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July 25, 2010, 09:46 AM
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Ban vs Pak in England
Here's a comparison between how Bangladesh and Pakistan did in England.
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Bangladesh Pakistan
Batting Averages 25.07 23.64
High Score 382 289
Low score 123 148
Fifties 4 4
100's 2 0
Now this is against an experienced Anderson, a talented finn and of course their trump card Swann.
Pakistan had to face a bunch of rookies (in test level) like Doghie, Hilfy, and Smithy and Johson was in horrendous form.
Conditions: BD had to play in overcast conditions and England were offered lights by umpires unfairly (while Prior came and looked uncomfortable. He and bell built on a match winning p'ship).
Pakistan and Aus too had to play in overcast conditions. Punter even chose to bat first in overcast conditions Pakistan had to bat mostly under the sun than BD. There was a bit more swing in the pitch, though.
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July 25, 2010, 09:55 AM
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Sort of biased analysis, I do not think Hilfy/Douggy/johnson are much short of a world class bowling line up. Though i believe the Anderson/broad/swann line up is better in England. But then again, batting isn't Pakistan's main strength now, not by a long shot.
Another thing that you should consider, Bangladesh had a horrid 2nd innings at old trafford, when the conditions were nightmarish, so that definitely brought down the averages
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July 25, 2010, 10:05 AM
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thing is that pakistan might suck at batting but they have a finest quality bowling attack which we don't have
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July 25, 2010, 10:13 AM
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You forgot PAK 1-1 and BD 0-2.
What is your conclusion by the way? We are a better team than PAK?
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July 25, 2010, 10:16 AM
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Lamisa, it was a batting comparaison.
Maybe Shakibrulz shld precise it.
Anyway,I had the same thoughts in mind & I entirely agree with Shakibrulz.
We batted better & comparing to the Eng bowling attack,the Aussie were poor & Mitchelle was worse than any bowler I have seen lately.:shock:
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When I looked at the thread. I thought we are probably playing Pakistan in England next year.
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July 25, 2010, 10:19 AM
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A wiseman once said "another man's weakness is not your strength"
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man I envy some of you guys. I wish I could shut my brain off and buy into this delusion that we are just as good or better than the other test nations.
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July 25, 2010, 10:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raynman
man I envy some of you guys. I wish I could shut my brain off and buy into this delusion that we are just as good or better than the other test nations.
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You are right, comparing another 2 team to find our strength is not the right way.
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July 25, 2010, 10:58 AM
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man I envy some of you guys. I wish I could shut my brain off and buy into this delusion that we are just as good or better than the other test nations.
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LOL..the above view is clearly too extreme, but in terms of measuring progress some of us compartmentalize, we keep our performances in tests separate from that in ODI/T20 as we believe they are totally different beasts. I know your perspective on the importance of ODI/T20, so no quarrels there, but I do find it shocking when many try to undermine the importance of the shorter versions of the game by claiming test is the only "real form" of cricket and yet go around judging the team based on ODI/T20 performances despite the different formats requiring different sets of agenda, planning, mindset, coaching to acheive success.
Quick question to anybody who knows the answer: So DW's last assignment as coach was the series against India in '07 and JS's first assignment was the NZ series, now who coached bd team during their visit to SL?
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July 25, 2010, 12:04 PM
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man I envy some of you guys. I wish I could shut my brain off and buy into this delusion that we are just as good or better than the other test nations.
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You can't be a logical person and at same time wasting so much time following such a poor team
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July 25, 2010, 12:31 PM
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Sort of biased analysis, I do not think Hilfy/Douggy/johnson are much short of a world class bowling line up. Though i believe the Anderson/broad/swann line up is better in England. But then again, batting isn't Pakistan's main strength now, not by a long shot.
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Hilfy and Doughy are not bad at all, but still they're rookies @ intl. level (in tests). Johnson is in horrendous form, he couldn't just get his line and length right if you followed the match. Shane watson got wickets because he just kept it a bit more tighter, that's all. Rest of them bowled waywardly, sans Hilfy.
Another thing that you should consider, Bangladesh had a horrid 2nd innings at old trafford, when the conditions were nightmarish, so that definitely brought down the averages[/QUOTE]
Yep.
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July 25, 2010, 12:33 PM
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You forgot PAK 1-1 and BD 0-2.
What is your conclusion by the way? We are a better team than PAK?
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Point? It's time to get over the Siddons and batsmen bashing. Batsmen are doing just fine (maybe not exceptional, still just fine), compared to a H8 nation. it's the bowling which is a concerning, and this point is conveniently ignored by everyone.
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And what you are trying to prove?
