Stuart Law Perfect Solution for Bangladesh Cricket, Why?

[Zeeshan]

shamim mia naki? hit thread! amar craft thredto kulay uthte parche na...

[Avik]

BCB also ran behind Mohsin Kamal & Co wildly. were they wild class? they sent back Bangladesh cricket by 5 years!

[Rabz]

Originally Posted by LBW103
Mark my words "Stuart Law would be the biggest mistake the BCB could make as Head Coach".

He has shown no leadership qualities as a coach, is out of his depth with Sri Lanka and this would be his first job in charge of ANY side (he is interim coach and does not have head coach mandate). There is a reason why Sri Lanka has not appointed him full time head coach.

Disaster waiting to happen... a very poor version of Jamie Siddons.

Stop being a fortune teller, there is no ground on which we should mark your word.

What leadership skills are you talking about that he needs to show as a coach ? Please specify a bit more.
He barely got his hand with the SL team, how come he is out of depth with them ??
Based on that freakish 82 ?? How about the two 400+ innings before and after ?

YES, this might be his first charge of ANY international team if he gets/takes the job, but guess what, if you taking reference for that matter, so was the case of Gary Kirsten with India, not that X = Y, mind you.

I'm not rooting for Law over Barnes or vice versa, all I'm saying is that hold your horses before you jump the fences with typical "gelo gelo shob gelo" rhetoric.

[mar umpire]

Law or Barnes has the benefit of the doubt-whoever is appointed we should give them a chance to prove themselves before we attach any tag to them.

Let's wait and see.

But as Rabz said Law has led to a lot of punny posts.

I don't want shakib to be mendis to be honest(but I can see the analogy in which Mendis had an explosive opening few matches), nor Tamim to be Dilshan. I hope tamim will be better than Dilshan

[mm517]

Incase some of you guys dont know about mendis, Have a look at this videos...

Ajantha Mendis 6 for 117 - Sri Lanka v India 2nd Test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlWR7LR2Eg0

Ajantha Mendis 6-13 in Asia Cup Final vs India
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYehlgqpMSA&NR=1

Ajantha Mendis 8 wickets on test debut (4 in each innings)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2dft...eature=related

[shakibrulz]

Originally Posted by mm517
we all know that shakibs battling is pretty good, and for ODI he is our best bet, But for bowling he has great potentials. Look at Ajantha Mendis ODI Record Bowling:

Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4w 5w 10
52 49 2443 1741 89 6/13 6/13 19.56 4.27 27.4 4 3 0

Average: 19.56
Economy: 4.27
SR: 27.4

Can't bother checking stats but do check his ODI and test stats in the past few years - that is once the players have figured how to play him. And also check Shakib's test and ODI stats in his first few years and now.

Would pick Shakib anyday over him in any format (yes, just as a spinner).

[mm517]

Originally Posted by shakibrulz
Can't bother checking stats but do check his ODI and test stats in the past few years - that is once the players have figured how to play him. And also check Shakib's test and ODI stats in his first few years and now.

Would pick Shakib anyday over him in any format (yes, just as a spinner).

Hmm brother, than you should take away his wickets against zimbabwe and then consider your selection please... can i get his stats excluding zimbabwe?

got this brother:
Most Wickets:
Shakib Al Hasan (http://stats.cricinfo.com/zimvbdesh2...yer/56143.html) 23

(we should respect players and hence also respect the fact mendis is better than shakib, we should not be baised)
But it is great to see shakib playing better this day

and I believe this time around he will add more wickets.

[max410]

why not just take Ian pont he wil be perfect for BD cricket and also specialist coach and we started to win games ever since he came into BD

[mm517]

Originally Posted by max410
why not just take Ian pont he wil be perfect for BD cricket and also specialist coach and we started to win games ever since he came into BD

Its a good thing that you mentioned Ian Pont, But I do not understand few things which he does!

1) why would you resign from the bowling coach, and if you do, i saw in BC thread Ian Mentioning that His got his academy, if he gets chance in IPL and etc then why apply for head coach? If u loved bangladesh cricket, could u not have stayed as bowling coach!

2) I dont understand whether he wants to improve bangladesh cricket or whether the money matters the most. But i can not make a judgement becuase Ian knows himself what he wants.

[shakibrulz]

Originally Posted by mm517
Hmm brother, than you should take away his wickets against zimbabwe and then consider your selection please... can i get his stats excluding zimbabwe?

got this brother:
Most Wickets:
Shakib Al Hasan (http://stats.cricinfo.com/zimvbdesh2...yer/56143.html) 23

(we should respect players and hence also respect the fact mendis is better than shakib, we should not be baised)
But it is great to see shakib playing better this day

and I believe this time around he will add more wickets.

How about you read the post before replying?

Here's the stats for the last 2 years against all teams (that is once he got figured out):

Mendis:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=bowling

Shakib:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=bowling

And he averages 16 against zimbabwe as opposed to Shakib's 25.

[mm517]

Originally Posted by shakibrulz
How about you read the post before replying?

