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Batsman's game. They should get the advantage every inch they can over the bowlers 0 0%
Mankad'ing should be banned. Runner should stand in the middle of the crease. 0 0%
Umpires fault. They should have made it a "dead ball" 1 11.11%
Warn 1st time even if it 5 over a match. 2nd time is legal. 3 33.33%
Go suck eggs. No rules have been broken. Move on. 5 55.56%
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Old March 25, 2019, 04:08 PM
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It has happened before, it will happen again till the rule of the game changes. What is your opinion on this? Explain!!!!

Ashwin did it to Butler. RR was cruising at 108/1 then after Ashwin getting Butler, they lost 8 wickets in 62 runs and lost the game. Momentum shifter for Punjab.
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Old March 25, 2019, 05:18 PM
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Old March 25, 2019, 05:55 PM
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Those pesky non strikers need to stay in their crease.
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Old March 26, 2019, 12:59 AM
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Its there in the rule book and we have to accept it.

However, I am yet to watch the video of how Ashwin did it. The act of mankading itself is not unsporting or against the spirit of cricket in my opinion, but depending on the circumstance or how the bowlers approaches it and does the deed, it can be unsporting, uncouth, and against the spirit of cricket.

In the case of Mohammad Rafique, had he done it, it would be completely within the spirit of cricket.

As for R Ashwin, I do not like how he carries himself as a player. He is OBNOXIOUS, and his obnoxiousness level is close to that of Sreeshant.

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The question here, though, was whether Buttler would have been inside his crease had Ashwin not stopped at the point of delivery. The updated law 41.16 says: "If the non-striker is out of his/her ground from the moment the ball comes into play to the instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball, the bowler is permitted to attempt to run him/her out."

The wording "expected to release the ball" leaves room for subjectivity, which is where Ashwin's assertion that he hadn't even loaded becomes critical. If the bowler hadn't even loaded, as Ashwin said, is it possible to estimate a time when he was "expected to release the ball"?
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Old March 26, 2019, 01:06 AM
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Twitter is divided. Indians taking side of Ashwin. Non-Indians taking side of Butler.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-new...what-im-seeing

Another discussion:

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-new...ankading-right

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Sudarshanan S: Perhaps mankading is good if it prevents the batter from having an undue advantage due to her/him taking a start much before the bowler completes his stride.

But the main question is: was Jos Buttler taking undue advantage by backing up too far? Was he trying to go for a run before the bowler completed his run-up? More importantly, was the 'Spirit of the Game' upheld by that mode of dismissal? No for all, in my opinion. And importantly, perhaps Ashwin wouldn't have done that had it been someone other than a Buttler on 69.

I am not for this kind of thing. Ashwin was wrong because I felt Buttler wasn't really out of the crease when the former was loading up to bowl. It's after he paused, that, due to the momentum, Buttler went ahead. So although technically this thing falls under rule 41.16 of the Law, a closer look would tell us otherwise.

Does the batter wandering out of the crease after the time by which the bowler ought to have released the ball amount to backing up for a run? Not sure it does.
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It's within the rules and part of the game. Both players are senior enough to know.
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Old March 26, 2019, 03:21 AM
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i'm all for it. it's within the rules so whats the big deal? Some might say it goes against the spirit of the game, but so does leaving your crease.
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Old March 26, 2019, 03:49 AM
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The controversy is coming because motives are being questioned here.

The rule says the bowlers can mankad the non striker between the moment the ball comes into play and the instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball (in other words, the bowler is loaded and about to release the ball).

Butler thought Ashwin was loaded and reached the moment of release and thus came out of his crease.

Ashwin is claiming that he was not loaded to release the ball, and thus mankad was not premeditated, but rather instinctive.

Umpire saw batsmen out during mankad. He is not there to question the motive of a bowler, and thus went with the letter of the law, legally ruled it OUT.

As for Butler or any non striking batsman, DO NOT come out of your crease until the ball has been released from the hand. Your judgment of bowler being loaded may not match with that of the umpire or the bowler, so be safe.

