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Old February 28, 2010, 04:51 PM
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Tamim Iqbal
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Naeem Islam
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Old February 28, 2010, 04:56 PM
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time to try some of the newer talents, although farhad and jahurul have beend oing well in FC cricket not so much in the one-dayers. for list A cricket nazmus sadat has been good over the years and rony/uttam did well this year in the NCL. shuvagoto is also up there but he probably needs more time, hasn't really played much cricket at the top domestic level to this point, would have been really good to have seen him in the practice matches to see where he was at (hopefully he'll be in the A team match).
I do not mind trying any of those you mentioned in the list because one way or the other they cannot do anything worse than what is in the plate. So introduce an ODI wicket keeper and a new middle order, keep them trying unless it sedates to useful solution. Probably Dhiman can be called back with Shuvo taking the place of somehow morphed Razzak and Mash can hit the gym when Rubel can take control. For the middle order we need grafter, not hitter because as long as TI-Imrul is there we might see the proper utilization of bowling PP's.
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Old February 28, 2010, 05:42 PM
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Mashrafee needs to head to the gym than to the pitch... he needs to get fit. His knee might have recovered but he is absolutely unfit.
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Old February 28, 2010, 07:10 PM
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Only in BD team you will see the following:

1. We have top order specialized batsman(s) who as a group fails (except for Tamim)
2. We have specialized bowlers who are either not used, or fail to produce
3. We have a WC who fails perform his main duty i.e wicket keeping.

Its only the make shift all rounders who are the one who is still trying to make things happen.

Except for Tamim all of our top order specialized batsman are pretty much failure for a while....Emrul is trying his best but not good enough yet to say he should be our long term solution....then you have a bunch of off-form/not good enough failures in Ash/Juniad/Rakibul/Aftab/SN....are we recycling all these rejects too often and too quickly ignoring any new options from local league and/or promoting Rahim/Naeem/Mahmudullah.....our #2, #3, #4 is going on for a while now....and what we are doing? trying to recycle old spoiled wine again and again. How much longer do we need to wait before Siddon and Co. will realize its not working?


Razzak was pretty off again India, then what makes them think he will be successful suddenly? Was he that much overwhelming in the local league to bring him back again to early?

Why bringing back Mashrafee when its obvious that he was not game ready condition?

Why taking a 2nd specialized bowler in Saiful, when they don't plan to use him at all?

It's very demoralization to the bowlers then they see missed opportunity and sub-per performance by the wicket keeper. Its going on for a while? What is their plan to fix that? Rahim need to improve his WC or he can dedicate his energy to become a specialized batsman. But this kind of sub-par performance by our WC for soo long cannot be be tolerated if we want to be more competitive.

