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Old April 13, 2018, 08:58 PM
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Who said anything about Liton.. he is either gonna open or play lower order. Tushar isn't expected to do either
Liton was someone I specifically mentioned in my above post along with mominul and Shanto. Tushar would be competing with liton if he wasn’t opening. No way I see tushar taking mushy or shakib or riyads spot although tushar deserves it more than riyad.

But to go into more depth mosaddek averages over 60 so tushar would be competing with him and maybe shanto, don’t think any other youngsters deserve test selection.
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Who said anything about Liton..
That is precisely the problem Rinathq. You must mention his name in every post or else tumi khela bujhona.
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Old April 13, 2018, 09:37 PM
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Liton Liton Liton. ami tin goon khela bhuji.

Seriously, I like Liton.
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Old April 13, 2018, 11:27 PM
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Liton was someone I specifically mentioned in my above post along with mominul and Shanto. Tushar would be competing with liton if he wasn’t opening. No way I see tushar taking mushy or shakib or riyads spot although tushar deserves it more than riyad.

But to go into more depth mosaddek averages over 60 so tushar would be competing with him and maybe shanto, don’t think any other youngsters deserve test selection.
And I also specifically mentioned how Liton is nowhere near Tushar Imrans competitor. Liton came in as a specialist keeper who can bat. His natural batting position is no.2 but he does bat all the way down because of the fatigue/recovery factor from keeping.

Mosaddek didnt even make the BCL squad. So there goes that mention..
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Old April 13, 2018, 11:28 PM
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That is precisely the problem Rinathq. You must mention his name in every post or else tumi khela bujhona.
Ki Liton er jowar asche naki? ami to piche pore gelam... but ami kintu huge Liton fan bhai...
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Old April 14, 2018, 12:00 AM
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And I also specifically mentioned how Liton is nowhere near Tushar Imrans competitor. Liton came in as a specialist keeper who can bat. His natural batting position is no.2 but he does bat all the way down because of the fatigue/recovery factor from keeping.

Mosaddek didnt even make the BCL squad. So there goes that mention..
You’re the one who said ‘who said anything about liton...’

But no sorry that doesn’t explain away the fact liton averages almost 50 and mosaddek almost 65. Liton in tests has batted middle order and so has mosaddek and mosaddek is a middle order specialist so like it or not they are competition.

Both score hundreds regularly and both average more than tushar, mosaddek already has a test half century.

You can’t explain them away that easily.
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Old April 14, 2018, 02:23 AM
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I am actually surprised that Mosaddek didn't make into the XI of any BCL team in this round.
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Old April 14, 2018, 02:29 AM
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Tushar, Liton and Mominul are the top three leading run scorers so far in BCL.
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Old April 14, 2018, 04:49 AM
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Tushar Imran has more FC centuries than AB De Villiers
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Old April 14, 2018, 06:21 AM
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whatever you say guys, i think Tushar imran needs call up for test squad, the guy seems good at playing longer version.
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whatever you say guys, i think Tushar imran needs call up for test squad, the guy seems good at playing longer version.
completely agree. would have been ideal to try him out against Sri Lanka couple of months ago
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Old April 14, 2018, 11:40 AM
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Tushar Imran has been doing well in the first class matches in the past few years.

NCL 2013/14: 2 centuries 4 fifties

NCL 2014/15: 3 centuries 3 fifties

NCL 2016: 3 centuries 1 fifty

BCL 2016/17: 2 centuries 2 fifties

NCL 2017: 1 century 4 fifties

So far in BCL 2018: 4 centuries 1 fifty
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Old April 14, 2018, 01:05 PM
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And I also specifically mentioned how Liton is nowhere near Tushar Imrans competitor. Liton came in as a specialist keeper who can bat. His natural batting position is no.2 but he does bat all the way down because of the fatigue/recovery factor from keeping.

Mosaddek didnt even make the BCL squad. So there goes that mention..
Mosaddek had a back injury. Mominul also didn't play this round. Probably also injured or ill.
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Old April 14, 2018, 01:39 PM
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You’re the one who said ‘who said anything about liton...’

