের ছোট ওরা, তাই কয়েকজনকে ফোন করে চিনবার চেষ্টা করলাম। তিন জনই ছাত্র জীবনে ছাত্রদল করতো, এখনও ড্যাবের সাথে যুক্ত। আমি ওদের শরীরের যন্ত্রণা কে ছাপিয়ে নিদারুন মানসিক যন্ত্রণার বিষয়টি কিছুটা উপলদ্ধি করতে পারছি।

রাজনীতি যখন অনাবশ্যক সহিংস হয়ে ওঠে তখন মাঠের কর্তৃত্ব দুর্বৃত্তদের হাতে চলে যায়। সেই দুর্বৃত্তদের হাতে দলের কর্মী-সমর্থকও নিরাপদ থাকেনা।

বিশ্বজিৎ মৃত্যুর আগে চাপাতি লীগকে বলতে পেরেছিল "আমি হিন্দু" তার মানে আমি তোমাদের শত্রু নই, বরং আমি যে ধর্মীয় সম্প্রদায়ের সদস্য তাঁরা কিন্তু মুলত তোমাদেরই ভোট দেয়।

বাবু, ডিউক আর রায়হান কিছু বলার সুযোগই পায়নি, তার আগেই হয়েছে দগ্ধ।

আওয়ামী লীগ এবং বি এন পি; আপনারাই দেখুন দেশটাকে কোথায় নিয়ে এসেছেন। আপনারা রাজনৈতিক কর্মসূচী পালন করুন, আপনাদের কর্মীদের দিয়ে। দুর্বৃত্তদের আপনাদের হয়ে মাঠে নামতে দিয়েন না।

বাবু, ডিউক আর রায়হানের দ্রুত আরোগ্য কামনা করছি।

FB status update from Pinaki Bhattacharya.

Pretty much sums it all up about criminal conduct masquerading as politics.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Blah
I hope my point is not lost in all this, is that Bangladesh will not change/improve by a new political party of a political movement overnight. The change that Bangladesh needs is in the form of social re-education. Once the people of the country improve their moral and education standard, the political establishment will adapt to it.

And this will take loads of time...

Good point.

[Emad03]

Originally Posted by Blah

I hope my point is not lost in all this, is that Bangladesh will not change/improve by a new political party of a political movement overnight. The change that Bangladesh needs is in the form of social re-education. Once the people of the country improve their moral and education standard, the political establishment will adapt to it.

And this will take loads of time...

It is the only way!

Right now our nation is so divided. It seems like we are not Bangladeshi's anymore but rather BNP's ,Al's , JI's etc...

[Zeeshan]

Since when did sitting on the fence became morally reprehensible modulo George W. Bush logic?

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by Blah
I hope my point is not lost in all this, is that Bangladesh will not change/improve by a new political party of a political movement overnight. The change that Bangladesh needs is in the form of social re-education. Once the people of the country improve their moral and education standard, the political establishment will adapt to it.

And this will take loads of time...

Spot on!

[zman]

Blah made some very good points. The assumption that neutral/morally honest/civilized people will remain that way even after siding with or getting involved in party politics is flawed. The biggest risk of getting off the fence is that MOST people will end up becoming morally bankrupt if they get proactively involved in BD politics.

One good example is Dr. Mohiuddin Khan Alamgir. Having known him closely as a family friend since childhood, he was one of the most brilliant, dedicated and decorated workers in the civil service of his time. None of us thought he was capable of being corrupted. Look where politics, power and greed have gotten him today!

[Sun_]

Economically we were doing quite well and our GDP growth is still quite admirable although we had hardly any environment in our country which can be declared as a suitable one for doing business. Ya, thanks to our great patriotic politicians for providing such an exemplary environment along with their unconditional love for their motherland. Sigh, our politics is going nowhere. It is actually at the same state as it was 20 years ago and perhaps it is getting worse day by day.


I mean, what’s going on? The man who is supposed to catch the black cat by implementing some hunky punky and what happend......ya,at last it turns out that he himself was the real black cat. Huh, what an irony! For every hazary there is a kajal, to counter tareq koko one will easily find abul-kabul with his bigot smile as well as to justify the presence of razakar collaboration one will easily find the military extremist very next to them. And about mass public, huh… who cares about them? We general public are in great mainka chipa and there is hardly any possibility of getting out from there, well….. At least it’s not possible as long as those two ‘rupkothar daini’ are alive.

[cricket_pagol]

Originally Posted by Blah
And how much have BD changed politically as a country since the 80s?

In my humble opinion, none at all.

If dodging teargas and cocktail would help take the country forward, than BD would have been a new world powerhouse by now.

