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Old July 9, 2007, 09:42 AM
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As Rubu mention contininuty play is over rated for a country like us. But still out of 36 onedays he played 11 ODI at a trot in 2001/2 and 2002/3 season and 9 ODI at a trot in 2005 season.
Can you provide in a reason why one would continue with a batsman who has one score in double digit in eight innings?
Like Alok he is becoming a poster boy of media and fans
Ok so 9 matches and 8 matches r all you need to judge a player. fine. then please drop our captain. And btw this is TEST not ODI. Most of our batsmen doesn't even have a clure (example Sakib) and we put him in the team just to see... And when he got those chance he got dropped deservedly. Now there were tons of players dropped like him from 2001 to 2003. how many r still playing? where r those middle order players like what's his name now doing flight attending instead of playing. Since 2003 after 3 years he is scoring runs with A team when other in that same A team can't even score a 50 and still gets in (example Mehrab Jr.) and you want to tell me that because he could do anything in some ODI 3/4 years ago we will not pick him? Oh btw If shumon showed us in the 1st test that we can attack test bowlers then he showed all of us yes we can attack the world champions in his 23/30 score that he made against australia which we won but the first attack was started by him.

Anyway I wouldn't care if we had tons of players like big team does. but all our new comes can't do anything but they r more talented than tusher. And you know what will happen in 3 years, some fans will say oh sakib got enough chance in TEST so he shouldn't get any more just like tusher is getting now. but we all know how good Sakib is he just needs to have a lot of 4 days games under his belt before he can come back good just like Tusher did.

Beside if don't give a decent chance (not 1 or 2 games here and there) to Tusher then why would any dropped player play good to come back because they will think oh well after so many scores if Tusher can't get in then what's the point.

Please see the big picture here instead of the narrow view.

We may not win a TEST in 5 years(hope that's not true) But we should make sure that there is a proper way for players to build there mentality and come back path after getting dropped
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Old July 9, 2007, 10:09 AM
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Interesting point raised by akabir77. Lets not forget Tushar's 24 at cardiff followed by a brisk 32 later against England in that series before he had been dropped from the onedayers as well. Important to note that Tushars last test performance had been against the lankans at lanka (similar circumstances) where BD had been bowled out for just 188 and 82. I don't know if Tushar's score of 0 and 3 in that low scoring match was enough to justify his exclusion from tests for the next two years. I think bringing in Tushar for the last test match is part of another hoax where the management is setting him up for another 2 years without tests.
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Old July 9, 2007, 10:24 AM
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Tushar will be totally out of sort...Can you imagine Murali with big eyeball and fierce smile bowling to you when you are under pressure to score. Not to mention, pacers who are way better than our bowlers bowling at you. Tushar can only survive if he can overcome the mental block and after scoring few runs, he should be fine! But I don't think SL bowlers will let him go up to that confidence level to play sensibly, and will get him out.
There has to be something critically wrong that caused us scoring so less in first two innings in first two test. SL bowlers are so clever enought to find that but unfortunately not our team nor us even know the reason behind that. Is it pitch, bowl movement, or playing in backfoot, what could be the reason that all t he batsmen fail to score decent runs? Tushar unless a different type of batsmen unlike our top and middle order can survive, otherwise his fate will be same
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Old July 9, 2007, 10:26 AM
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Great post Akabir77 bhai. Tushar is one of the player I respect because of his hard work and consistency in domestic cricket and A level. He is one of the very few players in our team who had to really work hard for their place in the national team and if he can cement his place in the team this time, we will clearly see the difference between choosing someone from under-19 team and choosing someone who had enough domestic cricket experience and had to score lots of runs before being a permanent member in the national team. I pray for him.
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Old July 9, 2007, 10:31 AM
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Tushar will be totally out of sort...Can you imagine Murali with big eyeball and fierce smile bowling to you when you are under pressure to score.
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Old July 9, 2007, 11:18 AM
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Inclusion of players within an on-going series is nothing new. Teams always searched in their home bank whenever there was a scarcity of performance. Replacement was necessary and Aftab's inability to play quality spin left selectors with no choice but TI or AK. Definitely Faruk "sees" more prospect in TI than AK (that can be another debate: in the quest of the best from the dressing room).
Interesting post bro. Again I find myself agreeing with most of what you're saying.

