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February 26, 2008, 09:58 AM
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Siddon's post match comments are disgraceful and detrimental for BD cricket
I was shocked to read this. 8 years???? we need miracle to win? if thats his attitude then how can young players believe they can win. We were only 50 runs short of winning, how is a miracle required, rather a half century from just a batsmen. Im disgusted with siddons comments. It is rude, discouraging for players and a bad attitude. Get rid of him, he's a mockery. No one speaks like that about their coaching team. We need to realise this.
Following their five-wicket defeat in the first Test, Jamie Siddons, the Bangladesh coach, said he does not expect his side to beat South Africa unless a miracle occurs.
Siddons said the Bangladesh batsmen were not used to batting against the sort of pace generated by South Africa's fast bowlers. "They [the batsmen] go from playing for their clubs in the National League to trying to take on the best fast bowler in the world. [Dale] Steyn kept striking in the first few overs and we never recovered. We spent the [whole] Test trying to recover all the time. He [Steyn] ripped us apart in the second innings with 150 kph outswingers [to the right-handers] or inswingers to the left-handers."
"When your batsmen are out of confidence and having to play against Steyn, Morne Morkel or Makhaya Ntini, that is a tough assignment. The pressure they transmitted is too much for our batsmen at the moment. Their bowlers were just too good for our batsmen."
Despite the loss, Siddons was not keen on changing the squad for the second Test. "You've got to give young players time. I think they have the talent to improve, even if it takes eight years.
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February 26, 2008, 10:05 AM
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February 26, 2008, 10:07 AM
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Truth hurts, eh? real deep? Where did he touch you?
Its incredibly unfair to link his decision on sticking wholly with the first test team and him predicting about the younger and future players. Jamie Siddons is correct in everything he said, and it is NOT disgraceful and detrimental because its true. It should be everyone's focus to improve from this state, not condemn him for stating what is true!
I'll tell you what was disgraceful: the way us fans got all overjoyed with rajib's wonders in the 1st innings, and Junaid's 64* at stumps of the SECOND DAY. This is Test cricket, and you guys let yourselves down thinking that we'd sustain it for three more days!
There were other things that were detrimental too: The poor team selection, HaBa's inclusion, Mashrafee not being his best, Mushfique not being the cleanest behind the stumps, and the consistently collapsing batting line up.
Wake up everyone.
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February 26, 2008, 10:07 AM
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I agree with Siddon on all his comments except not changing the team. Someone please tell me... I know that our bawlers can't go over 135 or such, but how come we can't produce the speed with machine?
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February 26, 2008, 10:10 AM
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Yes he is correct. Junaid is a miracle landed in our lap out of nowhere. Don't know how long this will last (See SN). Enjoying the ride anyways.
With current teams performance we need another few miracles to happen.
1) Selectors get in to senses (Will never happen unless a miracle ...) I am ready to see HB in the team for the entire 2008 season. May be he will get a recall in ODIs who knows. Three cheers for the selectors hip!! hip!! ....(why are you guys silent?)
2) Ash's mental lapse while batting (So many years has passed still having mental lapse. Only miraculously that can be fixed)
3) Mash's recovery (coming back to form). When did he have a significance bowling performance in test last time? Didn't he say he needs to learn reverse swing from Malinga last time we toured SL? (need a miracle to get a Mash with fire under his belly) He psychologically knows before hand when we can and can not win a test. Way to go VC. His bowling action with arm tucked in does not help either. Where is his follow through swinging left arm? Injury happens for a reason.
4) SN mediocre will continue unless he thinks 25 is not a good score.
You need more I can keep on typing. Just let me know.
Truth hurts!! That is what frustrated coach just said. Either the players prove him wrong or eat the dust. Time after time if players continue to do the same mistakes (throw away their wickets) what would a coach do? Bat himself?
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February 26, 2008, 10:35 AM
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Yes we need more. Keep on typing please.....
Siddon is comming from a different angle, not biased by any previous memories that we fans have for particular players. He is also not going to change his mind in a whimsical way that we fans often do based on which side of the bed we wake up. He will be patient, he knows reality and the limitation ( unlike fans who often confuses between reality and fantasy land) and will give enough time to the current players to correct themsleves. But when he will make up his mind about certain players, i.e. the players who refuse to learn from mistakes and refuse to adapt and improvise, there will be a point when these players will be in his dog house. And when they go to his dog house, these players will never see the light again as long as he is coaching. Its not going to be "dropped for one game" and returned back to the team, it will be "dropped for atleast few years".