Here's the stats for the last 2 years against all teams (that is once he got figured out):

Mendis:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=bowling

Shakib:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=bowling

And he averages 16 against zimbabwe as opposed to Shakib's 25.

Hmm so Mendis is more effective with Zimbabwe and Shakib is not?

Zimbabwe players find it very hard to play mendis more than shakib. Interesting

Mendis played less matches than shakib!

[shakibrulz]

You said Shakib had better figures because he got a lot of zim wickets. And there goes your argument. I didnt imply anything like that.

Shakib anyday over mendis who's not half as good since his mystery's all gone.

Need more stats?

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[mm517]

Originally Posted by shakibrulz
You said Shakib had better figures because he got a lot of zim wickets. And there goes your argument. I didnt imply anything like that.

Shakib anyday over mendis who's not half as good since his mystery's all gone.

Need more stats?

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Yep, Mendis needs to play more games..

well, lets hope shakib continues...

[Ian Pont]

Originally Posted by mm517
Its a good thing that you mentioned Ian Pont, But I do not understand few things which he does!

1) why would you resign from the bowling coach, and if you do, i saw in BC thread Ian Mentioning that His got his academy, if he gets chance in IPL and etc then why apply for head coach? If u loved bangladesh cricket, could u not have stayed as bowling coach!

2) I dont understand whether he wants to improve bangladesh cricket or whether the money matters the most. But i can not make a judgement becuase Ian knows himself what he wants.

Firstly... you need to get your FACTS STRAIGHT:

1. I did not apply for the Head Coach role. I did not 'resign' from the bowling coach position. I was contracted for 6 months to do a job and I did it (very well I think, too). When the contract ended I had to return to my FULL TIME BUSINESS in the UK. So I could NOT apply for either the head coach or bowling coach role after my contract ended. The only way was if the BCB was going to make it worthwhile financially for me to give up my 18 year business. And I wouldn't expect them to be able to afford that or want to do that.

2. I am always available to work with Bangladesh Cricket. I have a love of Bangladesh Cricket. I said this when I left. Most others coaches just come and take your money then leave. I am happy to stay involved part-time at some level.

I am not looking for a 'job'. I own my own business. I do not seek a head coach role with a country because I have a great business here in the UK. I am not like Stuart Law, Vincent Barnes, Allan Donald or Jamie Siddons. They all NEED a job.

If someone wants me to ditch my business, have me take a gamble on working with a country for a couple of years and have no guarantees about my future - then there would have to be some serious approach, correctly costed.

I really hope this is clear....

[lamisa]

if only we could get ian pont as the head coach....

[Ace of BD]

best thing is he would listen to our suggestions if he would be the coach, anf for the first time, all these discussions done in bc qoulld be useful, regarding team line up and all

[shakibrulz]

Originally Posted by mm517
Yep, Mendis needs to play more games..

well, lets hope shakib continues...

Exactly mendis didn't play as many games hence the flashy average.

And doubt he's gonna play much either since he's not much good now.

[mm517]

Originally Posted by Ian Pont
Firstly... you need to get your FACTS STRAIGHT:

1. I did not apply for the Head Coach role. I did not 'resign' from the bowling coach position. I was contracted for 6 months to do a job and I did it (very well I think, too). When the contract ended I had to return to my FULL TIME BUSINESS in the UK. So I could NOT apply for either the head coach or bowling coach role after my contract ended. The only way was if the BCB was going to make it worthwhile financially for me to give up my 18 year business. And I wouldn't expect them to be able to afford that or want to do that.

2. I am always available to work with Bangladesh Cricket. I have a love of Bangladesh Cricket. I said this when I left. Most others coaches just come and take your money then leave. I am happy to stay involved part-time at some level.

I am not looking for a 'job'. I own my own business. I do not seek a head coach role with a country because I have a great business here in the UK. I am not like Stuart Law, Vincent Barnes, Allan Donald or Jamie Siddons. They all NEED a job.

If someone wants me to ditch my business, have me take a gamble on working with a country for a couple of years and have no guarantees about my future - then there would have to be some serious approach, correctly costed.

I really hope this is clear....

Hmm coach, so u did not apply for the head coach, so what was about the thread on BC saying Ian Pont applied for Head Coach... Am I missing something here, The thread link is here:
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochon...ad.php?t=37305
I am a bit confused, contradiction here, Half of BC members agree that u applied!

please tell me whether the information provided on the thread is wrong, as u say u did not apply for the head coach?

[mm517]

Originally Posted by shakibrulz
Exactly mendis didn't play as many games hence the flashy average.

And doubt he's gonna play much either since he's not much good now.

He looked really promising at the start?

[Ian Pont]

Originally Posted by mm517
Hmm coach, so u did not apply for the head coach, so what was about the thread on BC saying Ian Pont applied for Head Coach... Am I missing something here, The thread link is here:
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochon...ad.php?t=37305
I am a bit confused, contradiction here, Half of BC members agree that u applied!

please tell me whether the information provided on the thread is wrong, as u say u did not apply for the head coach?