But new inclusions due to injury? Yes. Due to bad selection and/or incompetence? Je ne sais pas. The F-word "seeing" things? Let's just call it the cavalier disregard for details typical of his selections ... Anger Management 101.

47 test cricketers in 48 test matches, that's beyond cavalier in fact. That's a gunslinging gangsta without a clue, and unlimited ammo for his 9mm Beretta.

That said, best of luck Tush ... you'll need it.
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Old July 9, 2007, 01:12 PM
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Understandably, the question has been raised whether this one-match performance would be a criteria for the selectors to make a conclusion on his future.

Selector Akram Khan, who is touring with the team, however, assured a fair treatment.

"Just forget what happened in the past. We hope he will give his best if he ultimately plays the match and I can assure you that his performance here will not be decisive for future selection. He will get the fair treatment,” said the former Bangladesh captain.

Akram have had the experience of joining the team in the middle of the tournament during the 2003 World Cup in South Africa and he is very much aware of how difficult it is for a batsman.

"No doubt it's a big pressure for a batsman but you should cope with this at this level. But Tushar has an advantage as he is considered for the one-day squad,” he explained.

Akram meanwhile, was not ready to explain their U-turn about the inform batsman, whose exclusion from the Test squad had raised a lot of eyebrows.

Chief selector Faruque then defended that Tushar was given enough chance but failed to prove his worth but suddenly, the selectors found that Tushar is an inform batsman who can rescue the team from batting debacles.

"Actually we considered him after our unexpected failure of the top order batting. We thought that Tushar would be a good choice to strengthen the batting," Akram told.
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Did he really got enough chances??? This Faruiqqa is really getting on my nerves...for his nonsense talkings..

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Old July 9, 2007, 03:02 PM
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It is wriiten that if Habla does well in the last test he may be retained for the ODIs. WHat had Habla's test performance to do with him selected for ODIs.
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Old July 9, 2007, 04:15 PM
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Did he really got enough chances??? This Faruiqqa is really getting on my nerves...for his nonsense talkings..
What else can you expect from a "boka" selector? They learn after the game is over, little brainwork is evident. They are sending Tushar after 2 tests! This kind of moronic decistion tells they are clueless. Putting Tushar in the middle of the series most likely will not do any good.
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Old July 9, 2007, 05:02 PM
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Too many WATCH OUT player in BD team..... Bagh Ailoo Bagh Ailoo... Bagh to ar Ayee Na.
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Old July 9, 2007, 05:52 PM
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First and foremost, most of the wickets that we lost were due to excellent bowling not because players were flashing around like they used to. God forbid, if they still did those pathetic flashing outside the off-stumps, we wouldve been out in 20 runs max. We didnt and thats because in most cases the players did actually try to play positively ( okay, maybe not always, Shahrier/Rafique).

One thing we, most of the fans and Bangaldesh officials are accomplice in this wrong, totally ignored was how pathetic our bowling was. This prompted Rafique to admit that this tour was his worst ever and he doesnt expect that the 3rd one to be better either ( thats something needs discussion, BTW). We allowed Sri Lanka to score freely against our unimaginative and truly lack lustre bowling. Its not like we were dropping catches or so many lbws were not given ( after all Ashoka is not umpiring). So, bringing Tusher can solve a partial problem... Unless Mashrafee/Rafique start getting more wickets,, the results are the same. Yes, we can attempt to hold out for a draw but for that,, even the bottom 5 needs to hold the turf which with Rafique hitting for 6s was an example of what we cant do. All in all, unless the tail also contribute with batting and the bowlers take atleast 5-6 wickts as they used to,,, bringing Tusher is still a Bashar-isque defensive idea which sometimes work but mostly are FFF (fails flat on face)
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Old July 10, 2007, 09:57 AM
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First and foremost, most of the wickets that we lost were due to excellent bowling not because players were flashing around like they used to. God forbid, if they still did those pathetic flashing outside the off-stumps, we wouldve been out in 20 runs max. We didnt and thats because in most cases the players did actually try to play positively ( okay, maybe not always, Shahrier/Rafique).