I hope my point is not lost in all this, is that Bangladesh will not change/improve by a new political party of a political movement overnight. The change that Bangladesh needs is in the form of social re-education. Once the people of the country improve their moral and education standard, the political establishment will adapt to it.

And this will take loads of time...

I think these two things can happen side by side. If we have good political leadership, social and moral change in the society can take place very quickly. Unfortunately this is Bangladesh, where political leadership will hinder societal change in order to preserve their power.

[Blah]

Originally Posted by cricket_pagol
I think these two things can happen side by side. If we have good political leadership, social and moral change in the society can take place very quickly. Unfortunately this is Bangladesh, where political leadership will hinder societal change in order to preserve their power.

In an ideal situation, yes a political system should work both top-down and bottom-up. But unfortunately BD doesn't have an idea political situation; far from it.

Instead what we need, and its already happening slowly but steadily, is grass root social development where the citizens are made aware of their moral obligations, rights, social obligations. Unfortunately, this will happen only after the slate is cleaned off from the current generation of politicians and policy makers.

You will have a hard time finding any nation as young as Bangladesh, and is not directly influenced by western government, that is politically stable. If they are any, its the exception not the norm.

Trying to force quick fix, a la Arab Spring, will only lead to chaos.

[Naimul_Hd]

BNP has called for 2 days hartal on 27th and 28th just right after 'Independence day' ! Great !!!

২৭ ও ২৮ মার্চ ৩৬ ঘণ্টার হরতাল

আগামী ২৭ ও ২৮ মার্চ সারা দেশে হরতাল ডেকেছে বিএনপির নেতৃত্বাধীন ১৮ দলীয় জোট। বুধবার সকাল ছয়টা থেকে শুরু হয়ে বৃহস্পতিবার সন্ধ্যা ছয়টা পর্যন্ত টানা ৩৬ ঘণ্টা হরতাল চলবে।

আজ সোমবার বিকেলে নয়াপল্টনে বিএনপির কেন্দ্রীয় কার্যালয়ে এক সংবাদ সম্মেলনে দলটির ভারপ্রাপ্ত মহাসচিব মির্জা ফখরুল ইসলাম আলমগীর হরতালের এ ঘোষণা দেন।

সংবাদ সম্মেলনে মির্জা ফখরুল দাবি করেন, ১৮ দলীয় জোটের গ্রেপ্তার হওয়া নেতা-কর্মীদের মুক্তি, ‘গণহত্যা’ বন্ধ, নির্দলীয় নিরপেক্ষ সরকারের অধীনে নির্বাচন এবং সরকারের পদত্যাগের দাবিতে এ হরতাল ডাকা হয়েছে।

http://prothom-alo.com/detail/date/2...25/news/339464

[Sohel]

These hartals are doing nothing for BNP. In fact rather than garnering support and votes for the upcoming elections, they're antagonizing people who have to operate businesses and work for a living. Simply unacceptable disruption and economic loss. Picketing is OK but the lawlessness and crimes committed in the name of picketing must be punished according to the law of the land, no matter which political party is breaking the law.

[Sohel]

নাশকতাকারীদের দেখামাত্র গুলি!
রোজিনা ইসলাম | তারিখ: ২৭-০৩-২০১৩

মহাসড়কে বা রেলপথে যারা অগ্নিসংযোগ, ভাঙচুর বা নাশকতামূলক কর্মকাণ্ড চালাবে, তাদের দেখামাত্র গুলি করার নির্দেশ দেওয়া হয়েছে।

গতকাল মঙ্গলবার স্বরাষ্ট্রমন্ত্র� �র সঙ্গে আইনশৃঙ্খলা রক্ষাকারী বাহিনীর প্রধানদের বৈঠকে এ বিষয়ে আলোচনা হয়। বিরোধী দলের হরতাল এবং দেশের চলমান পরিস্থিতির প্রেক্ষাপটে স্বরাষ্ট্রমন্ত্র� �র বনানীর বাসভবনে জরুরি এ বৈঠক ডাকা হয়। বৈঠকে বিএনপি ও জামায়াত-শিবিরের পরিকল্পিত সহিংসতা ও নাশকতামূলক কর্মকাণ্ড বন্ধ করতে করণীয় নিয়ে আলোচনা হয়।

