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Old August 12, 2012, 11:50 PM
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Shakib is an excellent all-rounder, but the time to call him great is not here yet. If he remains healthy and retains his hunger, he would be an all-time great in all formats, despite the relatively small number of tests. Just my humble 2 cents.
I do agree somewhat but what he has achieved in the one-day game thus far is a rare feat. Just recently I was discussing the same about steyn but from your POV so I totally understand what you're saying.
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Old August 15, 2012, 10:04 PM
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I think it's embarrassing and a little rude to say that Shakib is better than Kallis as an allrounder. Kallis is truly a great and even if we are from Bangladesh we should respect the game of cricket and not be naive to compare Shakib to him. If you want go and have a look at their stats. Kallis has a which can't be matched by anyone. He averages 32 with the ball and 57 with the bat in Tests: Shakib averages 31 and 34 respectively. Kallis has maintained his averages over 150 matches while Shakib has only played 26. Averaging 30 with the ball is nothing outstanding, neither is averaging 34 with the bat. Put together, Shakib is a very good cricketer but take them alone and he is average. When you say he could play in the team as either a batsman or bowler, remember that its the BD team! He wouldn't get into the SA team (maybe as a spinner he might) with his record!
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Old August 15, 2012, 10:24 PM
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I think it's embarrassing and a little rude to say that Shakib is better than Kallis as an allrounder. Kallis is truly a great and even if we are from Bangladesh we should respect the game of cricket and not be naive to compare Shakib to him. If you want go and have a look at their stats. Kallis has a which can't be matched by anyone. He averages 32 with the ball and 57 with the bat in Tests: Shakib averages 31 and 34 respectively. Kallis has maintained his averages over 150 matches while Shakib has only played 26. Averaging 30 with the ball is nothing outstanding, neither is averaging 34 with the bat. Put together, Shakib is a very good cricketer but take them alone and he is average. When you say he could play in the team as either a batsman or bowler, remember that its the BD team! He wouldn't get into the SA team (maybe as a spinner he might) with his record!
who is saying shakib is a better allrounder than kallis? what can't be denied though is that shakib is one of the best allrounders at current, he consistently holds the #1 allrounder spot in various formats. of course this doesn't mean he is better than kallis, the truth is kallis is more of a batting allrounder, shakib is more equal with bat and ball than being amazing at one. as far as shakib being able to make it as both batsman or bowler i think there are a number of current teams he would make it other than BD. sri lanka for one, he would definitely make it as a batsman and most likely as a bowler to, india he could make it as a bowler NZ of course he would make it for both, WI he'd def make it as a batsman and maybe a bowler (depends on how narine develops for now), zimbabwe obviously he'd make it as both, england he'd be a strong chance as bowler, and this might be a shock but at current he'd make the aussie team for both batting and bowling.

keep in mind i don't think anyone is clear cut saying right now at this second shakib is a great, but if he continues as he has been he will be considered a great allrounder, compare his stats to dev and botham who are 2 of the best ever and clearly if he keeps his stats as is he will be ahead of them. however, shakib seems to be geting better so there is a chance he'll end up with better stats than he currently has.

is he better than kallis? of course not, kallis is already a great who is nearing the end of his career. what is clear though is that shakib is on track to be a great, he's still really young but is already performing pretty well and as said comparable to some other great allrounders plus he's consistently vying for the #1 allrounder spot in various formats so that proves that he's one of the best of the current generation/era.

also this isn't just about test matches, shakib has performed really well in the one-day format for more than 100 matches, pretty much tells us he is consistently a quality ODI allrounder, his ODI stats show that. we will see how far he goes in tests, he's on track and he looks to be getting better.

on a side note it can be a bit unfair to compare batting/bowling allrounders to allrounders who are more balanced and are relied upon more on both skill sets. think about it, kallis is a batsman RSA rely on, but he's not a frontline bowler in anyway, maybe early in his career he was but he hasn't been for years, shakib is a frontline bowler every single match, so just saying kallis has a 32 bowling average which isn't to far off shakib's 31, that doesn't tell the whole story because shakib bowls a lot more thus has to hold up his consistency for a longer period than kallis does. same goes for bowling allrounders, compare their batting to shakib's and shakib is much better (hadlee for example). different types of allrounders are harder to compare, can't just purely go one basic stats, you have to delve a little deeper and look at the situations more closely.

anyway no doubt kallis is one of the greatest allrounders of all time, stats wise he's the best, most you ask will still say sobers is #1, but kallis certainly makes top 5 if not top 3 imo (it's between him and imran for the #2 spot).
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Old August 15, 2012, 10:28 PM
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Old August 15, 2012, 10:56 PM
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