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Old March 23, 2013, 03:29 PM
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Default Should BCB Fire Shane Jurgensen?

I was very supportive of Shane Jurgensen at first. however, I have decided to agree with members here in BC that he is utterly a poor bowling coach. Bangladeshi pacers have shown NO sign of improvement under his leadership. in my honest opinion, he was very lucky that he got head coach role for one year. He does not deserve to coach bangladesh. Then again, no coach had any success in overseas condition. I want to know people's opinion on what he actually does and has the pace bowling improved or declined in performance under his leadership?
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Old March 23, 2013, 09:45 PM
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Abar Jigay. He should be fired all the way back to Australia. We have had some good Aussie coaches but he ain't one of them.
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Old March 23, 2013, 09:47 PM
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Old March 23, 2013, 09:51 PM
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We are not going to get a very good coach to commit to us for long term. I think in the recent past we tried with Law and Pybus but it didn't work out. To sort out our bowling issues we could organize bowling camps with a high profile bowler like Wasim, Waqar or Mcgrath. I think people wouldn't mind to work with us for a short time and that's what we should aim for.
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Old March 23, 2013, 10:11 PM
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Well batting seems to be clicking, we are batting a plan, a clear purpose. We havent batted this well against Sri Lanka in the past.

Its hard to understand our bowling issues. Its easy to direct all frustration to the coach. But what can a coach do when your most experienced bowler who has 195 wickets bowls like an amateur. And selectors picking Shahadat Hossain to replace Nazmul? Just gives you a picture of the entire situation. Everyone is at fault here-the players, the coach, the selectors, BCB.
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We are not going to get a very good coach to commit to us for long term. I think in the recent past we tried with Law and Pybus but it didn't work out. To sort out our bowling issues we could organize bowling camps with a high profile bowler like Wasim, Waqar or Mcgrath. I think people wouldn't mind to work with us for a short time and that's what we should aim for.
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Well batting seems to be clicking, we are batting a plan, a clear purpose. We havent batted this well against Sri Lanka in the past.

Its hard to understand our bowling issues. Its easy to direct all frustration to the coach. But what can a coach do when your most experienced bowler who has 195 wickets bowls like an amateur. And selectors picking Shahadat Hossain to replace Nazmul? Just gives you a picture of the entire situation. Everyone is at fault here-the players, the coach, the selectors, BCB.
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We need a McGrath to teach our "Abuls" how to bowl maintaining line and length - just the basics.
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We need a McGrath to teach our "Abuls" how to bowl maintaining line and length - just the basics.
Bro, I good teacher by definition is someone who can effectively TEACH. Be it a skill, the enhancement of a preexisting skill or the rectification of flaws and then inspire proper application in the middle. The players too must have the desire to learn and work hard on their own, both physically and mentally, to upgrade their game. Most Bangladeshi players seldom do when it comes to bowling and fielding. Batsmen who work hard on their own, guys like Sir, JuSi, KaEdge and Da Rock for example, can't seem to learn anything no matter how hard they try. A coach can do only so much babysitting and only for so long in the only test playing nation where players need to come into the national team to learn the basics before our domestic FC and List A are non-competitive, farcical and inadequate affairs where you can get away with being crap while piling up undeserved FC and List A stats without those basics.

The ability to actually teach and inspire are the most important skills for an EFFECTIVE coach, not their mad skills as former players. What makes us think that a former player who showed great skill in his playing days will be a effective coach as well?
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Old March 23, 2013, 10:35 PM
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It is a bad practice to fire coaches every now n then. He isn't experienced enough, and we very much knew it before hiring him. To me, he is doing ok. Let him finish his contracted period, and hope he will deliver better.
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We already had an Ian McPont and I did see an immediate impact on our pace bowlers. Even of Rubel and Shahadat that we are thinking of consigning to permanent exile or worse.
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We already had an Ian McPont and I did see an immediate impact on our pace bowlers. Even of Rubel and Shahadat that we are thinking of consigning to permanent exile or worse.
This! As banfan pointed out nicely, SJ has not much to offer for this team as a head coach or a bowling coach. For those who thinks there is no one better out there who would be interested, I have a few suggestions: Ian Pont and McInnes.
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This! As banfan pointed out nicely, SJ has not much to offer for this team as a head coach or a bowling coach. For those who thinks there is no one better out there who would be interested, I have a few suggestions: Ian Pont and McInnes.
I also doubt about SJ's choice of pacers for last ODI. i would not even consider shahdat for any ODI or T20 match no matter how worst the situation is.
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This! As banfan pointed out nicely, SJ has not much to offer for this team as a head coach or a bowling coach. For those who thinks there is no one better out there who would be interested, I have a few suggestions: Ian Pont and McInnes.
1. Fans don't choose nor they have any say on who is to coach a national team.