বৈঠকে উপস্থিত একাধিক ব্যক্তি প্রথম আলোকে জানান, হরতালের সময় যারা ভাঙচুর করবে, গাড়ি পোড়াবে, রেললাইন উপড়ে ফেলবে শুধু তাদেরই নয়, যারা হরতাল ডেকেছে এবং যারা এসব ধ্বংসাত্মক কর্মকাণ্ডে মদদ দিচ্ছে, তাদের বিরুদ্ধেও মামলা করা হবে। এ জন্য সারা দেশের আইনশৃঙ্খলা রক্ষাকারী বাহিনীকে প্রয়োজনীয় নির্দেশ দেওয়া হয়েছে।

জানতে চাইলে বৈঠকের বিষয়টি নিশ্চিত করে স্বরাষ্ট্রমন্ত্র� � মহীউদ্দীন খান আলমগীর বলেন, যারা হরতালের নামে মানুষের নিরাপত্তা বিঘ্নিত করবে, জানমালের ক্ষতি করবে, মহাসড়ক ও রেলপথে আগুন দেবে, ভাঙচুর করবে তাদের বিরুদ্ধে দেওয়ানি, ফৌজদারি ব্যবস্থাসহ কঠোর পদক্ষেপ নিতে আইনশৃঙ্খলা রক্ষাকারী বাহিনীকে নির্দেশ দেওয়া হয়েছে।

বিস্তারিত

What an insanely criminal mindset. You arrest, charge and file cases against those who break the law in a civilized, democratic country. NEVER shoot them on sight.

Even search and destroy missions against enemy combatants require a series of lawful steps.

Fire this criminally dangerous egomaniac before it's too late.

[Naimul_Hd]

Ohh....Our home minister

[cricket_pagol]

I thought this write-up from DS summarizes our hopeless situation:
http://www.thedailystar.net/beta2/ne...um-power-game/

On a different note, Yunus is unpopular with many because he floated the idea of creating a party under the last caretaker govt (with indirect backing of armed forces). This group of people are happy with govt's action against Yunus to take him down, and happily vote for AL during election season! I wondering if anybody in Bangladesh has the moral high ground.

[HereWeGo]

When ever someone gets the assignment to be the home minster of bangladesh.. he needs to ensure

- The thugs belonging to the ruling party are protected
- Corruption of any ruling party men is not investigated
- kill and torture the opposition..


Only man who opposed against this was Sohel Taz and look what happened to him...

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by cricket_pagol
I thought this write-up from DS summarizes our hopeless situation:
http://www.thedailystar.net/beta2/ne...um-power-game/

On a different note, Yunus is unpopular with many because he floated the idea of creating a party under the last caretaker govt (with indirect backing of armed forces). This group of people are happy with govt's action against Yunus to take him down, and happily vote for AL during election season! I wondering if anybody in Bangladesh has the moral high ground.

Originally Posted by HereWeGo
When ever someone gets the assignment to be the home minster of bangladesh.. he needs to ensure

- The thugs belonging to the ruling party are protected
- Corruption of any ruling party men is not investigated
- kill and torture the opposition..


Only mane who opposed against this was Sohel Taz and look what happened to him...

Impressed by Both.

Now move up the ladder and find out the main culprit; who didn't allow Sohel Taj to do what he wanted to do but allows Mohiuddin to kill 160 lives in a matter of week.

The roots are rotten and people fighting over who was better amongst two dead. Ridiculous politics. And hope the people have by now understood, what's the purpose of Shahbag. Expecting morality from these parties at any stage, is the most immoral act we do, time and again.

[HereWeGo]

Originally Posted by BANFAN
Impressed by Both.

Now move up the ladder and find out the main culprit; who didn't allow Sohel Taj to do what he wanted to do but allows Mohiuddin to kill 160 lives in a matter of week.

The roots are rotten and people fighting over who was better amongst two dead. Ridiculous politics. And hope the people have by now understood, what's the purpose of Shahbag. Expecting morality from these parties at any stage, is the most immoral act we do, time and again.

Purpose of Shahbag is to ensure gallows for the most heinous war criminals.... it is sad that people cant see beyond petty politics....

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by HereWeGo
Purpose of Shahbag is to ensure gallows for the most heinous war criminals.... it is sad that people cant see beyond petty politics....

Correct, some people can only see the side notes it's carrying out in the form of political cleansing, gagging the media and helping Covering up Govt Corruptions.... It's visible to all, that anyone needs to be sized, govt only needs a finger pointing from BCL controlled shahbag and it's done... It's called petty politics.

Wait for few more days it will be more clear...if it's not enough...

Shahbag wasn't necessary to form ICT and give it's first death sentence, but now suddenly we needed a gono-jagoron to do/politics with something what's already done... How would the media and so called intellectuals be controlled without Shahbag? BCL could have handled the rest as they are, doing it now...?? But yes, it's called petty politics...