Unless we address these issues with new approach (than what our management is doing now), I don't see much hope for improvement.
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Old February 28, 2010, 07:15 PM
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then shouldnt he perform like he`s ready and in form!? lol
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Old February 28, 2010, 07:17 PM
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Zunaed should not have even been in this squad even let alone the starting 11..so i would drop him next match..hes gotten enough matches and hes proved 2 not be effective in ODIs..hes a must in tests though..keep aftab because he needs a fair chance since he just came back from icl..but hes gotta perform in the next 2 odi or else he should be dropped from the squad for good..i thought razzak didnt do so bad..he was economical like the other bowlers..he just didnt pick up wickets..doesnt warrant a drop though..mash should be dropped..hes clearly not ready yet 4 international cricket..needs to bowl more in the ncl and prove hes his old self.. so i would pick rubel and shuvo and drop big Z and mash..
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Old February 28, 2010, 07:35 PM
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nazmus would be on my list in one-dayers to be given ago at the #2/#3 slot, he's been pretty consistent for a few years whereas rony hasn't been around long and uttam started his career pretty well then had a couple of lean years and is starting to comeback a bit this season. otherwise we have to try the FC performers i.e. farhad, jahurul, shamsur marshall etc. if faisal has poor technique i don't want to try him because it's rare for a player with poor technique to succeed internationally. shuvagoto is an exciting talent but he hasn't played much cricket, not even DPL stuff, he's been around for a few seasons but just has never really got a regulary go until the NCL this year. but if we bring in new players and keep mushy down the order then i don't see the point of playing mushy at all, he's really a top 4 batsmen just because of his style and dif his keeping is below par and he's batting lower than top 4 or 5 at a stretch then why are we using him? we've got keepers who would be similar or maybe better with the gloves and have that explosiveness that mushy lacks (dhiman, mithun).
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Old February 28, 2010, 08:29 PM
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*daat thakte daat-er morjada keu bujhe na*
And in this case our daat is Rakibul. He is a crucial player in our ODI team, without him there is not really anyone in the middle order who can hold the team. It is unreasonable to ask the lower order to perform every single game.
I simply do not understand why we have a 13 men squad in a home series, i really hope to see Rakibul back in the team and also Shuvo making the team. And I would like to see Aftab and Zunayed making room for them.
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Old February 28, 2010, 09:24 PM
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*daat thakte daat-er morjada keu bujhe na*
And in this case our daat is Rakibul. He is a crucial player in our ODI team, without him there is not really anyone in the middle order who can hold the team. It is unreasonable to ask the lower order to perform every single game.
I simply do not understand why we have a 13 men squad in a home series, i really hope to see Rakibul back in the team and also Shuvo making the team. And I would like to see Aftab and Zunayed making room for them.
Really enjoy reading your posts beshideshi and yet again you have posted a great post here..we just dont hv a glue in our team besides the rock..yes he is slow but he is a player that is needed on our team..if it was any other team then its a different story but we are a much different team..we have players that play shots with a lot of risk and therefore we need someone 2 play a long innings..this just doesnt make sense..they took an out of form zunaed over an out of form roqibul even tho roqibul has a much higher average in all forms of the game..my 1st choice would be 2 drop ash/rock/big Z and try out other players who are performing in domestic crikcet but if the team management is not interested in that then why dont we just take roqibul in the squad? He should definitely be playing over Zunaed..he wouldve done much better then him yesterday..
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Old February 28, 2010, 09:31 PM
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Old February 28, 2010, 09:40 PM
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Really enjoy reading your posts beshideshi and yet again you have posted a great post here..we just dont hv a glue in our team besides the rock..yes he is slow but he is a player that is needed on our team..if it was any other team then its a different story but we are a much different team..we have players that play shots with a lot of risk and therefore we need someone 2 play a long innings..this just doesnt make sense..they took an out of form zunaed over an out of form roqibul even tho roqibul has a much higher average in all forms of the game..my 1st choice would be 2 drop ash/rock/big Z and try out other players who are performing in domestic crikcet but if the team management is not interested in that then why dont we just take roqibul in the squad? He should definitely be playing over Zunaed..he wouldve done much better then him yesterday..
I agree; Rokibul has been dropped because of his performance in NZ tour. On Zunaed, his recent dismissal was sort of due to bad luck; so was Mahmudullah's - he got out before judging the line and bounce on the first ball.
We should drop players who are clearly inconsistent - Ash fits in this catgory. Aftab and Zuaned may be the next in this category.
Mashrafee was rusty becasue of his long lay-off, yet he is an intelligent bowler, and in ODI he would be better than Rubel. We need an spinner who has venom and get wickets, like Graham Swann
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Old February 28, 2010, 10:05 PM
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zunaed looked so shaky when he came to bat yesterday. i dont know whether this was shown in the telecast. we in the stadium saw this. he came in. he was doing the normal stretching and running when he was coming. he came in the non-striker end. as england was setting field for tamim who was on strike then he started running towards the strikers end then back to non-striking end. i looked like he took two quick runs.

someone from the stands commented. "zunaed ajke duck marbo, tai aage vaagei dour diya lolilo"

and next over he was out when he played half volley staight to square leg.
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Old February 28, 2010, 10:05 PM
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Yes, Zunaed stays as specialist slip catcher. A catch is easily worth 25 runs.
But for the catch to be taken, the catch chance has to be created first. And the catches are not that hard usually and Z isnt Rhodes. And if its worth 25 runs, I would rather have a batsman who can score more than that, I am sure anyone can take catches atleast close to Z's ones. But Z is a batsmen, who cant score, he cant stay in the team just for fielding.
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Old February 28, 2010, 10:07 PM
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Tiring!

This type of JLJ (Jodi Laigga Jay) idiocy is precisely what we've been doing all these years, from the highest echelons of BCB all the way down to forum/EA Cricket experts and trigger happy juveniles, at the expense of fixing the fundamentals often discussed here. Fundamentals that can give our young guys an opportunity to develop, mature and have a far better chance to sustain success at the highest level. Wake up, read a little, listen a little, think a little and look at the hard reality beyond the numbers, and patiently look beyond band-aid solutions, psychosomatic projection and wishful thinking, and downright ignorance about the sport at the highest level.