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3) Mash's recovery (coming back to form). When did he have a significance bowling performance in test last time? Didn't he say he needs to learn reverse swing from Malinga last time we toured SL? (need a miracle to get a Mash with fire under his belly) He psychologically knows before hand when we can and can not win a test. Way to go VC. His bowling action with arm tucked in does not help either. Where is his follow through swinging left arm? Injury happens for a reason.
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Very well said Tiger's Eye!
Well Mashrafe did bowl well in the 2 test match series against New Zealand. He was trying to bowl with the speed of 131-133 kmph consistently in the second innings against South Africa which was not good enough.Why Mashrafe can't bowl with speed of 135-138 kmp with the new ball in his first spell ??? New ball will always have seam movement and Mashrafe should put more than 100% effort to bowl faster with good line and lenght in his first 5 overs. I saw him bowling consistently with speed of 135-140 kmp (85-88mph) recently against India. But he can't continue that performance in every match.
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Very well said Tiger's Eye!
Well Mashrafe did bowl well in the 2 test match series against New Zealand. He was trying to bowl with the speed of 131-133 kmph consistently in the second innings against South Africa which was not good enough.Why Mashrafe can't bowl with speed of 135-138 kmp with the new ball in his first spell ??? New ball will always have seam movement and Mashrafe should put more than 100% effort to bowl faster with good line and lenght in his first 5 overs. I saw him bowling consistently with speed of 135-140 kmp (85-88mph) recently against India. But he can't continue that performance in every match.
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February 27, 2008, 01:14 AM
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Havent seen any change since test status
Ithink we are exactly where we were when we dubiously got the test status. At least in the first test the team scored over 400 runs, although in the second innings, they were back to their actual self. I may sound cynical, but tell me how much money this poor nation has squandered in trying to pamper these idiots (called cricket players) in the form of procuring so called high profile coaches, equipment and other paraphernalia. A team like Amer Khan's (LAGAAN) wouldnt do much worse than what our great team has been consistently doing. Even if I (at this age) stood on the crease, I could probably have scored in at least double digits once in a while. Look at the performance of most of our batsmen. Their continuous scores have been in single digits (including Os) and only an occasional 20/30/40. Even the LAGAAN players could do that. So why have a coach, physios and other such thing worth crores when half the nation is starving? We can gather 11 people from anywhere to score around 100 runs and then bowl at the opponents and restrict them to 550/600 runs. Am I sounding too unrealistic? But ststistics affirm loudly my contentions. At least on a trial basis get rid of the coaches and see the results. It will not be any worse.
Then I think what good a coach is if he cant perform (ie improve the player's ability)? A player is dumped if he cant perform but the coach stays enjoying all the perks. If we look at our performance when we had no coach, it wasnt any worse than when we started having million dollar coaches.
So I suggest lets try for once a LAGAAN like team .
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Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
Yes he is correct. Junaid is a miracle landed in our lap out of nowhere. Don't know how long this will last (See SN). Enjoying the ride anyways.
With current teams performance we need another few miracles to happen.
1) Selectors get in to senses (Will never happen unless a miracle ...) I am ready to see HB in the team for the entire 2008 season. May be he will get a recall in ODIs who knows. Three cheers for the selectors hip!! hip!! ....(why are you guys silent?)
2) Ash's mental lapse while batting (So many years has passed still having mental lapse. Only miraculously that can be fixed)
3) Mash's recovery (coming back to form). When did he have a significance bowling performance in test last time? Didn't he say he needs to learn reverse swing from Malinga last time we toured SL? (need a miracle to get a Mash with fire under his belly) He psychologically knows before hand when we can and can not win a test. Way to go VC. His bowling action with arm tucked in does not help either. Where is his follow through swinging left arm? Injury happens for a reason.
4) SN mediocre will continue unless he thinks 25 is not a good score.
You need more I can keep on typing. Just let me know.
Truth hurts!! That is what frustrated coach just said. Either the players prove him wrong or eat the dust. Time after time if players continue to do the same mistakes (throw away their wickets) what would a coach do? Bat himself?
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If you feel hurt show it in your act ( performance ).
If they feel hurt & discouraged by those words ... no wonder why typical batting collapse going on and on once a wicket fall against big team. Either grow up or eat up those trash ... be it own coach or world media, legend. Its all about prove your worth in the game, get used to it.