Yes the thread is wrong. Completely wrong. But why do you sound so surprised? I read that Lance Kluesener was the BD bowling coach before I came. It was all over the newspapers and the BCB were openly talking about it. It wasn't true, he didn't come.

Threads are created by members who read speculation in the media and make it into a thread. It doesn't mean that it is true.

I couldn't be Head Coach. I already have a thriving business in the UK (read this): http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...ry/508726.html

I could only give that up if the BCB wanted me to apply and if they offered a huge incentive for me to throw away my 18 year business. I cannot see them doing that. I don't need a job and I am not looking for a job. I already have a job. If the BCB wants to head hunt me from this one that is a VERY different matter.....

[WarWolf]

Originally Posted by mm517
Hmm coach, so u did not apply for the head coach, so what was about the thread on BC saying Ian Pont applied for Head Coach... Am I missing something here, The thread link is here:
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochon...ad.php?t=37305
I am a bit confused, contradiction here, Half of BC members agree that u applied!

please tell me whether the information provided on the thread is wrong, as u say u did not apply for the head coach?

Ian knows what he did and what he didn't. How does all the members know that he applied?

[mm517]

Originally Posted by Ian Pont
Yes the thread is wrong. Completely wrong. But why do you sound so surprised? I read that Lance Kluesener was the BD bowling coach before I came. It was all over the newspapers and the BCB were openly talking about it. It wasn't true, he didn't come.

Threads are created by members who read speculation in the media and make it into a thread. It doesn't mean that it is true.

I couldn't be Head Coach. I already have a thriving business in the UK (read this): http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...ry/508726.html

I could only give that up if the BCB wanted me to apply and if they offered a huge incentive for me to throw away my 18 year business. I cannot see them doing that. I don't need a job and I am not looking for a job. I already have a job. If the BCB wants to head hunt me from this one that is a VERY different matter.....

Wooow, should not believe everything, something i have learned today!
Sorry Ian Pont, Sometimes rumours and etc information can give negative thoughts about people... sorry for that
and one more thing, any news on syed rasel?

[shakibrulz]

Originally Posted by mm517
He looked really promising at the start?

Sorry? Who're you talking about?

Mendis did look promising, but all he has is his variations. Once the players figured him out, they played him well. Shakib has both variations (best arm ball in business) and can turn the ball miles.

[LBW103]

Originally Posted by mm517
Wooow, should not believe everything, something i have learned today!
Sorry Ian Pont, Sometimes rumours and etc information can give negative thoughts about people... sorry for that
and one more thing, any news on syed rasel?

The only thing you can believe in any newspaper is the date at the top

[kofeenine]

I have been following this forum for the last 10 months as a guest! Only today, I have registered as an user, since I wish to participate in these conversations. Regarding this thread, nobody can predict anyone's performance just like that. You can't forecast the future performance of Law, Vincent or whoever is the next coach of Bangladesh is, until you follow their performance for a certain amount of time and judge them with the best indicators. Coach performance depends on indicators that might not be applicable for judging a coach in Srilanka, South Africa or any other team, but can be highly applicable in the case of Bangladesh.

I do see a lot of support for Ian Pont over here and I do understand the underlying reasons. With all due respect to Ian, someone's good social networking ability doesn't make him the best of all the choices. Yes, he might be one of the best, but I still believe, not the best in the world. We have got some good results from Ian and I agree to that, but it again necessarily doesn't mean we wont be able to get anyone better than him. Exploration is a good thing and it helps you develop your understanding on various issues. If BCB has the option of exploring, please let them explore! (That doesn't imply Lotus Kamal to announce whatever pops up in his mind) :P

There is nothing to be emotional about coach selection as well. I have seen a lot of people posting that the new coach should be a friend of Bangladesh and care for Bangladesh cricket. How on earth you expect a foreign coach to exclusively care for Bangladesh when we ourself hardly care about the country (referring all the politics around BCB and Bangladesh Cricket)? By stating that, I also don't imply, all of us hate the country.
(I also wonder, how many of us will stick to the ideology when we will get a position in BCB! Following thousands of posts in BC, where random newbie players have been named as the future star of Bangladesh, I don't think most of us will be very successful as a selector or cricket administrator.)

Coaches need to be professional. And there is a significant correlation between professionalism, performance and payment. (if you have doubts, go to google scholar and search for research reports on correlation between the three indicators. Not every scholar in this world who researched on the topic can be wrong) And those who think BCB pays a lot to coaches, you have a huge misunderstanding on payment scale. It might be a huge salary, in terms of Bangladeshi perspective - but remember, for coaches it should be equivalent to international payment. A lot of clubs all around the world pays more than what BCB pays to coaches and let go national teams. So, when you expect a high profile coach, you also need to consider the payment BCB will be able to pay! We simply can't afford everybody (the reason for which Ian has not applied as head coach and BCB will never contact him as a probable head coach). So again, we have to compromise on selection of coaches. And considering all these indicators, we will select a coach. So, let the BCB decide whom to appoint!