[Blah]

Originally Posted by HereWeGo
Purpose of Shahbag is to ensure gallows for the most heinous war criminals.... it is sad that people cant see beyond petty politics....

Make me an all powerful government, give me a bunch of nationalistic and idealistic, out of work, recently graduated arts student, make me morally bankrupt and I will give you a shahbagh like movement every weekend at wholesale price.

Einstein once famously said: "Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."

A true patriot fights against:

Status Quo
The establishment
Corruption
Inefficiency
A government that feels it is not accountable

In shahbag we have this "movement" that is not only agreeable to the status quo, it is supported by and protected by the government. If anything, its a massive jingoistic bukkake-fest. Just listening to the buzz-words used by media to describe shabagh I feel that George Orwell must be rolling in his grave.

And no kiddo, its not the place for the general public to demand what type of punishment any individual or anyone, no matter how big of a criminal, or how big his crime is, gets. Thats the job of the judiciary system. The job of the people is to make sure that judiciary system applies its laws equally and fairly, no matter who that person is and according to the law. So when and if in the future you are on the chopping block of the justice system, and there is no shabagh movement to save your *ss; you don't have to worry about the justice system screwing sh*t up and it applies the law equally and fairly to everyone, no matter what that person did.

Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

[zman]

Originally Posted by Blah
A true patriot fights against:

Status Quo
The establishment
Corruption
Inefficiency
A government that feels it is not accountable

Oh boy! can't wait to see how long it takes to get labeled as tena pechano/nobbo rajakar/chagu speech!

[Zeeshan]

blah took it on all accounts

[cricket_pagol]

A true patriot fights against:

Status Quo
The establishment
Corruption
Inefficiency
A government that feels it is not accountable

Well said and thanks for speaking up! If moderate and thoughtful people stay silent, then conservation gets dictated by extremists.

[HereWeGo]

Originally Posted by Blah
Make me an all powerful government, give me a bunch of nationalistic and idealistic, out of work, recently graduated arts student, make me morally bankrupt and I will give you a shahbagh like movement every weekend at wholesale price.

Einstein once famously said: "Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."

A true patriot fights against:

Status Quo
The establishment
Corruption
Inefficiency
A government that feels it is not accountable

In shahbag we have this "movement" that is not only agreeable to the status quo, it is supported by and protected by the government. If anything, its a massive jingoistic bukkake-fest. Just listening to the buzz-words used by media to describe shabagh I feel that George Orwell must be rolling in his grave.

And no kiddo, its not the place for the general public to demand what type of punishment any individual or anyone, no matter how big of a criminal, or how big his crime is, gets. Thats the job of the judiciary system. The job of the people is to make sure that judiciary system applies its laws equally and fairly, no matter who that person is and according to the law. So when and if in the future you are on the chopping block of the justice system, and there is no shabagh movement to save your *ss; you don't have to worry about the justice system screwing sh*t up and it applies the law equally and fairly to everyone, no matter what that person did.

Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

We always had " an all powerful government" we never had a shortage for "nationalistic and idealistic, out of work, recently graduated arts student" and yet in the last 42years we only had 1 Shahbag like movement...

Shahbag was never a fight against "status quo or establishment" but it was a voice that demanded to be heard.
Shahbag was never a fight between government and opposition either, but it got labeled as such simply and sadly because one party was adamant to ensure the 5% additional votes from the anti liberation forces.

Our judiciary system is far from perfect. It is a system that is influenced by the government . How else would you explain the courts inability to give a verdict against the murderers of Sheikh Mujib and his family when BNP was in power?

Shahbag was simply to ensure that the Government and our judiciary does not play politics when giving the verdict against these well known Razakars. The seeds of Shahbag are not unemployed youth and arts students, instead it is the general frustration against our justice system and the government. It is the patriotism and respect for the shaheeds during the 9month war.

[Blah]

Purpose of Shahbag is to ensure gallows for the most heinous war criminals....

This is exactly what's happening.

Shahbag was simply to ensure that the Government and our judiciary does not play politics when giving the verdict against these well known Razakars

This is exactly what's not happening.

Death by hanging of war criminals, at any and all cost, is the raison d'État of both the government and the shahbagh movement. They are demanding the government to do what the government is already trying to do. Its a manufactured movement for a well agreable cause during an election year to overshadow all other discussions.

Add a dash of nationalism and a bit a patriotism you got a jingoistic feast for the masses.

[Sohel]

The ICT needs much better investigators and prosecutors. The current bunch is dangerously mediocre when compared to the defense team. This is a critical issue that needs to be addressed right away. If not, we're likely to see more acquittals due to poor preparation and prosecution.