2. Our coach has a year contract with BCB. Unless he resigns, you and others can't get your wish fulfilled - which I doubt will happen. The current team results show he deserves something good instead of this 'fire him' thread.
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Old March 23, 2013, 11:07 PM
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Coach gets a big F in all departments! team selection is an uttter failure: our selectors are clueless but the coach has the final say on team selection. he must select the team based on our Strength which is Spin! His 3 pacer selection was the main reason for our loss in Test.
Imagine we had Enamul, Mosharraf Rubel, Saqlain, Gazi instead of Rubel, Abul, Robiul? No way I see how we lose 2nd Test.

He has abdolutely no leadesrship skill. He is like a YES man to our star players and listen to whatever our clueless selectors has to tell him. Under his coaching our captaincy sucks big time.

As a bowling coach he was fired from New Zealand and you can all see why. He is total failure. Under Pont we made solid progress, he just ruined it.

People who thinks he can't be replaced must realized no one is irreplaceable in this world. BCB can either hire easily hire big name coaching staff series by series, or just just need to spend more through corporate sponsorships. Batting is improving due to the new batting coach, SJ has nothing to do with it.

I for one firmly believe SJ should be fired as he failed and he will continue to fail. He might be a nice guy but he simply won't be able to take this team anywhere.
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Pacers should not behave like a herd of sheep being told what to do every single day or match situation. Rubel has receved coaching from Pont and so he knows what he needs to do at the nets. They should be able to assess the opposition batters strengths and weaknesses and develop gameplans to get them out. Running in hard and bowling short balls and acting surprised when the ball disappears to the boundary is not a gameplan. We need a pace bowling coach but we also need bowlers who can think by themselves and work on their own skills.
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Pacers should not behave like a herd of sheep being told what to do every single day or match situation. Rubel has receved coaching from Pont and so he knows what he needs to do at the nets. They should be able to assess the opposition batters strengths and weaknesses and develop gameplans to get them out. Running in hard and bowling short balls and acting surprised when the ball disappears to the boundary is not a gameplan. We need a pace bowling coach but we also need bowlers who can think by themselves and work on their own skills.
The only two pacers bowlers who have shown this ability are Mash and Shafiul, and also the stepson. The other pacers don't have it. The only way they might bowl better if there is a real pace bowling coach working with them.
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The only two pacers bowlers who have shown this ability are Mash and Shafiul, and also the stepson. The other pacers don't have it. The only way they might bowl better if there is a real pace bowling coach working with them.
That's the point. SJ is our pace bowling coach for last over two years and he has failed to impact the pacer big time and even they have deteriorated from where Ian left them. S he has proven to be a crap in his own trade as a coach.

So a guy failed in his own department, can't just be assumed that he is behind our success as a team. Unless you can point that he did xx and that's why we have result yy.. Pure assumptions will be illogical due to his failure as the pace bowling coach.

The team started performing since Asia Cup under law...so it more logical to say that the team is just going through that motion or we have already achieved a standard that we will sustain irrespective of a head coach. If the head coach would be contributing, we should see marked improvement from Asia cup performance.

And if you go by departments, lets check where SJ is impacting the team and how much credit he should be given for these wins:

1. Pace Bowling: big negative for him
2. Spin Bowling: he has no business there
3. Fielding: has no business
4. Batting: I see him failing to fix problems of Mullah for example.... And pretty much regular guys performing. So can't give him much credit
5. Team strategies: he has shown major failures here, by picking 3 pacers, weird team combinations and batting orders were weird many times.. Didn't see any pro level strategies on display.
6. Misc: the only place I find he can be credited; he pursues a policy of non interference and allowing Mushy to work with all the freedom as he wants. If that's the only reason, team is winning the matches, then not having a coach could be even better.

