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Old March 11, 2015, 12:21 AM
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It has, indeed. Mortaza, Rubel and Taskin aren’t quite Mohammed Shami, Umesh Yadav and Mohit Sharma yet, but their role in their country’s progress to the last eight is no less significant than the Indian trio’s. No one will be taking Bangladesh’s pacers lightly anymore.


Can someone tell me, in what terms exactly Shami, Yadav and Mohit are better?
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Old March 11, 2015, 12:31 AM
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It has, indeed. Mortaza, Rubel and Taskin aren’t quite Mohammed Shami, Umesh Yadav and Mohit Sharma yet, but their role in their country’s progress to the last eight is no less significant than the Indian trio’s. No one will be taking Bangladesh’s pacers lightly anymore.


Can someone tell me, in what terms exactly Shami, Yadav and Mohit are better?
Simple... The article is written by an Indian.
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Old March 11, 2015, 01:46 AM
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Can someone tell me, in what terms exactly Shami, Yadav and Mohit are better?
Considering they have Gayle, AB and other big hitters in their group and the highest personal score they gave up so far is a 75 to Misbah, and total of 260. I'd say in many terms those bowlers are bowling better than ours and many others in this WC. Our guys have had it pretty easy so far and lucky enough to to face Warner/Maxwell.
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Old March 11, 2015, 07:22 AM
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It has, indeed. Mortaza, Rubel and Taskin aren’t quite Mohammed Shami, Umesh Yadav and Mohit Sharma yet, but their role in their country’s progress to the last eight is no less significant than the Indian trio’s. No one will be taking Bangladesh’s pacers lightly anymore.


Can someone tell me, in what terms exactly Shami, Yadav and Mohit are better?
Could be because they have taken all the opposition wickets in all their matches. BD haven't.
Also sami was highest wicket taker of 2014.
Why do you think BD bowlers are better?
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Old March 11, 2015, 09:13 AM
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hmmmm....lets see:

Mashrafe 189 wickets 30.50 ave
Shami .....84 wickets 24.54 ave


Rubel......75 ..........32.46
Yadav......56 ..........35.01


Taskin.....13 ..........22.76
Mohit......17 ..........32.94


Bangladeshi fast bowlers are younger, has more wickets and better average. Hope this help.
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Old March 11, 2015, 10:33 AM
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Can someone tell me, in what terms exactly Shami, Yadav and Mohit are better?
They went 89/0 against Scotland. Much higher than what BD had. Higher is better.
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Old March 11, 2015, 12:54 PM
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hmmmm....lets see:

Mashrafe 189 wickets 30.50 ave
Shami .....84 wickets 24.54 ave


Rubel......75 ..........32.46
Yadav......56 ..........35.01


Taskin.....13 ..........22.76
Mohit......17 ..........32.94


Bangladeshi fast bowlers are younger, has more wickets and better average. Hope this help.
I suppose you have ignored the quality of opposition. Against top 8 teams :-

Mashrafe - Avg 40.45

Rubel - Avg - 34.19
taskin - 25.30 // really good but sample size is 6 matches

According to stats BD bowlers are better than India right now.
Lets hope taskin doesn't become another mashrafe after 100 matches.

On current form though i would choose Ind bowlers over BD if my life depended on it.
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Old March 11, 2015, 12:57 PM
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They went 89/0 against Scotland. Much higher than what BD had. Higher is better.
In that case also Bd surpasses. after 50 overs ,
scotland - 318/8
Ireland - 260/10

Higher is better!!!
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Old March 11, 2015, 01:00 PM
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Higher is better!!!
Only when I say it.
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Old March 11, 2015, 03:13 PM
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I suppose you have ignored the quality of opposition. Against top 8 teams :-

Mashrafe - Avg 40.45
Ah! The elitist, I see! An Indian by any chance?

The one legged Mashrafe is still better than anything you might have.
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Old March 11, 2015, 08:31 PM
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I suppose you have ignored the quality of opposition. Against top 8 teams :-

Mashrafe - Avg 40.45

Rubel - Avg - 34.19
taskin - 25.30 // really good but sample size is 6 matches

According to stats BD bowlers are better than India right now.
Lets hope taskin doesn't become another mashrafe after 100 matches.

On current form though i would choose Ind bowlers over BD if my life depended on it.
Top teams also play against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Ireland, and other lower teams.
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Old March 11, 2015, 08:32 PM
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The one legged Mashrafe is still better than anything you might have.
Wow!! Such great analysis backed by solid stats!
But I understand. Its the hubris talking. The hubris from the win against England.

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Ah! The elitist, I see! An Indian by any chance?
Pray, tell me, O Wise one, how my nationality is related to mashrafe's performance against the top 8 teams?

Say, I am a citizen of Uganda, will that change when I see the stats??
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Old March 11, 2015, 08:44 PM
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Duke is tortured genius Van go,....
Though I don't possess an iota of his creativity but I can try to cut my ear off like him.

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Old March 11, 2015, 10:34 PM
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It has, indeed. Mortaza, Rubel and Taskin aren’t quite Mohammed Shami, Umesh Yadav and Mohit Sharma yet, but their role in their country’s progress to the last eight is no less significant than the Indian trio’s. No one will be taking Bangladesh’s pacers lightly anymore.


Can someone tell me, in what terms exactly Shami, Yadav and Mohit are better?
simple every team failed to play full 50 over so far

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Old March 12, 2015, 01:36 AM
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Wow!! Such great analysis backed by solid stats!
But I understand. Its the hubris talking. The hubris from the win against England.


You first asked to be enlightened as to how BD pacers are better than India and when you're guided to the shore you cry "hubris". How pathetic is that! Bangladesh have won many a game against the higher ranked sides before. Have you already forgotten the 2007 CWC match?