But no sorry that doesn’t explain away the fact liton averages almost 50 and mosaddek almost 65. Liton in tests has batted middle order and so has mosaddek and mosaddek is a middle order specialist so like it or not they are competition.

Both score hundreds regularly and both average more than tushar, mosaddek already has a test half century.

You can’t explain them away that easily.
I am gonna say this again, you are wrong in bringing Liton into this. Liton has a more specialist role in the side and it doesnt collide with Tushar Imrans domestic role at all. Where Mosaddek is concerned, he has a bit of work to do before he can make it back. His recent record in any format doesnt make a good case of his form. Regardless of who is in competition for a nats spot, Tushar Imran should be the first one in that list with the current form he is in
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Old April 14, 2018, 05:31 PM
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I am gonna say this again, you are wrong in bringing Liton into this. Liton has a more specialist role in the side and it doesnt collide with Tushar Imrans domestic role at all. Where Mosaddek is concerned, he has a bit of work to do before he can make it back. His recent record in any format doesnt make a good case of his form. Regardless of who is in competition for a nats spot, Tushar Imran should be the first one in that list with the current form he is in
Sorry but the national selectors disagree with you. I don't want Liton in the middle order, he should open, but the fact is the management of the national team have put him anywhere from 1-7 depending on how they feel and what role they want out of him for that particular innings. No point of arguing this, I'm not the one deciding where Liton bats in the order.

Btw Liton's 3 test half centuries: 94 batting at 5, 70 batting at 6, his other 50 was batting at 7 and guess what those two highest scores? The 94 and 70, came in late 2017 and early 2018. I'd call that middle order, 7 is middle to late order.

He keeps wicket so the selectors probably won't bat him up top unless they take the gloves away from him and if they do that they might want to bring in nurul or another keeper unless they give the gloves back to mushy.

As far as mosaddek he's been around the squads for the last few years, got some matches, tushar hasn't so again obviously the selectors have him higher in the pecking order.

Tushar is competing with both Liton and mosaddek there is no way around unless the selectors change their thinking. Now if Liton was looked at as a specialist bat then maybe tushar wouldn't be competing with him (b cause more than likely they'd open with him) but certainly at the very least while he has the gloves then there isn't another middle order spot available (unless the management is happy opening with liton and letting him keep).

How is tushar going to get past mushy, shakib and riyad, with liton keeping and batting in there somewhere as well? That's already 4 batting spots, only 3 spots available are the top 3 and tamim takes one of those and mominul should have the number 3 spot based on his test record.

So tushar is going to open is he? Or are you suggesting to open with Liton, give mushy the gloves back and play tushar?

I'm happy with liton opening but I don't want mushy keeping and I'm not sure the selectors do either.

Currently the middle order consists of 3 seniors and a keeper, tushar isn't a keeper.

You are right in that Liton keeps whilst tushar doesn't so in that regard they aren't competing but if you agree with that then why are we arguing because there simply isn't a middle order spot available other than the keeper spot atm.
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The thing is there are no middle order spots available. One can be made available by liton moving to opener hence why I say tushar is competing with liton because he has to make liton move to get the spot, but even still for a middle order spot to open up then mushy needs to take the gloves otherwise liton will have to keep as an opener or they replace him with another keeper.

That or drop one of mushy, shakib or riyad to open up a spot (can’t drop mominul, he averages nearly 47 in test cricket).
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Old April 14, 2018, 07:51 PM
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Gowza... you make all the valid points, and if management sticks to the conventional process, then Tushar Imran may never play for nats team ever again. Because the way BCB selection works, its rarely logical hence we had players like Soumya, Shabbir play so many tests and guys like Shanto played 1 game in the toughest condition and then disappeared.