XYZ for ABC, and when ABC fail to deliver as expected, bring back XYZ before playing with all of the combination and permutations therein. If that doesn't work, then there's all of the other letters in the alphabet to play with. Sadly, International cricket isn't about the Roman alphabet at all, so to speak.
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Old February 28, 2010, 10:10 PM
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Lol. Who the hell is XYZ anyways?? I dont think there is anyone with a name starting with x in BD cricket .
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the NCL matches are running on so if we want to add somebody to this squad it has to be players from barisal and sylhet at this moment for the 2nd odi. other wise we can drop only two players as this is a 13 man squad.

well its possible to add two of our specialist batsman rockibul and shahadat in
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Old February 28, 2010, 11:01 PM
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Tiring!

This type of JLJ (Jodi Laigga Jay) idiocy is precisely what we've been doing all these years, from the highest echelons of BCB all the way down to forum/EA Cricket experts and trigger happy juveniles, at the expense of fixing the fundamentals often discussed here. Fundamentals that can give our young guys an opportunity to develop, mature and have a far better chance to sustain success at the highest level. Wake up, read a little, listen a little, think a little and look at the hard reality beyond the numbers, and patiently look beyond band-aid solutions, psychosomatic projection and wishful thinking, and downright ignorance about the sport at the highest level.

XYZ for ABC, and when ABC fail to deliver as expected, bring back XYZ before playing with all of the combination and permutations therein. If that doesn't work, then there's all of the other letters in the alphabet to play with. Sadly, International cricket isn't about the Roman alphabet at all, so to speak.
selection doesn't need to be difficult, you select the most talented and most consistent. ok it's not quite as simple as that, talent doesn't just mean being able to hit a boundary, they have to be talented technically, they have to have the eye to pick up the ball and they need the reflex's (attitude comes into it as well). it's a middle ground, the most taletned won't always be the most consistent and the most consistent won't always be the most talented, you pick the ones who have the best quality of that combination.

what you say about the current selection is correct, they select a proven failure (ash), drop him when he inevitabley fails only to replace him with 2 other proven failures (aftab/junaid). we know what we get from these players, none of them have gone back to domestic cricket and improved their weaknesses/flaws so the selectors are bringing back the same failed player rather than a better version of them which is what should happen if a player is brought back to the team.

they may as well try new options rather than continued failures, those continued failures haven't been improving and until they do should not be back, meanwhile give the other options ago, at this point it can't hurt the team.
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But for the catch to be taken, the catch chance has to be created first. And the catches are not that hard usually and Z isnt Rhodes. And if its worth 25 runs, I would rather have a batsman who can score more than that, I am sure anyone can take catches atleast close to Z's ones. But Z is a batsmen, who cant score, he cant stay in the team just for fielding.
well if there is going to be at least 2 modon's in the team, my vote goes for Z. just because he can catch.
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....they select a proven failure (ash), drop him when he inevitabley fails only to replace him with 2 other proven failures (aftab/junaid). we know what we get from these players, none of them have gone back to domestic cricket and improved their weaknesses/flaws so the selectors are bringing back the same failed player rather than a better version of them which is what should happen if a player is brought back to the team.

they may as well try new options rather than continued failures, those continued failures haven't been improving and until they do should not be back, meanwhile give the other options ago, at this point it can't hurt the team.
Well said. They are changing players, but they are bringing back the wrong player at wrong time, betting with proven failures and hoping against hope for miracle to happen... which never happens. They need to trust their own local league a little bit and reward the constant performer regardless how lower standard is their local league.
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Burger bhai, you should join SS bhai, KP bhai and I in our quest for 37 duck burgers a piece. So far, all the ducks were stolen by Ashraful in the NCL and the Zimbabwean batsmen in the T20 against the West Indies. But we're confident that White Castle isn't out of reach.
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well if there is going to be at least 2 modon's in the team, my vote goes for Z. just because he can catch.
Why not remove both the modons?? Thats my vote

I am sure there are other better batsman, who can atleast be seen if they can perform in international stage. Rather than the modons failing all the time.
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Why not remove both the modons?? Thats my vote

I am sure there are other better batsman, who can atleast be seen if they can perform in international stage. Rather than the modons failing all the time.
for sure, we will never know unless we give them a chance. bring on nazmus, can hit boundaries but he averages over 36 in list A and generally does pretty well in the shorter format. he's an opener so should be able to bat anywhere in the order.
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Burger bhai, you should join SS bhai, KP bhai and I in our quest for 37 duck burgers a piece. So far, all the ducks were stolen by Ashraful in the NCL and the Zimbabwean batsmen in the T20 against the West Indies. But we're confident that White Castle isn't out of reach.
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According to Ntv news, Shuvo will play tomorrow. I will be happy if they drop one of Zunaed or Aftab instead of him. They should seriously consider Rubel for Mash too.

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