Change of action troubling me - Shahadat

[BANFAN]

His older action had no problem I guess. He had all the agression and intentions to be effective in Test matches. He just needed to work on his swings to have a better control, yorkers and improve the quality of his bouncers, to be very effective at the highest level.

Now then he has become busy in changing action, his improvement is not something that we can expect in near future. It's hard if some one has to change his action at this level; without having any trouble. May be he is finished as well.

[Gowza]

do we know why the coach wanted shahadat to change his action? best to do what's comfortable unless the change is going to give significant gains or your current action is likely to cause constant or significant injuries. shahadat's old action was fairly fine imo, just needed to work on his wrist position.

[WarWolf]

I am pretty much unhappy with the output of Ramanayake so far. We have seen no improvement in a single pacer after he came. Why would we want to stick with him? Any valid reason?

[BD-Shardul]

Sack Siddons!!!

[Nadim]

হাঠতে না জানলে উঠান বাকা।

the thing is he will never learn.only can grunt.

[auntu]

Originally Posted by BD-Shardul
Sack Siddons!!!

It's Champaka the bowling coach. JS is doing absolutely super with batsmen.

BTW I know you are joking. lol

[Imteaz]

Is it something for overall team plan?

[BD-Shardul]

Originally Posted by auntu
It's Champaka the bowling coach. JS is doing absolutely super with batsmen.

Batsmen doing well, the credit should go to Khaled Mahmud Sujon

[zainab]

I believe that Khaled Mahmud Sujon is the one who really inspired the players in this away series. He should be retained as assistant coach.

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by BD-Shardul
Batsmen doing well, the credit should go to Khaled Mahmud Sujon

When they play bad they share the blames. So the credit should also go to them and I don't see any technical improvement; just the approach has improved a bit. You can definitely credit Shujon for that.

[t697318]

ok just a question
where the hell is rubel hossain in the series against zimbabwe. obviously syes rasel is a bullshit bowler

[BD-Shardul]

Originally Posted by BANFAN
When they play bad they share the blames. So the credit should also go to them and I don't see any technical improvement; just the approach has improved a bit. You can definitely credit Shujon for that.

Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman

[abu2abu]

Originally Posted by bangladesh_sy
if he has it in his mind that this change will not help him, then it will never help him.

This is spot on. I'm convinced that the problems a bowler faces when tinkering with his action is all in his head.

If a bowler is resistant to change, feels it is being imposed on him and/or can't see the benefit of it, he is less likely to be able to bowl as well.

Rajib sounds like he's making excuses, he needs to develop mental strength. believe in your self, your natural ability and the rest will follow. 90% of the game is palyed in the mind...

[Sovik]

his father is one emotional man. if the change didn't do any good, he should have complained to his bowling coach

[<jaber>]

I remember an article about stuart broad saying that his old bowling coach changed his action to open chested to prevent injuries. But broad felt that it was making him take less wickets so he went back to his old action. It seems like rajib is going through the same thing. He should definitely go back to his old way soon otherwise it could kill him off.

[abz..+]

i hope shadat come back and perform well

[Beamer]

You see less and less fast bowlers these days with classic side on action. It is more stressful on your back and to avoid injuries, more bowlers are switching to open chest action. The incredible amount of cricket being played now a days is partly to blame. Nobody wants to sit out for an extended period of time due to injury. The fierce competition within a team for playing time could actually derail your career if you sit out for a long time. With open chested action, the pace will be sacrificed a bit for better control of your line and length, and more importantly ( depends on how you look at it ), the longevity of a career that everyone seek.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Beamer
You see less and less fast bowlers these days with classic side on action. It is more stressful on your back and to avoid injuries, more bowlers are switching to open chest action. The incredible amount of cricket being played now a days is partly to blame. Nobody wants to sit out for an extended period of time due to injury. The fierce competition within a team for playing time could actually derail your career if you sit out for a long time. With open chested action, the pace will be sacrificed a bit for better control of your line and length, and more importantly ( depends on how you look at it ), the longevity of a career that everyone seek.

shahadat has been virtually injury free his whole career. in fact, he's probably the most injury resistant pace bowler in the world. heck, spinners get hurt more than him (razzak, mendis)!

with the lack of cricket we play - rajib doesnt' play many ODIs, and we play hardly 6 tests a year - he should have stayed with his natural action. especially since that action bought wickets.