As, he doesn't impact the team in any manner, so firing him, shouldn't matter to the team's performance...case closed.

NB: But well, since he has neither negative impact on the team, he can continue while we find out a good pace bowling coach and a head coach, who will impact the team positively; that will lift our team performance...while we will be floating as a team like this under him, with just the natural progression...
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Pacers should not behave like a herd of sheep being told what to do every single day or match situation. Rubel has receved coaching from Pont and so he knows what he needs to do at the nets. They should be able to assess the opposition batters strengths and weaknesses and develop gameplans to get them out. Running in hard and bowling short balls and acting surprised when the ball disappears to the boundary is not a gameplan. We need a pace bowling coach but we also need bowlers who can think by themselves and work on their own skills.
Well said brother. Sth all of us need the realize. Look at the brilliant application from the batsmen. Do we have a world class batting coach? No guys like Nasir learn from their experience and keep improving. They use intelligence when batting. We need bowlers who can do the same.
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Well said brother. Sth all of us need the realize. Look at the brilliant application from the batsmen. Do we have a world class batting coach? No guys like Nasir learn from their experience and keep improving. They use intelligence when batting. We need bowlers who can do the same.
We only have two of that mold, Mash and Shafiul. Rubel and Abul has the physical capability, but not the rest of the package.
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Now, I'm not a huge fan of SJ but firing him is unnecessary because that in itself won't solve the issues we're witnessing out there. The combination of our bowling and fielding has regressed by a decade and we obviously need coaches of Ian and Julian's quality to stop the slide and start moving forward again. Both have proven themselves to be effective with our players in those areas AND BEYOND (the bunt and run strike rotation drills while JS was on vaca for example).

BCB already has the reputation of being the passive aggressive and unprofessional boss it is and that, coupled with the negative image of Dhaka in particular and Bangladesh in general make Bangladesh an unattractive place of employment. There are coaches who simply want the money and are willing to serve their time in purgatory with lots of paid escapes abroad. I'm not sure whether such opportunists have the passion and commitment to make the difference we want to see. Those who do are unlikely to tolerate BCB's extra contractual BS and two stepping, and therefore last long.

Blaming the coach alone for team selection is utterly unfair. Blame selectors for that. The starting XI is selected by team management and the Captain plays a decisive role in that. Then there are all those phone calls from "upstairs" to deal with.
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Some Stats @ Home V West Indies (Pacer)

Test Series: West Indies Pacers

1. Tino Best (12 Wickets)
2. Fidel Edwards (7 Wicket)

Test Series: Bangladeshi Pacers:

1. Rubel Hossain (4 Wickets)
2. Shahadat Hossain (1 wicket)
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Some Stats @ Home V West Indies (Pacer)

Test Series: West Indies Pacers

1. Tino Best (12 Wickets)
2. Fidel Edwards (7 Wicket)

Test Series: Bangladeshi Pacers:

1. Rubel Hossain (4 Wickets)
2. Shahadat Hossain (1 wicket)
Can you give the SL fast bowlers and BD fast bowlers for the current series.

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Can you give the SL fast bowlers and BD fast bowlers for the current series.

Kisu kisu manush'rey monay hoi agey duita ..lagai tar por kotha. Jotto shob.
Test Series V Sri Lanka (SL Pacers)

1. RMS Eranga (6 wickets @ 66.6 SR)
2. KMDN Kulasekara ( 5 Wickets @ 73.2 SR)

Test Series V Sri Lanka (BD Pacers)

1. Abul Hasan ( 3 wickets @ 128.0 SR)
2. Shahadat Hossain (1 wicket @ 180 SR)

Both Robiul and Rubel stats not included as they did not play first test. In the first test pacers of Sri Lanka dominated our pacers on a batting paradise. I think Bangladesh pacers deserves credit for the second test as they did better than SL pacers, then again should SJ take credit for Robiul?
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Can I apply for coaching role if they fire Shane ?
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Oh no, here we go again with the bandwagon threads. Just coz of one bad ODI we need to fire Shane Jurgensen?

No I think Shane Jurgensen is doing an ok job, and at least he wants the job unlike the previous two coaches.
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