The Rajasthan coach gave the concluding remark - no point judging the motive of Ashwin, fans and the cricket world will decide for themselves:

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“I think R Ashwin’s actions tonight speak for him and represent him. When I looked in the eyes of his teammates I’m not sure if it represented his teammates,” Upton said after the game. “I think we’ll leave it up to the IPL fans to decide if that’s the kind of thing they want to see and we’ll leave it up to the cricket world to judge Ashwin’s actions tonight.”
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Old March 26, 2019, 04:24 AM
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I still don't understand why people cries over this. Bowler has no obligation to warn the batsmen. Batsmen took the risk of getting out of the crease, bowler took the bails out. Fair game if you ask me. Everyone pointing their fingers at Ashwin should also point their fingers at Buttler for trying to steal a run by unfair advantage. Change the rule, problem solved. Don't change the rule, don't make it hard for the players to implement the rules by shaming them.
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Watched the video, Ashwin had no intention of bowling that delivery. From the point of his delivery stride to him landing after his jump Buttler's bat was still within the crease.

Ashwin purposely stopped after going through his full bowling action without releasing the delivery and waited for Buttler to drag his bat out, preying on his instinct/reflex, and then dislodged the bails
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In Football or basketball it would called as trick play if the intention of Ashwin was getting Butler out. I love trick plays. A "W' that matters at the end. Ashwin should have done it in WC game. Now the cat is out of bag. They will be well prepared.
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It’s like going after your friend’s sister.

It’s not against the rules, but it’s against the rules.
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Watched the video, Ashwin had no intention of bowling that delivery. From the point of his delivery stride to him landing after his jump Buttler's bat was still within the crease.

Ashwin purposely stopped after going through his full bowling action without releasing the delivery and waited for Buttler to drag his bat out, preying on his instinct/reflex, and then dislodged the bails
yes..this is why all the controversy is coming
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Old March 27, 2019, 04:08 AM
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Ashwin is a blatant sore loser.. That was the only he could stop Buttler.. Buttler was well within the crease when he was into his delivery stride. What's worse is that he goes on to blatantly lie about it being instinctive.. more premeditated than Tamim coming down the wicket.
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Old March 27, 2019, 04:11 AM
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Non-strikers need to take care of this. Not everyone is going to give you a warning every time!
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Old March 27, 2019, 04:17 AM
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Watched the video, Ashwin had no intention of bowling that delivery. From the point of his delivery stride to him landing after his jump Buttler's bat was still within the crease.

Ashwin purposely stopped after going through his full bowling action without releasing the delivery and waited for Buttler to drag his bat out, preying on his instinct/reflex, and then dislodged the bails
Buttler should have been looking at the bowler, I heard this is not the first time he got mankaded
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It’s like going after your friend’s sister.

It’s not against the rules, but it’s against the rules.
Lol .. not a bad analogy . Tempting always
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It’s like going after your friend’s sister.

It’s not against the rules, but it’s against the rules.
Depends on how close you are to the friend, lol.

But yeah, the mankad is possibly the cheapest play in all of sports. Especially if its a crucial wicket. Mankading a #11 is a non issue but if its a top batter who's well set in a close game, its pretty damn cheap. Spectators want to see a proper contest between bat and ball, not subterfuge tactics.
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Lol .. not a bad analogy . Tempting always
Don't do it bro, :p
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Expert says Ashwin's pause was not within the spirit of game:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/...it-cricket-mcc
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BTW, (poetic) justice served to Ashwin the next match

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Russell had actually been bowled by an outstanding Mohammed Shami yorker at what should have been the end of the 17th over. He had been on 3 off 5 balls at the time. Knight Riders would have been 163 for 3 with three overs to go.

Russell's leg stump was pegged back, and he was walking off the ground when… hang on… the umpires realised something was amiss. A no-ball was signalled. Not because Shami had overstepped. Not because the ball was over waist-high. The no-ball was for something far more avoidable.

Only three Kings XI fielders had been inside the 30-yard circle at the time of delivery. The visitors' celebrations were cut short. Shami was seen in conversation with David Miller. Captain R Ashwin was seen ranting in anger in the general direction of the universe.

Dre Russ comes back, takes a single to keep the strike, then next over, top-edges a six, bludgeons a four to deep midwicket, top-edges a four, and monsters another one over the deep midwicket boundary. To add insult to Shami's injury he then bludgeons three consecutive sixes off Shami's next over (the 19th of the innings), and drills a four through wide long-off as well. Following that reprieve, Russell plunders 45 off 12 deliveries. Kings XI might have had a manageable target, if not for that.
Thanks DreRuss. Only players like DreRuss can give obnoxious players like Ashwin the type of hammering he needs.

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Sid Monga - a great writer otherwise - is apologizing for Ashwin. No surprise BTW.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/...ubstitute-laws
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