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February 27, 2008, 01:50 AM
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Ithink we are exactly where we were when we dubiously got the test status. At least in the first test the team scored over 400 runs, although in the second innings, they were back to their actual self. I may sound cynical, but tell me how much money this poor nation has squandered in trying to pamper these idiots (called cricket players) in the form of procuring so called high profile coaches, equipment and other paraphernalia. A team like Amer Khan's (LAGAAN) wouldnt do much worse than what our great team has been consistently doing. Even if I (at this age) stood on the crease, I could probably have scored in at least double digits once in a while. Look at the performance of most of our batsmen. Their continuous scores have been in single digits (including Os) and only an occasional 20/30/40. Even the LAGAAN players could do that. So why have a coach, physios and other such thing worth crores when half the nation is starving? We can gather 11 people from anywhere to score around 100 runs and then bowl at the opponents and restrict them to 550/600 runs. Am I sounding too unrealistic? But ststistics affirm loudly my contentions. At least on a trial basis get rid of the coaches and see the results. It will not be any worse.
Then I think what good a coach is if he cant perform (ie improve the player's ability)? A player is dumped if he cant perform but the coach stays enjoying all the perks. If we look at our performance when we had no coach, it wasnt any worse than when we started having million dollar coaches.
So I suggest lets try for once a LAGAAN like team .
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Can I join? I think I can also score 10/20 occasionally. At least wont do any worse than our Sonar Chele
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Truth hurts but has to accept. Siddons is from a tough professional background where performance means all. The RIGHT MENTAL ATTITUDE makes them worlds best. This is a practice to observe every where at business, job, sports. The lacking of the RIGHT MENTAL ATTITUDE always downs us. The way he reacts I failed to find any disgrace or dishonored sort f element. NO ONE WILL GIVE YOU A SINGLE INCH, YOU HAVE TO EARN. You can not expect RESPECT, you have to earn
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Can I join? I think I can also score 10/20 occasionally. At least wont do any worse than our Sonar Chele
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Come on guys! why you are willing to waste your valuable time!? why not put those U-19 team if that is the case?
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Yes he is correct. Junaid is a miracle landed in our lap out of nowhere. Don't know how long this will last (See SN). Enjoying the ride anyways.
With current teams performance we need another few miracles to happen.
1) Selectors get in to senses (Will never happen unless a miracle ...) I am ready to see HB in the team for the entire 2008 season. May be he will get a recall in ODIs who knows. Three cheers for the selectors hip!! hip!! ....(why are you guys silent?)
2) Ash's mental lapse while batting (So many years has passed still having mental lapse. Only miraculously that can be fixed)
3) Mash's recovery (coming back to form). When did he have a significance bowling performance in test last time? Didn't he say he needs to learn reverse swing from Malinga last time we toured SL? (need a miracle to get a Mash with fire under his belly) He psychologically knows before hand when we can and can not win a test. Way to go VC. His bowling action with arm tucked in does not help either. Where is his follow through swinging left arm? Injury happens for a reason.
4) SN mediocre will continue unless he thinks 25 is not a good score.
You need more I can keep on typing. Just let me know.
Truth hurts!! That is what frustrated coach just said. Either the players prove him wrong or eat the dust. Time after time if players continue to do the same mistakes (throw away their wickets) what would a coach do? Bat himself?
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Well stated, I agree with JS even though it hurts us a lot.
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February 26, 2008, 10:14 AM
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well said tigers_eye!!!
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its not the point, the coach can't portray that, the players will be disencouraged and it kinda tells them look your sh*t so unless a miracle happens then you'l get beaten. Well wats the point in you lot watching them or supporting them. Thats not right for a coach to say that, especially after they came close to winning. Its not miracle, just a half century by 1 other batsmen!!!!!!!!
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its not the point, the coach can't portray that, the players will be disencouraged and it kinda tells them look your sh*t so unless a miracle happens then you'l get beaten. Well wats the point in you lot watching them or supporting them. Thats not right for a coach to say that, especially after they came close to winning. Its not miracle, just a half century by 1 other batsmen!!!!!!!!
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They didnt come NEAR to winning Squat. The winners in our team were Rajib, Junaid and Rafique Mama. No one else won. Stop crying because you're emotional and hurting.
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February 26, 2008, 10:23 AM
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They didnt come NEAR to winning Squat. The winners in our team were Rajib, Junaid and Rafique Mama. No one else won. Stop crying because you're emotional and hurting.