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July 25, 2010, 12:37 PM
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A wiseman once said "another man's weakness is not your strength"
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Nope, but it's better to stop whining for a moment and accept that the team despite being young has improved a LOT in the batting department. Pakistan's batting is not that weak, but their strength is bowling, and they compensated their weakness with that. It's time for BD to do that too.
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July 25, 2010, 12:43 PM
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And what you are trying to prove?
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That whining's going way OTT these days, as if the whole team (esp. batsmen) were some pathetic bunch of losers.
Thought that was kinda obvious.
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July 25, 2010, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by shakibrulz
Point? It's time to get over the Siddons and batsmen bashing. Batsmen are doing just fine (maybe not exceptional, still just fine), compared to a H8 nation. it's the bowling which is a concerning, and this point is conveniently ignored by everyone.
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Exactly. Let's get a head coach who realizes that cricket is played in three formats and requires bowling and fielding and keeping to win
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July 25, 2010, 03:20 PM
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all the success depend in our bowling.
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I dont think aussie attack is worse than england. England is winning atm doesnt mean aussiesare worse than them
johnson, siddle, bollinger,hauritz, tait, nannes, haris can shine anyday without notice
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Hahaha... such a poor analogy. Bangladesh got thrashed 2-0 and Pakistan drew 1-1. Result speaks for itself.
Absolutely Siddonesque analogy.
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It's not rocket science to figure out what he is trying to say, is it?! Batting-wise we did better than Pakistan in England against a better (according to shakibrulz and concurred by me) bowling attack. Pakistan won simply because of their bowlers. If Pakistan's level of bowling was at par with us then they would have suffered much more heavier defeats than us. And similarly if our bowling attack was near Pakistan's we would have won a Test match as well.
Conclusion: We need to improve our bowling or find better bowlers to win Test matches.
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That whining's going way OTT these days, as if the whole team (esp. batsmen) were some pathetic bunch of losers.
Thought that was kinda obvious.
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I think they forgot to take their anti-depressants today.
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Exactly. Let's get a head coach who realizes that cricket is played in three formats and requires bowling and fielding and keeping to win
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You think Aamer and Asif were coached to the level they are at today? We simply do not have the talent of a Mohammad Aamer in the country. And you can't expect the likes of Rubel Hossain to perform like Aamers.
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We have fathomed in test batting, nobody denies that in BC. But we have not reached the potential to focus on only batting and win a match, which is a yes for India most cases.
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Pakistan had to face a bunch of rookies (in test level) like Doghie, Hilfy, and Smithy and Johson was in horrendous form.
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why dont u draw a comparison between the batting lineups between BD and Pak
BD played a more or less settled batting line up consissting of batsmen who have played for the last few years regularly.
while pakistan had 3-4 rookies in their line up.
when u call hilfenahaus, bollinger rookie ..... then what u call the batting lineup of umar amin, ajhar ali, recalled imran farhat ???
that Rookie PAK batting line up did fair enough.
and when i consider that the top 3 for BD averaged 34+ and the rest averaged below 20 that makes me feel we did not do well.
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Originally Posted by Equinox
It's not rocket science to figure out what he is trying to say, is it?! Batting-wise we did better than Pakistan in England against a better (according to shakibrulz and concurred by me) bowling attack. Pakistan won simply because of their bowlers. If Pakistan's level of bowling was at par with us then they would have suffered much more heavier defeats than us. And similarly if our bowling attack was near Pakistan's we would have won a Test match as well.
Conclusion: We need to improve our bowling or find better bowlers to win Test matches.
I think they forgot to take their anti-depressants today.
You think Aamer and Asif were coached to the level they are at today? We simply do not have the talent of a Mohammad Aamer in the country. And you can't expect the likes of Rubel Hossain to perform like Aamers.
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THIS.
Phew, thanks for saving me a lot of time there, equinox.
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why dont u draw a comparison between the batting lineups between BD and Pak
BD played a more or less settled batting line up consissting of batsmen who have played for the last few years regularly.
while pakistan had 3-4 rookies in their line up.
when u call hilfenahaus, bollinger rookie ..... then what u call the batting lineup of umar amin, ajhar ali, recalled imran farhat ???
that Rookie PAK batting line up did fair enough.
and when i consider that the top 3 for BD averaged 34+ and the rest averaged below 20 that makes me feel we did not do well.
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Recalled Imran farhat? The guy played the NZ series, the Aus series in Aus.. What is that 2 year gap you are talking about?
And Jahurul played hardly 3 matches. Junaid and Imrul played like what 10 matches or so? Nothing more than Kamran, Umar, Salman, Malik, etc.
I agree about Amin and Azhar, totally forgot to mention that. Anyways my point is not to hail BD as better than Pak or something, read the post above by equinox.
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ohh man....thread title is so damn misleading !!! i thought BD would be playing against Paki in England...if this thread was some kind of joke, then u got me !
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