The fact that in their almost 100 years history of Test cricket India have only produced just THREE quality pacers Kapil, Srinath and Zaheer tells you the pathetic state of affairs when it comes to the discussion of "Indian pace" bowling. AFG, IRE or BERMUDA have produced better in comparison. Now, you have a Shami picked up a few wickets and you jump up and down. That's not only hubris...its comical.

How many matches Mashrafe or Rubel have played outside the subcontinent?? They bowl on our roads and still a one legged Mash and Rubel bowls much better than most Indian pacers. Stop hating and be humble. No need to conjure up things like "Viv might have had some weakness like Virat" in desperation.

If you must, go and check CI comment pages before the CWC started where I stated that Bangladesh probably has the best pace attack out of SC teams. Long before the England match!
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Old March 12, 2015, 02:41 AM
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You first asked to be enlightened as to how BD pacers are better than India and when you're guided to the shore you cry "hubris". How pathetic is that!
Guided to the shore?? I pointed that mashrafe's stats are avg against top teams. All you did was deflect the question and question my nationality.

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Bangladesh have won many a game against the higher ranked sides before. Have you already forgotten the 2007 CWC match?
On one hand you say many a game and on the other you remind me of a game that was 8 years ago!!

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Now, you have a Shami picked up a few wickets and you jump up and down. That's not only hubris...its comical.
I am not jumping up and down. All my posts tend to be balanced. Yours on the other hand are full of hyperbole. If an outsider reads your posts they would think BD is the world champion right now.

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It applies to you. . I have never hated any team. Nor I have engaged in hyperbole before any match like you do. Aren't YOU asking me whether I have forgotten 2007 match? Am I asking you whether you remember any particular match? Says a lot about humbleness,doesn't it?

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No need to conjure up things like "Viv might have had some weakness like Virat" in desperation.
When did I say anything of that sort? I have never said it.

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If you must, go and check CI comment pages before the CWC started where I stated that Bangladesh probably has the best pace attack out of SC teams. Long before the England match!
Another great piece of analysis by you.

BD pace attack better than Pak??? I can write " what are you smoking" but then no recreational drugs can cause this amount of hallucination. Why stop at Pak. Lets just say that BD better than Aus,Nz too.

Last time I had a debate with you, you threw statements you couldn't back up and this time is its no different. You deflect questions by insulting. Having a straight talking conversation with you is an exercise in futility.

Lets just agree to disagree. You say BD fast bowlers are the best in sub continent. I don't believe that. And I don't possess as much cricketing knowledge as you do. So lets just leave it at that.
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Old March 12, 2015, 04:22 AM
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BD pacers might be better but we have not faced strong sides and the only one we did (Sri Lanka) we did not do too well. Lets hold our judgements till we face NZ. Indian bowlers however have faced SA, Pak and WI and performed very well.
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Old March 12, 2015, 05:47 AM
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Indian pacers may be better than ours, even Pakistan's. All the teams that have played India have been bowled out this cup
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Old March 12, 2015, 06:40 AM
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but fans like you and those think that Virat Kohli and Viv Richards are even similar give Indians a bad name.
Again, I have never compared Kohli to Sir Viv . You have brought this up twice yet fail to provide any link of me comparing them.

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In your dire desperation, you need to make Mashrafe look average so that your guy Yadav or whoever looks world class??
I have never said Yadav is world class. Infact I find that any bowler whose avg is > 30, its very difficult to regard as world class.

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If Mash didn't have those 4 knee operations he would have surpass all your great "pace" bowlers long time ago
Ah! , the "IF" land, where everything is possible. What a wonderful place it is! Do you know that I could have surpassed Don Bradman IF i played cricket.

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And, talking about hyperbole and what not
You don't understand what hyperbole means,do you? Let me quote your post for an example

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Even with no legs Mashrafe can still bowl at 140k -most Indian pacers can only dream of.
No he won't. Without legs , he can't walk, let alone bowl.

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This is how you answer a post. You quote points you disagree and then provide explanation backed by facts.
But hey why do that when we can deflect questions with insults and write spiel completely unrelated to the topic?
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Old March 12, 2015, 06:46 AM
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Looking at current indian bowling shami looks better bowler but over all bangladesh pace attack is more threatening then indian bowlers, its only their batsman who favore their mediocre bowlers by doing the runs. And i am no cricket pundit thta's what i see form the decades of indian bowlings and batting. They always have better spinners.
I think when the conversation started , it was about current form.

I also believe that right now BD has better spin bowlers than India bcz BD bowlers flight the ball. Even the new spinners of BD are not afraid to flight the ball.
Whereas in the case of India, their bowlers always bowl darts. Maybe they play too much t-20. They got a new bowler, Patel, he also bowls darts. Only bowler they had in recent times to give a good flight was mishra.
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Indian bowling looked very toothless during the Aus tests and then tri-series. They were very poor. But in the WC all of a sudden they have shifted the gear and now seems very threatening. I think they have adjusted to the situation very well. Also, Indian seamers feel more confident to be aggressive (fuller deliveries, lot of slip fielders) knowing their batters can score 300+ while batting first or chasing. So few boundaries or bad overs doesn't panic them.

Our bowling have entered a new dynamic with the trio of Mash-Rubel-Taskin. We have had both good days (Afg,Eng) and bad days (SL,Scot). So while our bowling might have more edge, the Indian bowlers are more consistent.
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Like as if Shami Yadva Mohit are world beaters . what a mostly, over-hyped up nation of fans they are.

just cause, Shami Yadav Mohit done few tidy games (couple with associates) they are better than Steyn Morkel Philander? or that calibre ?
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Who's replacing Mashrafee? He won't be playing today according to the news. Is Shafiul coming up against New Zealand today?
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