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Did you see the game????? they won at 205-5!!!!!!! means if we set 260 we stood a brilliant chance to win. Thats close. Grow up, not crying just concerned. You really don't understand much yet your a moderator????
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As much as I believe that Siddons' approach to forming (baring HB) the team, and his plans for the future are the right ones, I must also disagree to his such comment about the incapability of the team....it's disappointing to hear such negative comment about our players even if the statement is true....it makes it harder for the young players to believe in themselves....if his intention is to make the player anger and to motivate them, it may be acceptable, but if he has made the comment for the fans to setup realistic expecations it isn't the professional way to do it....it shouldn't be his job anyway....let the bcb management deal with the problem...
this type of thread to bash him is unnecessary, nontheless....if has done a mistake, let's take a good path of critcism so that even he can learn a thing or to correct himself for the future...
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it's disappointing to hear such negative comment about our players even if the statement is true....it makes it harder for the young players to believe in themselves....if his intention is to make the player anger and to motivate them, it may be acceptable, but if he has made the comment for the fans to setup realistic expecations it isn't the professional way to do it....it shouldn't be his job anyway....let the bcb management deal with the problem...
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possibly. But he has been consistently in the media (including this evening's "Frankly Speaking" on NTV) telling us his thoughts because he's been asked. He's very supportive of the youngsters, he loves his job, and he knows its a tough task. He has consistently blamed the media for putting this sort of pressure on the young guys.
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possibly. But he has been consistently in the media (including this evening's "Frankly Speaking" on NTV) telling us his thoughts because he's been asked. He's very supportive of the youngsters, he loves his job, and he knows its a tough task. He has consistently blamed the media for putting this sort of pressure on the young guys.
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my question still will be: what's the purpose of the statement? was he trying to help the players or to setup people's expecations? or just giving honest answers that you are suggesting...even if it's just for honesty, he still must be careful of any statement that may have possible negative impact of players' mind.....having said that i again still think we must not be too harsh on him with a thread like this at so early stage of his tenure
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I think he is a tough cookie. He is indeed IMO, making players mind to be stronger. He is letting his desire know that he wants to be with this core of players. He is right in sticking with the side and after repeated failures by any individual, he probably would eliminate them. His desire to be sticking with this core players is actually a boost mentally to the players. I really believe, soon we are going to see big scores consistently from a few individuals. I clearly saw some changes towards their approach in batting this time.
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my question still will be: what's the purpose of the statement? was he trying to help the players or to setup people's expecations? or just giving honest answers that you are suggesting...even if it's just for honesty, he still must be careful of any statement that may have possible negative impact of players' mind.....having said that i again still think we must not be too harsh on him with a thread like this at so early stage of his tenure
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What next? What else we expect from Siddon? To pamper the players? Sing lullaby to the players so that they have a good nap? Does he need to change their diapers also?
I can see some fans and media make a big issue out of nothing that will prompt to kick Siddon out of the country like they did to GG. And then we will have another Mohsin Kamal type coach again. And every body will be happy. No body wants to hear the truth that hurts.... Mill Mohobbot e boro kotha... even if its based on a lie.
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Dear FHossain,
No, this is sending a message to the fans and media. Lower your expectation and the truth is we are not yet international standard yet to compete day in day out. Just because SA didn't perform they way they should (1st innings), we had an openning. Read my signature. See how much more I expected from the players. EVEN WITH HB IN THE LINEUP. Look at the the wins we had (ODI). We compete when others can't perform. we win when a miracle happens (Ash's innings). 50 more runs is easy to say, hard to get against those bowlers. We have still a lot more to learn. Be patient it will happen. Let them grow up a little. Try to accept the criticizm.
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Dear FHossain,
No, this is sending a message to the fans and media. Lower your expectation and the truth is we are not yet international standard yet to compete day in day out. Just because SA didn't perform they way they should (1st innings), we had an openning. Read my signature. See how much more I expected from the players. EVEN WITH HB IN THE LINEUP. Look at the the wins we had (ODI). We compete when others can't perform. we win when a miracle happens (Ash's innings). 50 more runs is easy to say, hard to get against those bowlers. We have still a lot more to learn. Be patient it will happen. Let them grow up a little. Try to accept the criticizm.
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T_e, that's what I suspect too. But shouldn't it be someone else's job to manage fans' and medias' expectations? is he taking too much on himself that may have impacts to his real job of coaching?
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