One thing we, most of the fans and Bangaldesh officials are accomplice in this wrong, totally ignored was how pathetic our bowling was. This prompted Rafique to admit that this tour was his worst ever and he doesnt expect that the 3rd one to be better either ( thats something needs discussion, BTW). We allowed Sri Lanka to score freely against our unimaginative and truly lack lustre bowling. Its not like we were dropping catches or so many lbws were not given ( after all Ashoka is not umpiring). So, bringing Tusher can solve a partial problem... Unless Mashrafee/Rafique start getting more wickets,, the results are the same. Yes, we can attempt to hold out for a draw but for that,, even the bottom 5 needs to hold the turf which with Rafique hitting for 6s was an example of what we cant do. All in all, unless the tail also contribute with batting and the bowlers take atleast 5-6 wickts as they used to,,, bringing Tusher is still a Bashar-isque defensive idea which sometimes work but mostly are FFF (fails flat on face)
Bhairey Bowler ra ki bhabey 88 and 69 defend korbey aktu boila diben? agey batting ta thik houk 300+ koruk then boilen jey bollara kharap na bhalo. SL batsmen der upor kono run korar pressure nai to out hobey kemney. ato r BD batsmen na jey ekta bhalo ball hoiley out hoiya jabey ba ekta 4 marar por r ekta martey giya out hobey....
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Old July 10, 2007, 10:20 AM
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Bhairey Bowler ra ki bhabey 88 and 69 defend korbey aktu boila diben? agey batting ta thik houk 300+ koruk then boilen jey bollara kharap na bhalo. SL batsmen der upor kono run korar pressure nai to out hobey kemney. ato r BD batsmen na jey ekta bhalo ball hoiley out hoiya jabey ba ekta 4 marar por r ekta martey giya out hobey....
I understand the fact that bowlers had no run to work with and batsmen didn't give them any total to defend. But still the way they bowled was not acceptable. Vaas has scored his first century. Four century in a innings in back to back test matches? Our bowlers are doing no better than our batsmen but getting escaped from the criticism that our batsmen face so often. Mashrafee gets benefit of doubt every now and then for his injury concern and Rafique has been terrible and not to mention Razzak, Sharif and all other bowlers except Shahadat.
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There is no disagreement that the batters were their worst,, the scores pretty much says it all. But if you consider the total test,, then I think bowlers also did terrible. I dont buy Rafique's argument that he didnt have a decent run to defend.. say what? is this ODI series that he was defending a score? His job was to take wickets not to restrict runs. The fielding placement for Rafique made us thought maybe Bashar is in charge with no attacks within the circle.. the worst part is when Rafique admits his continued defficiency before the test starts tomorrow. Rafique is one of the most dedicated soul in Bangladesh cricket and if he thinks that he cant take wicket,, I am not so sure what to expect. Again,, the batters did not help the cause but the bowlers also ensured tht every one in Sri Lankan team can hope for a century against Banglladesh,, that not getting that 3 digit score was a failure ( as Tony Greig was mentioning again and again). Thats the part that I think,, Tusher can't help. He can score his own century, build a partnership, defy the Lankan bowlers for longer than Sakib/Mehrab/Pilot,, but the real issue is still the fact that, we dont have the champion bowlers like Malinga/Murli/Vaas... We dont have a "Ashraful" in our bowling squad,
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