But the argument was whether Tushar Imran deserves a call up. And I firmly believe he does! If it means shuffling guys like Riyad or Shakib down the order then be it. Apart from Mominul and to an extent Mushy, we still dont have a consistent top order batsman in test that can grind it out when required (and that scenario happens very frequently for us)

Tushar Imran has worked hard over the years. For a guy that vanished 10 years ago, he somehow pulled out motivation from thin year and still working on his game. He has worked on fitness (clearly seeing the number of long innings he has been playing), has worked on technique and clearly has the temperament required for a test batsman. After him, we may not find a batsman in our system that has both the consistency and work ethic as his. So if BCB really understands the game, then they should focus on using him right away. Nasir was included recently on what looked like a crowded middle order. So if they can make space for Nasir, they can make space for Tushar Imran.

But again, it all comes down to the management
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Tushar does deserve it, so do others, but I can’t see how a middle order spot opens up without giving mushy the gloves or making liton keep and open (pretty rare, basically never happens except for one-offs).
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I can actually make room for all three, Tushar-Ash-Razzaq
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Old April 14, 2018, 08:43 PM
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Riyad could make way, but they surely won’t drop him.

Ash has done nothing in FC cricket to be selected at this point in time.

Razzak can take miraz’s place.
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Old April 15, 2018, 07:54 AM
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Gowza... you make all the valid points, and if management sticks to the conventional process, then Tushar Imran may never play for nats team ever again. Because the way BCB selection works, its rarely logical hence we had players like Soumya, Shabbir play so many tests and guys like Shanto played 1 game in the toughest condition and then disappeared.

But the argument was whether Tushar Imran deserves a call up. And I firmly believe he does! If it means shuffling guys like Riyad or Shakib down the order then be it. Apart from Mominul and to an extent Mushy, we still dont have a consistent top order batsman in test that can grind it out when required (and that scenario happens very frequently for us)

Tushar Imran has worked hard over the years. For a guy that vanished 10 years ago, he somehow pulled out motivation from thin year and still working on his game. He has worked on fitness (clearly seeing the number of long innings he has been playing), has worked on technique and clearly has the temperament required for a test batsman. After him, we may not find a batsman in our system that has both the consistency and work ethic as his. So if BCB really understands the game, then they should focus on using him right away. Nasir was included recently on what looked like a crowded middle order. So if they can make space for Nasir, they can make space for Tushar Imran.

But again, it all comes down to the management
Tushar Imran is probably like Graeme Hick. Very good in domestics but not talented enough for international cricket. Even while playing all those years ago, he use to kill it during the warm ups and then flop during the actual matches. Maybe he has improved after all these years but if i had to put my money, i would bet against him. The biggest revelation of the gap between BCL and international cricket was exemplified by Nasir last time. He scored a mountain of runs in domestics but looked absolutely pathetic in the international games. Once again i think the best option is to send him and Ash to the A team tour. Lets see what they can do outside the country.
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Tushar Imran is probably like Graeme Hick. Very good in domestics but not talented enough for international cricket. Even while playing all those years ago, he use to kill it during the warm ups and then flop during the actual matches. Maybe he has improved after all these years but if i had to put my money, i would bet against him. The biggest revelation of the gap between BCL and international cricket was exemplified by Nasir last time. He scored a mountain of runs in domestics but looked absolutely pathetic in the international games. Once again i think the best option is to send him and Ash to the A team tour. Lets see what they can do outside the country.
You are right, there are few A games coming up this year. The domestic performers can be tested there. There is some time before Bangladesh's next series. On a side note, if players like Naeem and Tushar are not picked in the A tour games then it will be clear that they are not in the plan of the selectors.
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Yes, Riad/Imrul. Soummya/Shabbir probably has done a lot right? Not Miraz but Taijul/Rubel.
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Tushar Imran is 35 years old. Its simply too late to invest in bringing a player with that age back when there much younger much more talented batters in the pipeline.

We have plenty of youngsters with WAY more upside. Mosaddek is the first name on the list and rightfully so. Shanto is very close. Nurul has been knocking on the door. Liton is already in the side. Not to mention selectors still love Imrul and Sabbir and Soumya.

Here is a list of some guys who at least have age on their side over Tushar:

Aftab
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Nafees Iqbal
Naeem Islam
Alok Kapali
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Junaid Siddiquee
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