[Beamer]

I concur. But, we also play more ODI's than Tests, so not surprised that they prioritized econ over strikability. But, he is overlooked in ODI's anyway, and he should go back to his original action which has done well for him in tests. Like you said, injury was never a concern for him..

[jahidus200]

this definitely true . i was trying to say that to shaddat but i couldnt reach that far . now he understand . remember when he was bowling in test aginst india after the world cup . in the first test he was trouboling almost every indian batsman with his pace and bounnce but when he change his action everythings reduce . he will do lot better if he goes back to his old action .

[Dhakablues]

Any action takes time to re-adjust. Champaka is not in BD to be a failed coach. Whatever he is doing or has done, is and was to improve the bowling attack of Bangladesh team. Even before Champaka's arrival, Shahadat was always known for his inaccurate bowling and leaking runs. Injured or not, actions do have impacts on fast bowlers and Shahadat is not like 30 somethint that he cant change his actions.

Lets not doubt Champaka who was the key to discover and build an attack of Malinga, Ajantha Mendis, Maharuf like fearsome bowlers. Just like Siddons, he will also need time to prove his methodology and development plan. Make no mistake, Shahadat will be back,,,only if he retains his aggression, his passion to take wickets and vengence for the game. That has nothing to do with a modified action!!

[AsifTheManRahman]

Originally Posted by habfreak
Coaches in Bangladesh and sub continent are too conservative.

I can identify with that, having trained under Sarwar Imran and watched how other coaches in Bangladesh operate; and this is true for batting as well. They emphasize too much on the basics. While it is imperative that technical glitches be fixed at an early age, it doesn't hurt to think outside the box and fix only those aspects of one's game that are actually preventing him from performing.

As for side on actions, I've seen/heard of a lot of coaches prefer it over the open chested one, but as you've had different experiences with Gani, et al., I guess it sort of comes down to individual preference, at least in Bangladesh.

The bottom line, though, is that as long as one isn't mixing it up (x% of side on and y% of open chested, where neither x nor y = 0), risks of an injury are pretty low, provided one can sustain the pressure that comes with a side on action. At the end of the day, it's all about whether you want to bowl fast outswingers or slow down, concentrate more on line and length and bowl inswingers. Then again, there are players capable of bowling outswingers with front on actions - Debashish Mohanty comes to mind.

[AsifTheManRahman]

Originally Posted by Dhakablues
Lets not doubt Champaka who was the key to discover and build an attack of Malinga, Ajantha Mendis, Maharuf like fearsome bowlers. Just like Siddons, he will also need time to prove his methodology and development plan.

Exactly. We can only speculate, but none of us here know for sure why he did what he did.

[LateCut]

Can someone post videos of the two actions: hunched vs open-chested? I cannot believe that the action accounts for 10mph reduction of speed. I am wondering if he has a nagging injury which he does not want to admit. However, similar things happens to tennis players a lot when they change the serving style to avoid or alleviate a chronic pain in the arms and shoulders. But the recorded speed drop for Shahadat is too much. Specially, it is not that drastic a change. Why would the speed be affected so much when one bowls with a bit more standup style? If anything, he should get more bounce and movement. What was wrong with his old style to begin with? I saw him at Lords. He seemed to had a fluent runup and delivery. He got whacked a bit because of his lack of control and he was just starting. Furthermore, Malinga is effective with a crunched up bowling style and Champaka did not complain when he had his chances!

[habfreak]

we just don't have the culture to develop true fast bowlers. It's our fans that are the first to criticize a bowler giving it his all and showing some passion for the game. Other than Sangakara no other opponent made a big deal out of Rajib's grunting; but everytime the topic of Rajib comes up atleast 3/4 of our own fans consider it their duty to mention it here. apparently it's annoying to see afast bolwer running in hard and making a grunting noise in an effort to squeeze out the last bit of power behind a delivery.

truth is Rajib is our 2nd best bowler in tests and 3rd best pace bolwer in ODIs...it's in our own interest to not to let him fade away.